US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by vienna

I do agree with Robertson that the GOP would be better off if Trump didn't try to run in 2024; and, I also agree about Haley: I said Trump would have been better off having Haley as a running mate instead of Pence, and I actually thought Haley would have made a better candidate for the GOP in 2016 instead of Trump...


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I'll say it right now, if my fellow conservatives buy into Trump again in 2023 and make him the nominee over better Republicans, I will vote for anyone on the dem ticket.

Fair warning, friends, don't do it.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I think the question here is:

Is there an American politician who are fit for the White House ?

Markus

I think Dan Crenshaw is the one to watch for and I think he'd win. The ladies love him...

[bstanko6]

Oh Neal...

You’ve lost your Christmas spirit!

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by bstanko6

Oh Neal...

You’ve lost your Christmas spirit!

I thought the exorcism was January 20th?

Ba-dum Tishhh.......

[August]

Originally Posted by Armistead

I think Dan Crenshaw is the one to watch for and I think he'd win. The ladies love him...

I think that's a pretty astute observation. I've listened to a lot of his interviews like the one with Joe Rogan and he comes across as extremely smart and level headed. I could vote for him.

[Buddahaid]

On Waco.

1:16:51
https://www.c-span.org/video/?66289-...n-day-1-part-2

[bstanko6]

Oh Buddahaid...

I will not be getting you a hammer and sickle for Christmas!

[Buddahaid]

It's alright Comrade, I'll have another drink of Vodka to celebrate.

[August]

At Waco it was stupid to confront those people they way they did. It just confirmed the Branch Davidians paranoia. It didn't have to be like that. They could have picked Koresh up without a fuss when he went on one of his numerous trips to town but instead they opted for a rather foolhardy frontal assault that started the entire tragic seige. Just like at Ruby Ridge or the Elián González fiasco, the feds tend to hit with an overly big hammer and it seems to be more about displaying power than resolving a situation.

[Buddahaid]

You're right, but it took both sides acting in a black and white attitude for Waco to have happened.

It's clear to me that David Koresh was priming his following for a showdown, yes as corny as that sounds, a showdown with the FBI in the early nineties.

That, in itself, doesn't excuse the FBI for having over reacted, but it does show that the story isn't really all that black and white.

By the way, I'm still searching for Biden's roll in this matter. Please point me to it.

[Skybird]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/this-c...aid?ref=scroll

Saying this myself since long time, too. Did not had Jonestown on mind, but the parrallels to sectarian cults in general are stunning. Doesn'T take to be a psychologist to see that. Everybody with open eyes can see it.

Descend into madness - the former Republican party. Now a gang of radicalised Trumpers, and accomplices in conspiracy and crime.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...s-mind/617446/

"Toxic narcissism" - good characterisation, though it does the brutal consequences no justice.

[mapuc]

Before bedtime I watched about 30 min CNN.

What I saw made me a little nervous. Said to myself CNN is very biased when it comes to Trump. So hopefully most of it is exaggerated.

It was something with Mr Trump had gone mad and he and his stab was sitting and make ideas on how to remain in charge.

Markus

[Mr Quatro]

It's not over till the democrats say the rich have to pay the stimulus back

Democrats will try to approve $2000 direct checks Thursday

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...?ocid=BingNews

House Democrats will bring forward a bill to provide direct checks of $2,000 to individuals on Thursday, after President Trump called on Congress to amend a newly passed coronavirus relief bill to increase direct payments to $2,000, with $4,000 for a couple. Speaker Nancy Pelosi said the House will try to pass the bill by unanimous consent — meaning that only one Republican member opposing the proposal needs to be present in order to block the bill.
Mr. Trump said in a video posted to Twitter on Tuesday that he would not sign the $900 billion relief package passed by both houses of Congress on Monday.

Okay with me, but if even one republican in the house disagrees it won't pass

[bstanko6]

That’s ok... Steiner will ensure a republican senate.

::waves hand::

[August]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

You're right, but it took both sides acting in a black and white attitude for Waco to have happened.

It's clear to me that David Koresh was priming his following for a showdown, yes as corny as that sounds, a showdown with the FBI in the early nineties.

That, in itself, doesn't excuse the FBI for having over reacted, but it does show that the story isn't really all that black and white.

By the way, I'm still searching for Biden's roll in this matter. Please point me to it.

As I remember he was on the Judiciary committee whose investigation into the Waco incident essentially exonerated the government of wrongdoing. I haven't really been following that segment of the political theater that closely so I may be wrong.

And you are right about Koresh but the government chooses how to handle such individuals and I expect them not to sent swat or snipers (in the case of Ruby Ridge) unless all less violent means of arresting them have been exhausted. Too often the predawn military style raid is their first choice and that has to change.