US Politics Thread 2021-24 - Page 773

mapuc · 02-21-25, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Trump has released a UN draft that no longer lists Russia as the aggressor.

It gets worse and worse.

Next he will want to send Zelenskyi to The Hague, just wait for it.

Is Trump turning USA into a tail who is waging behind Putin's back ?

Markus

Skybird · 02-21-25, 09:35 PM

No, Putin wags the US-dog.

What the US under Trump does and tries to do to and with Ukraine, is a disgrace, and utmost shameful. History will remember this.

It seems as if Trump has the ambition to confirm every negative clichée about the capitalist evil USA that is even conceivable. The speed with which he is doing one strategically important favor after another for Russia without asking for anything in return defies description. I think the godlike worship of his followers has gone to his head and he is now completely stupid. Or age-related degeneration. All that junk food, and his age...

Aktungbby · 02-21-25, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by u crank

Kinda funny. You catch someone stealing your money and they are mad at you instead of the thief. I don't understand that thinking.

That's 'cause yer a cold, hard PEI instead of a soft, corrupt liberal DEI!

Commander Wallace · 02-22-25, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Aktungbby

That's 'cause yer a cold, hard PEI instead of a soft, corrupt liberal DEI!

Me thinks you should be keeping things on the QT because if the VP who is a VIP learns of you dissing and disagreeing with the downing of DEI, He could contact the FBI, CIA and NSA and you could end up an MIA.

Hawk66 · 02-22-25, 06:39 AM

The speed in which the Europeans and the US destroy the West is astonishing: The EU incapable to spend enough (and equally important have the proper mindset) for its defense, the US going back before WWII (and I) acting as a kind of "soft-imperalist"

And this in a time when the citizens are confused about the increasing complexity of our world and when we would need to put the focus on stuff like governing AI.

Exocet25fr · 02-22-25, 08:30 AM

https://image.over-blog.com/E7fSnWK7...aine3ans07.jpg

https://image.over-blog.com/bsqs2ELb...aine3ans06.jpg

Catfish · 02-22-25, 09:55 AM

Trump has just threatened to turn off Starlink if Ukraine does not give him the country's resources.

https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-sta...s-deal-2034765

https://eaworldview.com/2025/02/ukra...threatens-cut/

MaDef · 02-22-25, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Trump has just threatened to turn off Starlink if Ukraine does not give him the country's resources.

https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-sta...s-deal-2034765

https://eaworldview.com/2025/02/ukra...threatens-cut/

Sorry those links are BS.

the first is based on 3 unnamed sources (which is reporter speak for: I made it up) The second is nothing more than a picture with that caption, I could not find any mention of Starlink in the text below it, (although I only scanned it)

Just a heads up, I won't speak for others, but due to the actions of the U.S. news media over the last 10 years, I'm very skeptical of any "news reports" that do not have verifiable sources or evidence that can be cross checked with other sources.

Catfish · 02-22-25, 10:50 AM

^ Like you I almost fail to understand how and how fast Trump destroys decade-long relations and cutting ties to former allies and friends, but this Starlink thing is ALL over the internet.

https://www.reuters.com/business/us-...ay-2025-02-22/

You tell me that Trump's presidency is also a russian hoax? I sure hope so.

Otto Harkaman · 02-22-25, 11:05 AM

^
I can't find anything factual about Starlink being turned off in Ukraine

This seems to be one of the articles that started the rumor
https://www.reuters.com/business/us-...ay-2025-02-22/

The Reuters report bases its claim on anonymous sources rather than publishing a direct, verbatim statement from a U.S. negotiator. One source was quoted as saying, "Ukraine runs on Starlink. They consider it their North Star," which highlights the service’s critical role for Ukraine, but no negotiator’s direct quote specifically stating the threat to cut off Starlink has been disclosed.

Aktungbby · 02-22-25, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by katfische

turn off Starlink

...Trump is aware of the M.I.T study that predicts the end of civilization by 2040, and he knows he is a Lame Duck dicktater with nuthing to lose. He, XI, Putin, and KimJungUn are the four Horsemen of the coming Apocalypse predicted by Baba Vanga after the collapse of Syria...

MaDef · 02-22-25, 11:08 AM

Here's the thing Catfish, no matter the link, they are all the same story and they all cite "unnamed sources". They are also linked to mineral rights. a lot of those minerals are needed for use in the Starlink satellites.

What I think the more likely scenario is: the U.S. told Ukraine they need those minerals for starlink and that those satellites have a finite lifespan of 5-7 years (before they break down and/or lose orbit) and that replacing them could be problematic without access to said minerals. and someone decided to exaggerate what was said to try and influence the "talks".

Catfish · 02-22-25, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Otto Harkaman

^
I can't find anything factual about Starlink being turned off in Ukraine [...]

Seems this is not even new news.

"According to sources familiar with the situation, the issue of Starlink access was raised during recent talks led by U.S. Special Envoy for Ukraine, Keith Kellogg. During this meeting, Ukraine was warned that the service could be turned off if an agreement on the extraction of valuable minerals, including rare earth elements, is not reached promptly. President Zelenskyy confirmed that negotiators are currently working towards a resolution.

U.S. President Donald Trump expressed optimism, stating that a deal could be finalized soon. The Starlink system, owned by Elon Musk's SpaceX, has proven vital for Ukraine, particularly for maintaining internet connectivity for military operations amidst the ongoing conflict with Russia."

https://themunicheye.com/us-threaten...rce-deal-11318

"Washington first raised the prospect of shutting off Starlink service after Zelensky rejected the deal presented by U.S. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent on Feb. 12, sources said. The deal reportedly sought a 50% stake in Ukraine's natural resources, including critical minerals, oil, and gas, without offering Ukraine any concrete security guarantees.

