US Politics Thread 2021-24

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Skybird, how in the hell did you come across that? I’m not sure what’s scariest, the kook on YouTube claiming to have special insights or the kook who takes him seriously. Both are pretty damn far out there somewhere.

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Catfish

So this is all the immigrants' fault?
I don't think so, I think just of all big business needs a cheap workforce and to hell with regulations. Same here b.t.w..
The laws are there but they are not followed.

Yes it is. (if they self deport there wouldn't be a need for ICE raids)The U.S. doesn't have a problem with immigrants coming here, we have a problem with ILLEGAL immigrants coming here. The Federal Gov. has what is known as E-verify however it's use is hit and miss, only about 1/2 the states use it, but a lot of them limits it's use to certain sectors of the marketplace, the Feds do require it's use for any company that does business with the Federal Government, and yes most of us would like it to be mandatory for all sectors.

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Skybird, how in the hell did you come across that? I’m not sure what’s scariest, the kook on YouTube claiming to have special insights or the kook who takes him seriously. Both are pretty damn far out there somewhere.

You forget, you can find anything on the internet no matter how eccentric. Even Flatearthers.

[Otto Harkaman]

Originally Posted by Catfish

So this is all the immigrants' fault?
I don't think so, I think just of all big business needs a cheap workforce and to hell with regulations. Same here b.t.w..
The laws are there but they are not followed.

You didn't watch the whole video because Cash Jordan NYC goes deeply into the fault of business hiring illegals, but he also goes into how these people are getting ID's to work at larger business that don't know they are illegal. Its not just the illegals it is the criminal network supporting them, with lots of organized crime.

[Gorpet]

Originally Posted by Ostfriese

Right now, the US has/had a welfare program for its own farmers and the the Funds were distributed by USAID.

Fixed that for you, and I'll even include a source (Chattanooga Times Free Press, but it's originally a USA Today article):

https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/...armers-hit-by/

Whoopsie.

Like with the Ukraine aids - most of which was money that never went to Ukraine but was instead used to by American stuff, subsiding American jobs and hard American work.

Whoopsie.

At the same time the real waste continues:



That's $200 million tax payers' money wasted.
Simply revoking the Starship HLS contract (which has abysmally failed to achieve even its first milestone, let alone being anywhere close to being on schedule) would likely have saved the American taxpayers more than all the cuts DOGE has actually achieved (if you take out all the mistakes they made, like counting $8 million a s §8 billion).

Well done

That's a great picture, How about, the Space Shuttles ? could you put those pictures up to? And how many millions of dollars and lives did that cost ? By the way, NASA was in charge overseen by an appointed Bureaucrats. And the Space Shuttle program worked so good.That Astronauts said I'm not getting in that thing. And the bureaucrats cancelled it. And The Government of the United States.Payed the Russian Federation Millions of dollars per Astronaut. Because the greatest Democracy on this planet had no way to get it's people into space.And that is a fact. So what is your problem ?

Oh,USAID i missed that. And what you are saying is because of Democrat policies the American farmer was forced into a welfare program distributed by USAID. And if they didn't bend the knee ? Well that is going to change and American farmers can supply our country with fresh vegetables,pigs,beef and our favorite chickens! again.And they will be able to buy the farm equipment they need.Is that a problem for you ?

Oh by the way, I was a long haul truck driver, I have driven, The States from the South to the North and across the Midwest up into the Snowy mountains of Colorado and beyond.So if you want to beat on Donald Trump. You will get resistance.

[Commander Wallace]

I'm very surprised this has never come up in this thread. I wanted to see if anyone made this connection by our American members.

For years, the Democrats have declared war on those Americans that possess weapons. I don't have the numbers but I think it's reasonable to assume that Democrats, Republicans and Independents all possess and maintain weapons and perhaps carry them. I have seen statistics where not only Gun ownership is up but also applications for Concealed Weapons carry Permits.

https://crimeresearch.org/2023/11/co...d-states-2023/

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-pre...ate-rcna126037



On April 6th, 2008, Barrack Obama made the following comment.

