US Politics Thread 2021-24

[Skybird]

And so he took the last hurdle.

Kennedy was confirmed as health and human services secretary on a mostly party-line vote of 52-48.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...ary-rcna191856

I honestly hope he will live up to the hopes he has raised. It could become a signal then that reaches far beyond the borders of the US, since both food and health policies of the US are incredibly influential around most of the globe.

Usually I never trust politicians, no matter their name, no matter their party. JUST NEVER. On the very few occasions I did, I promptly got punished for this naivety. I really hope he is an exception from the rule.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by Skybird

And so he took the last hurdle.

Kennedy was confirmed as health and human services secretary on a mostly party-line vote of 52-48.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...ary-rcna191856

I honestly hope he will live up to the hopes he has raised. It could become a signal then that reaches far beyond the borders of the US, since both food and health policies of the US are incredibly influential around most of the globe.

Usually I never trust politicians, no matter their name, no matter their party. JUST NEVER. On the very few occasions I did, I promptly got punished for this naivety. I really hope he is an exception from the rule.

It's like putting a flat earther in charge of NASA.

[AVGWarhawk]

Truth

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

It's like putting a flat earther in charge of NASA.

I'll leave this here.

[August]

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[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

It has begun

https://www.youtube.com/live/MmGQULW...jNG44pS&t=2224

So as it turns out no charges were filed against the people named in the press conference. Charges are criminal in nature and what was filed was a civil lawsuit seeking an injunction against the NY Green law claiming it is obstructive and it has nothing to do with the individuals named in the complaint. That was political grandstanding.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

So as it turns out no charges were filed against the people named in the press conference. Charges are criminal in nature and what was filed was a civil lawsuit seeking an injunction against the NY Green law claiming it is obstructive and it has nothing to do with the individuals named in the complaint. That was political grandstanding.

Funny when it's on the other foot.

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Funny when it's on the other foot.

I feel a change in the wind.

Quote: Bondi said the Justice Department filed a suit against the state, Hochul, New York Attorney General Letitia James and Mark Schroder, commissioner of New York’s Department of Motor Vehicles.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mollybo...een-light-law/

At the heart of this action is the fact that under the " Green light " law, drivers licenses are being Issued to Illegal Migrants. This is Insane. This has the effect of putting U.S Motorists at risk.

Worse, if these Drivers licenses are being used as Identification, It gives Illegals a degree of Validity. Further, these Illegals may then be able to rent vehicles in other States. It will also make the jobs of ICE officers more difficult to discern who is here legally and who isn't.

The totality of what NY is doing is to defy the Federal Government and what most people want. I hope the voting public remembers this at the Elections

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

I feel a change in the wind.

Quote: Bondi said the Justice Department filed a suit against the state, Hochul, New York Attorney General Letitia James and Mark Schroder, commissioner of New York’s Department of Motor Vehicles.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mollybo...een-light-law/

At the heart of this action is the fact that under the " Green light " law, drivers licenses are being Issued to Illegal Migrants. This is Insane. This has the effect of putting U.S Motorists at risk.

Worse, if these Drivers licenses are being used as Identification, It gives Illegals a degree of Validity. Further, these Illegals may then be able to rent vehicles in other States. It will also make the jobs of ICE officers more difficult to discern who is here legally and who isn't.

The totality of what NY is doing is to defy the Federal Government and what most people want. I hope the voting public remembers this at the Elections

I'm with you on this. Illegals are getting a free ride. We taxpayers are suffering the economic, physical and mental impact. People are being raped or killed. Sometimes both. All in the name of humanity.

Trump is enacting a promise. Deport on a large scale. It is long past due. Anchor babies. No more.

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I'm with you on this. Illegals are getting a free ride. We taxpayers are suffering the economic, physical and mental impact. People are being raped or killed. Sometimes both. All in the name of humanity.

Trump is enacting a promise. Deport on a large scale. It is long past due. Anchor babies. No more.

I agree with you 100 %. Under extreme circumstances, The general public might be able to do a better job of " removing " these " Invaders " if they knew they wouldn't face prosecution. People tend to know their neighborhoods better than anyone else. Lets call the migrants what they really are, Invaders. Better to deal with them and this Issue accordingly.

I understand people in the world are suffering hardships but we, the U.S aren't responsible for that or them. People coming here aren't escaping persecution, they are here because the U.S has shown they are soft on such Issues. It's time the U.S and Other Countries in Europe show them a harsh face. Logic suggests they will stay where they are better treated.

[Buddahaid]

And all that changes nothing of what I said. The civil suit is over the law, not charges against the individuals named in it.

Sanctuary States and cities cannot obstruct the Federal Government by Constitutional law, but they also are under no obligation to cooperate by handing over records or giving assistance.

That’s the point it will have to prove has occurred. If they win the law will be overridden and that's it, nobody named in the suit goes to jail or is fined.

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

And all that changes nothing of what I said. The civil suit is over the law, not charges against the individuals named in it.

Sanctuary States and cities cannot obstruct the Federal Government by Constitutional law, but they also are under no obligation to cooperate by handing over records or giving assistance.

That’s the point it will have to prove has occurred.

When you hide people from Immigration Officers, you're in violation of Federal Law. That is Obstruction. That's it. Federal law supersedes State law, in this case.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

When you hide people from Immigration Officers, you're in violation of Federal Law. That is Obstruction. That's it. Federal law supersedes State law, in this case.

That's what I said and what must be proven in court. The DOJ must prove what is occurring is more than just choosing not to render assistance.

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

That's what I said and what must be proven in court. The DOJ must prove what is occurring is more than just choosing not to render assistance.

There is nothing to prove. This is the Law. I will assume, at least for the moment, that you know how to read. If so, read on.

The laws I am citing are Federal U.S code.

8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien

(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

8 U.S. Code § 1324 - Bringing in and harboring certain aliens

(i) Anyone knowing that a person is an alien, brings to or attempts to bring to the United States in any manner whatsoever such person at a place other than a designated port of entry or place other than as designated by the Commissioner, regardless of whether such alien has received prior official authorization to come to, enter, or reside in the United States and regardless of any future official action which may be taken with respect to such alien;

(ii) Knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, transports, or moves or attempts to transport or move such alien within the United States by means of transportation or otherwise, in furtherance of such violation of law;

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325

There are a number of other laws that I could Cite but anyone can read up on that on their own. However, I don't want to clog up this thread. I merely cited two of them. Your arguments are baseless and have no merits whatsoever. The laws I cited are on the books. That's the end of it. The Federal Govt. Is essentially saying, obey the law or face the consequences. No one is interested in the whimsical perceptions of the Liberal Democrats or their pathetic party.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

And all that changes nothing of what I said. The civil suit is over the law, not charges against the individuals named in it.

Sanctuary States and cities cannot obstruct the Federal Government by Constitutional law, but they also are under no obligation to cooperate by handing over records or giving assistance.

That’s the point it will have to prove has occurred. If they win the law will be overridden and that's it, nobody named in the suit goes to jail or is fined.

Is it possible Trump declare state of emergency to overrun different states law against these deportation ?

Markus