The Starlink threat came up again in talks with U.S. Special Envoy Keith Kellogg, who met with Zelensky and other Ukrainian officials in Kyiv on Feb. 20."

I sure hope it is not true, still it is perfectly in line of Trump's latest actions.
Even the Kremlin is 'totally stunned' by Trump's concessions to Putin, says a former Russian official. But maybe this is also a hoax. Whatever, a good deal it is not.

Otto Harkaman · 02-22-25, 01:03 PM

^ Catfish the media keeps saying sources, what sources? find me a direct quote

Well it doesn't matter, a deal is going to be made on Ukraine whether people like it or not, the war is unsustainable and needs to end
So Russia won this round, well better get ready for the next one instead of just wringing your hands blaming others.

Catfish · 02-22-25, 01:19 PM

The Ukraine war needs to end, but not under russian conditions. Or US ones. The latter will see another war in 4-5 years latest, when Trump is out of office.
You are chickening out, ok. You destroy decade-long-connections, ok. You destroy NATO, ok. But you do not decide a ukrainian surrender.
"We" are already at war with Russia, hybrid- and infrastructure-wise.
Trump is too dumb to see it, or maybe he is ok with that. We. are. not.

You are right, Europe is too weak because we believed in treaties. Even dumb europeans will not fall for this again.

02-21-25, 09:35 PM	#11582
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	No, Putin wags the US-dog. What the US under Trump does and tries to do to and with Ukraine, is a disgrace, and utmost shameful. History will remember this. It seems as if Trump has the ambition to confirm every negative clichée about the capitalist evil USA that is even conceivable. The speed with which he is doing one strategically important favor after another for Russia without asking for anything in return defies description. I think the godlike worship of his followers has gone to his head and he is now completely stupid. Or age-related degeneration. All that junk food, and his age... __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

02-22-25, 06:39 AM	#11585
Hawk66 Commodore Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 609 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	The speed in which the Europeans and the US destroy the West is astonishing: The EU incapable to spend enough (and equally important have the proper mindset) for its defense, the US going back before WWII (and I) acting as a kind of "soft-imperalist" And this in a time when the citizens are confused about the increasing complexity of our world and when we would need to put the focus on stuff like governing AI. __________________ Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. - Albert Einstein

02-22-25, 08:30 AM	#11586
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02-22-25, 09:55 AM	#11587
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,765 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Trump has just threatened to turn off Starlink if Ukraine does not give him the country's resources. https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-sta...s-deal-2034765 https://eaworldview.com/2025/02/ukra...threatens-cut/ __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

02-22-25, 10:50 AM	#11589
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,765 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^ Like you I almost fail to understand how and how fast Trump destroys decade-long relations and cutting ties to former allies and friends, but this Starlink thing is ALL over the internet. https://www.reuters.com/business/us-...ay-2025-02-22/ You tell me that Trump's presidency is also a russian hoax? I sure hope so. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

02-22-25, 11:05 AM	#11590
Otto Harkaman Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Lexington, Kentucky Posts: 1,166 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	^ I can't find anything factual about Starlink being turned off in Ukraine This seems to be one of the articles that started the rumor https://www.reuters.com/business/us-...ay-2025-02-22/ The Reuters report bases its claim on anonymous sources rather than publishing a direct, verbatim statement from a U.S. negotiator. One source was quoted as saying, "Ukraine runs on Starlink. They consider it their North Star," which highlights the service’s critical role for Ukraine, but no negotiator’s direct quote specifically stating the threat to cut off Starlink has been disclosed. __________________ "If you want to know the age of the Earth, look upon the sea in a storm." -Joseph Conrad USS Pompano (SS-181) https://www.oneternalpatrol.com/uss-pompano-181.htm

02-22-25, 11:08 AM	#11592
MaDef Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,194 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Here's the thing Catfish, no matter the link, they are all the same story and they all cite "unnamed sources". They are also linked to mineral rights. a lot of those minerals are needed for use in the Starlink satellites. What I think the more likely scenario is: the U.S. told Ukraine they need those minerals for starlink and that those satellites have a finite lifespan of 5-7 years (before they break down and/or lose orbit) and that replacing them could be problematic without access to said minerals. and someone decided to exaggerate what was said to try and influence the "talks".

02-22-25, 01:03 PM	#11594
Otto Harkaman Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Lexington, Kentucky Posts: 1,166 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	^ Catfish the media keeps saying sources, what sources? find me a direct quote Well it doesn't matter, a deal is going to be made on Ukraine whether people like it or not, the war is unsustainable and needs to end So Russia won this round, well better get ready for the next one instead of just wringing your hands blaming others. __________________ "If you want to know the age of the Earth, look upon the sea in a storm." -Joseph Conrad USS Pompano (SS-181) https://www.oneternalpatrol.com/uss-pompano-181.htm

02-22-25, 01:19 PM	#11595
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,765 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	The Ukraine war needs to end, but not under russian conditions. Or US ones. The latter will see another war in 4-5 years latest, when Trump is out of office. You are chickening out, ok. You destroy decade-long-connections, ok. You destroy NATO, ok. But you* do not decide a ukrainian surrender.* "We" are already at war with Russia, hybrid- and infrastructure-wise. Trump is too dumb to see it, or maybe he is ok with that. We. are. not. You are right, Europe is too weak because we believed in treaties. Even dumb europeans will not fall for this again. __________________ >^..^<)))>{ All generalizations are wrong. Last edited by Catfish; 02-22-25 at 03:39 PM.*