US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

For how long is Trump the President..I know Biden has to take the oath Jan. 20 2021. Is Trump President until then.

How much power has he from now until then(Jan. 20 2021).

Earlier today I was thinking, what if Trump in his rage due to having lost the election decide to leave the White House with a bang..meaning let Biden take over a country at war with Iran and/or NK.

Trump hasn't start any war and I don't think he as any intention to do so, but can he give an attack order, now that he has lost the election ?

Markus

Well, he strongly motivates intimidating armed mobsters flocking to thre streets, in Arizonas growingly so (and complains when the other side feels threatened or bullied and so does the same in a reaction - but that confrontation is what Trump wants and always wanted). He will never say "Americans, grab a weapon anbd bangbang down every biden voter you cna find", but he certainly wills to indirectly, rhetorically motivate right this, and he would accept it if it happens. He has praised radicals in the past, relativised extremists, and refused to distance himself from armed mobsters and racists. He certainly will motivate them to things, and indirectly encourages them, that he will never call them out to do in direct words. Nobody shall have illusions there, if somebody still thinks I exaggerate, then he must have spend the past years frozen in a fridge.


Seen this way, there is indeed a risk that he will try to leave behind burnt soil. The question is whether the party will let him. I am pessimistic there, since so much mercilessly opportunistic and power-greedy scum forms the top of it, has assisted Trump in the past years, lied for him, cheated for him, manipulated for him, agitated for him, defended his wrongdoings and deflecting any criticism away from him. They all are guilty, and they all are as unscrupulous as Trump is himself. I especially think of Pence and McConnell, but there are more. Both I strictly dislike with passion. Palin, measured by Trump's standards, just was hilarious and embarassing in comparison when she had her hey-years.

[u crank]

Now that it almost seem certain that Joe Biden will be President a very obvious question comes up. What will a very bias left wing MSM do now? After four years of a daily vomit of anti Trump rage porn these people will have to find a new way to keep viewers and readers interested. Let's face it Joe Biden has to be one of the more boring and uninteresting politicians alive. Now they could fact check and investigate any and all allegations of corruption and scandal but we know that is not going to happen. Jim Acosta could yell out rude questions at press conferences but no that won't happen. Joe will get the Obama treatment from CNN and one has to wonder what it will do to their ratings.

On the other hand the Biden administration will be a goldmine for the folks at FoxNews and all the conservative news outlets. Let the fun begin.

[Mr Quatro]

Sure Biden is boring, but his agenda is not ... in fact it is upsetting

It's the US Senate that will get all of the news, right now it is tied 48-48 with two (2) independents (who will surely be wined and dinned by both sides)

Four Senate races are still to be decided in run off elections January 6th with two of them in the swing voter state of Georgia.

If they stay tied then the VP elect Harris will decide the matter and we know which side she is on, but I bet the GOP will win the majority of the Senate back to be a thorn in President elect Joe Biden.

Let's see what is up to him and what is up to the House and the Senate

Green deal

Trump's wall

Open borders

Amnesty for all

Obama's old health mandate that everyone must pay into
(already before the Supreme Court)

Women's health rights in regards to abortion

Lock downs mandatory including mask

No siree 2021 will be exciting for sure

[Onkel Neal]

I feel we have to give the Biden administration a chance. I'm hoping some of the bs they spouted was simply campaign rhetoric. However, if the new administration abolishes ICE, opens the borders, appoints Beto-Bozo as a firearm confiscation czar, etc. it's gonna get ugly.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

I feel we have to give the Biden administration a chance.

I believe that Biden's two biggest challenges will be the Covid 19 virus and the hard pressure he is going to get from the far Left people in his party. That pressure has already started and he'll have to walk a fine line to prevent a civil war within the Democrat party.

[mapuc]

Biden has stretched his hand out to all Americans an outstretched hand to unification

Now it's up to those who voted Trump/third candidate to either requite this and stretch his own hand forward and give Biden his hand or choose to go against the grate.

I say it's time to unite no more we and them.

That's how I see it

Markus

[ET2SN]

Originally Posted by mapuc

A voter have a responsibility and it's not a responsibility to protest continuously, but a responsibility to do the right for the country...which mean no voting in some cases, if none of politician is qualified to lead and protect the country and the people within.

Markus

I need to disagree with this.
In the US, most elections are "winner take all".
That means that whether 10 people voted or 10 million voted, someone's going to get the job by winning the election.

As citizens, its up to us to do the homework and figure out who the best candidate is. The more people who vote, the better the representation is since we're the ones the candidates will be working for*.


*- In a perfect world, but you get my point.

[ET2SN]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

Obama's old health mandate that everyone must pay into
(already before the Supreme Court)

If anything, I'm still hoping we adopt something that looks a lot like a single payer, gov't mandated health care system. Something like what Canada or most of Europe uses.
Currently, I'm 100% covered by the VA which is a HUGE bureaucracy, but it works. All I had to do was hold up my right hand when I was sworn into the Navy and not commit any capital crimes, and I'm covered.

I'd like to see a very similar option for my neighbors, especially the ones who need it, but its risky because some people will make less money than they do now.

"But our taxes..........!!!" Yep, they will go up for all of us. But, we'll wind up spending a LOT less on hospital fees and insurance. It actually works out as a "win".

BTW, this is the best way to contain and fight this flipping virus that's going off the charts, again.

[Jimbuna]

I much prefer our UK NHS system which is free for all.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

I much prefer our UK NHS system which is free for all.

There isn't anything free in our democracy. Free for all means paid by everyone through taxes.

Otherwise I agree. We have the same system here. No cost at all..Except dentist.

Markus

[ET2SN]

Like you said, your taxes pay for your health care.
There's also the issue of "responsibility" that we Americans will need to re-visit, which we're not good at.

The next time you dive into that buffet, expect your taxes to go up to cover your fat ###.

[Catfish]

Suddenly.
I thought in the US all free healthcare advocats are described as being communist and unpatriotic?
Obama had a half-heartedly try, and even if someone gets as far as to propose this, there will be the republican senate.

[Catfish]

Hallelujah!
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN27O0MQ

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Catfish

I thought in the US all free healthcare advocats are described as being communist and unpatriotic?

But that is the issue. It is not free. I think the words you are looking for are universal, tax payer funded health care. Better description. We have that here in Canada and although it is comforting to know you are covered it is far from perfect. I could tell you stories.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

I much prefer our UK NHS system which is free for all.

Free...? Hardly. Stuff costs. Your nurses and doctors do not work for free.


You always pay. By tax blackmailing, for example.


The US systems problem is that it is hilariously expensive and underperforming. The German system is better in practical implementation and very much better in cost-effect efficiency, but costs the tax payer less than half. The US system is better in research and development, universities, has more big names involved, but regarding costs it is up and away. The German system is expensive and costs are gallopping, like everywhere, but the US systems costs are desastrous.