“And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are going to regenerate and they have not,” he said. “And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/oba...-still-nags-me


Needless to say, the Democrats have tried for decades to disarm the American People and public.

The 2nd part of this is the Democrats were behind movements to defund and disband various Police departments. Presidential candidate Kamala Harris was at the forefront of this movement to defund Police. Pro Democrat network CNN has reported on this movement spearheaded by Kamala Harris and other radicals. Now these Idiots in various cities who are Officials are beginning to acknowledge the actions to defund Police were stupid and ill conceived in the face of Lawlessness.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/26/polit...020/index.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...lice-rcna14796


The 3rd part of all this is the Democrats left the Southern Border open to Drug Cartels and heavily armed invaders from Mexico and other places. If The Democrats had been successful in defunding the various Police Departments and eliminated the protection they provide and disarmed the American People, we would have been virtually defenseless in defending ourselves in the face of armed Invaders. These three events in relatively close succession are not merely a coincidence.

This was a concerted effort by the Democrats to literally destroy this Country and leave it's Citizens defenseless and open to attack. How could any rational person believe this is just a coincidence or Happenstance ?

The Democrats really must hate their Country. These actions, in concert together can't possibly be interpreted as anything but Intentional. Even today, various Sanctuary Cities will not enforce Criminal laws that are regularly enforced on our own Citizens.

I firmly believe that any efforts to disarm the American people through Legislative action would have led to a Civil War. These actions to disarm the American people would have been unenforceable and it's highly questionable that Police departments would be part of any disarming action.

When people in various Countries who are having similar Issues with Migrant invaders, complain about our Policies, they are deluded, badly misinformed and don't understand or have a firm grasp of the dynamics of our situations not to mention the History of the Democratic Party. The People and Citizens of the U.S understand these dynamics all too well. This is just a sample of the Democratic party's actions and demonstrates clearly how dangerous they are.

I have said before, well armed Citizens make very poor targets and victims.

My favorite saying, fight Crime, shoot back.

[Otto Harkaman]

^ Aztlan (Reconquista)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconquista_(Mexico)


The Hispanic and Latino American proportion of population in the United States in 2010 overlaid with the Mexican–American border of 1836

Charlie Norwood, a congressman from Georgia who died earlier this year, appeared to accept the conspiracy at face value, accusing the National Council of La Raza, a mainstream Washington advocacy group, of acting as a front organization for the radical group Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan.
In an article last year for the conservative newspaper HumanEvents, he complained of a grant La Raza made to Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan, which he said was seeking "to carve a racist nation out of the American West."
"It doesn't end with secession," Norwood wrote. "The final plan includes the ethnic cleansing of Americans of European, African and Asian descent out of 'Aztlan.'"
Aztec folklore puts Aztlan in northern Mexico, possibly along its western coast. Other accounts place it farther north in what is now Arizona, Colorado or New Mexico.
Mexico lost the huge piece of territory after its defeat in the Mexican-American War. The 1848 Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo ceded what are now California, Utah and Nevada, and parts of present-day Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico and Wyoming, to the United States.
Anti-immigration critics often cite a Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan manifesto, written in 1969 and filled with nationalist rhetoric, as proof the organization has a hidden agenda.
"Aztlan belongs to those who plant the seeds, water the fields, and gather the crops and not to the foreign Europeans," the manifesto reads. "With our heart in our hands and our hands in the soil, we declare the independence of our mestizo nation. We are a bronze people with a bronze culture."

https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/...west-20070908/

National Council of La Raza, a mainstream Washington advocacy group, of acting as a front organization for the radical group Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan.

I wonder if they are on DOGE's list

[Gorpet]

Originally Posted by Otto Harkaman

^ Aztlan (Reconquista)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconquista_(Mexico)


The Hispanic and Latino American proportion of population in the United States in 2010 overlaid with the Mexican–American border of 1836

https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/...west-20070908/

I wonder if they are on DOGE's list

You failed to mention that Charlie Norwood died in 2007. Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan.
I wonder if they are on DOGE's list. Well are you involved ? In something that could require a lawyer. Oh baby remember the opening song of cops? Bad Boys. And the Donald will give you the option leave or we will come for you.

