US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Is this the sort of eugenics they teach at Prager University? And oriental? The 1870's called, they want their term back.

Look, I'll help you out. I a white guy, straight. So, the whole "inferior Chinaman" line isn't going to work. I am, however, a left-leaning (gasp), college professor (scream) that is married to a Jew (faints). The appropriate line of slurs is therefore a global, elitist, race traitor. I'm sure that Prager University has all kinds of suplemental material that will help you come up with all kinds of creative insults.

I look forward to reading them!

Straight? How does professing sexual orientation help in this conversation?

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

ok, I will bite, what has he done since being elected that you find is "unstable".

His entire behaviour, hitting out on twitter at random individuals and organisations just because they have annoyed him. Threatening the University of Berkeley with with-holding federal funds, even though the university was resisting calls to ban its controversial visitor and set up security to cover him. He's an ego-centric narcissist, and unable to take criticism...and that's a bad thing to be as president.

ok, I will bite again. What exactly has Steve Bannon said that has you worried.

Here I am talking about his word, not other people's words that the media is trying to attribute to him.

Well, I've not spoken to Steve Bannon face to face so I'm going to have to use some form of media, aren't I? But anyone who compares himself to Dick Cheney, Darth Vader and Satan isn't exactly on the level, is he? And the vitriol that comes out of Breitbart isn't exactly to be taken lightly, is it?

which tick boxes exactly has the current admin ticked?

Powerful and continuing nationalism
A trademark of the American right, often intermixed with 'patriotism'.
http://www.breitbart.com/immigration...l-nationalism/

Disdain for human rights
Enhanced Interrogation

Identification of enemies as a common cause
Muslims, Mexicans, Immigrants - You pick.

Supremacy of the Military
Another trademark of the American right, Trump wants to make the military bigger, make it better, it's not good enough, the 'nuclear' is not good enough.

Rampant Sexism
Do I really need to give examples?

Controlled Mass Media
Not yet.

Obsession with National Security
The recent 'ban' (which is and isn't a ban depending on how the government is feeling on the day), the wall.

Religion and Government intertwined
Not yet, although when they get around to Roe vs Wade this will probably start happening.

Corporate Power protected
Well, durr

Labor Power suppressed
Not yet, but we'll see...he might actually surprise us with this one.

Disdain for intellectuals and the arts
And the feeling is mutual

Obsession with crime and punishment
'The Trump Administration will be a Law and Order administration'
'If Chicago doesn’t fix the horrible “carnage” going on, 228 shootings in 2017 with 42 killings (up 24% from 2016), I will send in the Feds"

Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
I could put examples here but people will just say "Oh, well that's not illegal", but it wouldn't be wrong to say that his family are doing very well out of his new job.

Fraudulent Elections
Well, that depends on who you ask too.

If you want a debate, bring along some real facts.

Did I ask for a debate? I was replying to Steve, after all, not you.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Straight? How does professing sexual orientation help in this conversation?

Help in deflecting the race-based insults? Simple. I have demonstrated that I am exactly like him in every way but opinion. So it is not a case of "well, you're X demographic".

Did you not read the post to which I replied?

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Oberon

His entire behaviour, hitting out on twitter at random individuals and organisations just because they have annoyed him. Threatening the University of Berkeley with with-holding federal funds, even though the university was resisting calls to ban its controversial visitor and set up security to cover him. He's an ego-centric narcissist, and unable to take criticism...and that's a bad thing to be as president.



Well, I've not spoken to Steve Bannon face to face so I'm going to have to use some form of media, aren't I? But anyone who compares himself to Dick Cheney, Darth Vader and Satan isn't exactly on the level, is he? And the vitriol that comes out of Breitbart isn't exactly to be taken lightly, is it?



Powerful and continuing nationalism
A trademark of the American right, often intermixed with 'patriotism'.
http://www.breitbart.com/immigration...l-nationalism/

Disdain for human rights
Enhanced Interrogation

Identification of enemies as a common cause
Muslims, Mexicans, Immigrants - You pick.

Supremacy of the Military
Another trademark of the American right, Trump wants to make the military bigger, make it better, it's not good enough, the 'nuclear' is not good enough.

Rampant Sexism
Do I really need to give examples?

Controlled Mass Media
Not yet.

Obsession with National Security
The recent 'ban' (which is and isn't a ban depending on how the government is feeling on the day), the wall.

Religion and Government intertwined
Not yet, although when they get around to Roe vs Wade this will probably start happening.

Corporate Power protected
Well, durr

Labor Power suppressed
Not yet, but we'll see...he might actually surprise us with this one.

Disdain for intellectuals and the arts
And the feeling is mutual

Obsession with crime and punishment
'The Trump Administration will be a Law and Order administration'
'If Chicago doesn’t fix the horrible “carnage” going on, 228 shootings in 2017 with 42 killings (up 24% from 2016), I will send in the Feds"

Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
I could put examples here but people will just say "Oh, well that's not illegal", but it wouldn't be wrong to say that his family are doing very well out of his new job.

Fraudulent Elections
Well, that depends on who you ask too.




Did I ask for a debate? I was replying to Steve, after all, not you.

None of this is new, sir.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

None of this is new, sir.

I know, and no-one seems to be particularly bothered by it.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Oberon

I know, and no-one seems to be particularly bothered by it.