[Gorpet]

Originally Posted by Otto Harkaman

Because the manifesto was posted in 1969
To some it has been a conspiracy for a long time

So what does that manifesto from 1969 have to do with today ? And what are you worried about Doge? Enlighten me.

As Chicanas and Chicanos of Aztlán, we are a nationalist movement of Indigenous Gente that lay claim to the land that is ours by birthright. Well i have read, and if you want it take it...I can guarantee you, you might have a problem with the Democrats. And you haven't told me What Dodge has to do with it.

[Otto Harkaman]

Commander Wallace was wondering if there was some plan or conspiracy to disarm citizens and allow in mass amounts of illegals that would displace the current population. I was just posting something I had heard at one time, that there was a Chicano movement to reclaim lost Mexican territory. I myself am now wondering, with some of the DOGE (Department of Government Efficiency, Elon Musk) findings, if perhaps we have been funding the Reconquista of Aztlan.

[Otto Harkaman]

[Gorpet]

Originally Posted by Otto Harkaman

Commander Wallace was wondering if there was some plan or conspiracy to disarm citizens and allow in mass amounts of illegals that would displace the current population. I was just posting something I had heard at one time, that there was a Chicano movement to reclaim lost Mexican territory. I myself am now wondering, with some of the DOGE (Department of Government Efficiency, Elon Musk) findings, if perhaps we have been funding the Reconquista of Aztlan.

Look,I don't know about that.The plan was to send men to Ukraine. For front line troops.And replace the Ukraine men who were killed.Anybody who can survive will become a citizen.This was a NATO, EU plan why do you think the governments let so many men without women enter your countries.

So they could, lounge around fk your women and live a good life. ? They will soon find their asses fighting for Democracy. And it will work like in 1943, Gun barrel in the front, and a Gun barrel if you turn around.And for most mercenaries they don't get to collect the last paycheck. So let's get new meat in the game. Starmers Brits, Macron's French and we can't leave out the Germans this will be round 3 for them. And this time the Americans will set on the sidelines. 300 billion+ we have earned it.

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Otto Harkaman

^


The Hispanic and Latino American proportion of population in the United States in 2010 overlaid with the Mexican–American border of 1836

LOL, if any of you had an passing fancy of the history of the American Southwest would know the Spaniards were in that area from 1540 onward, and that the U.S. paid Mexico 15 million dollars after whooping them during the Mexican-American war in 1848, we also paid another 10 million for New Mexico and the rest of Arizona in 1854, aka the Gadson Purchase. So not sure of the point of the map.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Otto Harkaman

You didn't watch the whole video because Cash Jordan NYC goes deeply into the fault of business hiring illegals, but he also goes into how these people are getting ID's to work at larger business that don't know they are illegal. Its not just the illegals it is the criminal network supporting them, with lots of organized crime.

Correct, i did not watch the whole video yesterday. Then if it is organised in such a scale this is indeed worse than i thought..

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Catfish

So this is all the immigrants' fault?
I don't think so, I think just of all big business needs a cheap workforce and to hell with regulations. Same here b.t.w..
The laws are there but they are not followed.

Big business do not hire illegals. It's businesses that generally contract on a company(usually construction) who in turn hire illegals. Everyday illegals are standing at Home Depot and Lowe's hoping a contractor can use them for the day. Here in MD illegals are found is very small businesses. The business owners are fined if found to be hiring illegals.

[VipertheSniper]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Skybird, how in the hell did you come across that? I’m not sure what’s scariest, the kook on YouTube claiming to have special insights or the kook who takes him seriously. Both are pretty damn far out there somewhere.

Endorsing a book by the neo-nazi, white supremacist Jack Posobiec (not mentioned in the video, I looked up who authored "Unhumans"), extolling the "virtues" of dictators who killed, or had their political opponents killed, and that today the same should be done by the Republicans in the US, should anyone who has 2 braincells to rub together tell how JD Vance ticks.

If JD Vance read it before endorsing it. And if he has not read it, why endorse it at all?