They won't be. If you're waiting for such a thing you're going to have to wait until the next non-Republican administration. Then they will be up in arms.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Help in deflecting the race-based insults? Simple. I have demonstrated that I am exactly like him in every way but opinion. So it is not a case of "well, you're X demographic".

Did you not read the post to which I replied?

Sexuality and race baiting? I do not see the correlation. But yes, citing left brain/right brain is a Chinese something or other. I did not read any further. Just jibberish to me. Useless post honestly.

To be frank, the baiting/labeling happens on all sides. Homophobic white supremist, gun totting, gun hugger, bible thumping deplorable. But they are all straight. On it goes.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Sexuality and race baiting? I do not see the correlation. But yes, citing left brain/right brain is a Chinese something or other. I did not read any further. Just jibberish to me. Useless post honestly.

To be frank, the baiting/labeling happens on all sides. Homophobic white supremist, gun totting, gun hugger, bible thumping deplorable. But they are all straight. On it goes.

You're being deliberately obtuse here. The esteemed member in question said "he thinks Y becasue he's an X". I replied "no, I'm just like you". I then even went to help the esteemed member in question by providing helpful tips for more accurate future slurs.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Oberon

I know, and no-one seems to be particularly bothered by it.

Because we have seen it ALL before. The world goes on. The sun comes up. We watch riots on TV. Rioting have gone on for decades. Clinton/Obama both talked up immigration problems. Blocked immigrations for a short period of time. The world went on. We have seen crazy on the oval office. Sexual affairs. Watergate. Iran Contra Affair. Executive orders for whatever they feel like. On it goes.

Nothing new.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

They won't be. If you're waiting for such a thing you're going to have to wait until the next non-Republican administration. Then they will be up in arms.

What is perhaps a bit concerning is the fact that the entire society of America seems slanted heavily to the right. Obviously there is a growing socialist movement but even Bernie Sanders is further right than many other socialist movements globally and he was vitrioled as a communist by his opponents.
It seems that anything even remotely left wing is seen as being akin to the anti-christ by many, and it's been this way for a very long time.
Now, I can understand how this feeling began, there was a very strong anti-communist movement in Europe in the aftermath of the Russian revolution, but after WWII that movement faded away slowly, except in the US where it went into overdrive with the likes of McCarthy.
I don't understand it if I'm honest.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

You're being deliberately obtuse here. The esteemed member in question said "he thinks Y becasue he's an X". I replied "no, I'm just like you". I then even went to help the esteemed member in question by providing helpful tips for more accurate future slurs.

Not at all. I do not see how sexual orientation plays into this particular conversation.

Let's get back to politics since we know you like chicks.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Oberon

What is perhaps a bit concerning is the fact that the entire society of America seems slanted heavily to the right.
I don't understand it if I'm honest.

Silent majority sir. Always been there. Silent. Did not happen overnight. So how is it concerning? Did the world end over the past 100 years from these silent folks?

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Because we have seen it ALL before. The world goes on. The sun comes up. We watch riots on TV. Rioting have gone on for decades. Clinton/Obama both talked up immigration problems. Blocked immigrations for a short period of time. The world went on. We have seen crazy on the oval office. Sexual affairs. Watergate. Iran Contra Affair. Executive orders for whatever they feel like. On it goes.

Nothing new.

No...the mood is different now, nastier, on both sides. I think that all of the times you've seen it all before have been leading up to a clash of ideologies in America, between the left and the right who have been growing further apart, and now it's war. No more middle ground, no more bi-partisanship, but all out war. It's not just government, it's society, and it seems to be heading towards a violent clash. Both sides will claim that the other started it, but to be honest, it really doesn't matter who starts it, not any more.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Oberon

What is perhaps a bit concerning is the fact that the entire society of America seems slanted heavily to the right. Obviously there is a growing socialist movement but even Bernie Sanders is further right than many other socialist movements globally and he was vitrioled as a communist by his opponents.
It seems that anything even remotely left wing is seen as being akin to the anti-christ by many, and it's been this way for a very long time.
Now, I can understand how this feeling began, there was a very strong anti-communist movement in Europe in the aftermath of the Russian revolution, but after WWII that movement faded away slowly, except in the US where it went into overdrive with the likes of McCarthy.
I don't understand it if I'm honest.

It isn't slanted right. The government at this time is. The American populace has remained fairly constant. Simplifying things, it is roughly 20 extreme right, 20 percent extreme left and the remaining 60 percent somewhere in the middle. Here you see mostly right-leaning individuals, but it really isn't an accurate sampling of America, as the SubSim demographic is almost entirely older, white and male.

Over the last few decades those on the extreme right have been muted. Society has disregarded them and moved without their consent. Trump's ascension to power has given those people a voice. It is like taking the lid off the pressure cooker. They're a lot louder than there were before. This is agitating those on the left, resulting in this back and forth. That conflict is pulling people from the middle to either side.

The end result is that Americans are generally not happy with each other. We've had hate crimes in our community, and I can never remember that happening. They've even been directed at my own family, which is why we're leaving. But in any case while the government is pursuing a right-wing agenda, the people are not a homogeneous political block. I don't think that this is the dawn of a century worth of isolationist policy from the US. A lot of people are already tired of the Trump administration.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Not at all. I do not see how sexual orientation plays into this particular conversation.

Let's get back to politics since we know you like chicks.

Yes, yes, I am the scum of the Earth and should be executed. Maybe if Bannon gets his way. Maybe.