US Politics Thread 2021-24

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by Raf1394

If for example, an non-american. Wants to immigrate to the US. He wants to learn the language, work. Be part of society. With hoping to become a US citizen.

Would this be possible? Under Trump. Or harder rules.

It remains to be seen how Immigration will be affected with Trump as President. You mention, " He wants to learn the language, work. Be part of society. With hoping to become a US citizen " .


This is essentially the essence of Immigrants and the proper way to go about it. The general consensus of the invaders from Mexico and South America is their sense of entitlement. They bring crime and wore out their welcome and hopefully will be removed in short order. U.S Citizens don't want to be made financially responsible for these invaders.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

This is essentially the essence of Immigrants and the proper way to go about it. The general consensus of the invaders from Mexico and South America is their sense of entitlement. They bring crime and wore out their welcome and hopefully will be removed in short order. U.S Citizens don't want to be made financially responsible for these invaders.

Which is precisely how the UK citizens feel about those that enter our country in boats and dinghies.

The one subtle difference being you now have a government who is about to do something about it whilst we in the UK don't have such a luxury.

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Which is precisely how the UK citizens feel about those that enter our country in boats and dinghies.

The one subtle difference being you now have a government who is about to do something about it whilst we in the UK don't have such a luxury.

I would be willing to bet the U.K will watch developments in the U.S very carefully. If things in the U.S resolve themselves, I'm sure common sense will prevail in the U.K and they will adopt a similar stance on invaders in your country as well. In the Legal system here, we routinely cite case law in the U.K and I know they cite our cases as well.

[Raf1394]

Agreed that people who enter the country. Need to come in legally (follow the rules and stuff like that)

I totally agree they target law breakers, drug dealers...ect...

But i think there are people who entered the country in a legal way. Or where starting up the procedure to get in the country, the legal way. but suddenly the rules change and they are gonna get treated like those illegal ones.
I think we have to examine each case individual. And see what the intention is.

i also read an article during Eisenhower. That he deported lots of migrant workers in the 1950's. People who actually worked on the farmlands to booster the US economy during WW2, or the war economy. When WW2 was over. It was like ''thank you, we don't you need anymore, get out''
In my opinion. You have too look at the intention of the individual. I don't care what race, country or religion he has. If that person comes to a country with good intentions. He is welcome.

He comes in to exploit the country, and do crimes, he is not welcome.
I'm a bit afraid, that the people with good intentions are also gonna pay the price.

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by Skybird

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8r5g5dezk4o


Obviously I strongly disagree with the preemptive pardoning of Fauci.

Skybird is starting to sound like a Trump voter.

[ET2SN]

Whatever..

[Aktungbby]

...having a miserble morning watching the inauguration of Stormy's gigalo in the capital rotunda...disgusting. Putin must be happy; his 'agent' is now in the oval office...again??:'Merika has made the same mistake...twice!

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

...having a miserble morning watching the inauguration of Stormy's gigalo in the capital rotunda...disgusting. Putin must be happy; his 'agent' is now in the oval office...again??:'Merika has made the same mistake...twice!

Mama Kamala and her left wingers would have been far, far worse.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by em2nought

Skybird is starting to sound like a Trump voter.

The mountain of evidence and indications that speak against him is now impressively high, and it is negligent to ignore it. He and many tens of thousands of other decision-makers and pseudo-experts wordwide who have deceived, lied and hoodwinked us all around the world, knowingly - including me at the beginning - and who are still lying and deceiving us, should be held accountable and locked away for the rest of their lives. In view of the sheer scale of their crime and the gravity of their guilt, I do not forgive them, all the less so as they have shown no remorse and have not corrected themselves to this day. No forgiveness - not now, not in the future.


Before forgiveness comes repentance. Before repentance comes insight. They are still completely unrepentant and only seek to get away with it, even to make their past deeds a pattern for future deeds.


No forgiveness from my side, therefore. Never. I still become furious about that I believed them initially, in good faith.


Lesson learned.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

Mama Kamala and her left wingers would have been far, far worse.

...oh yeah! "the lesser of two weevils"... His first 'executive order' on the news this AM will be to change the name of the Gulf of Mexico to: The Gulf of 'Merika!!?? The presidential candidate choices were so poor, I didn't bother to vote!

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

It remains to be seen how Immigration will be affected with Trump as President. You mention, " He wants to learn the language, work. Be part of society. With hoping to become a US citizen " .


This is essentially the essence of Immigrants and the proper way to go about it. The general consensus of the invaders from Mexico and South America is their sense of entitlement. They bring crime and wore out their welcome and hopefully will be removed in short order. U.S Citizens don't want to be made financially responsible for these invaders.

This is not enough-A survey made by the Danish government show that certain citizens in Denmark are consciously working to undermine society from within, despite they are consider being fully integrated.

(This was a little detour from US-policy)

Markus

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

The presidential candidate choices were so poor, I didn't bother to vote!

Only those who refuse to legitimize the show reserve the right to criticise afterwards, the others lose their right to complain about what they voted for!

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Only those who refuse to legitimize the show reserve the right to criticise afterwards, the others lose their right to complain about what they voted for!

95-99 % of the voters disagree with you-Only voters have the right to complain they say.
(I do agree with you fully)

Markus

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

95-99 % of the voters disagree with you-Only voters have the right to complain they say.

Yes, they do, but it's still wrong. Cognitive dissonance. They have to believe what they are saying, otherwise they have a justification problem with themselves that makes them look pretty bad.


Only the very youngest and inexperienced first and second-time voters can be given the freedom to experiment and try out what it's like to vote. But at some point you should start to learn from your bad experiences and realize what you get when you vote. And if you continue to vote from then on, then you really have no right to complain. You go from being an inexperienced follower to an active accomplice.

That's why they want everyone to vote so badly. That makes you an accomplice. And accomplices are no longer free from complicity in the misdeeds in which they participate.

Whoever legitimizes the crime through consent is as guilty as the person who actively carries it out. From some age and experience with life and people on you should know what and whom you are dealing with when voting for politicians and parties.

Its a bit like with this old quote about socialism: he who is no socialist when he is twenty, is an immoral egoist. He who still is a socialist when he is thirty, is stupid.

[mapuc]

Did he disappoint you with his speech-Did you expect more or did you expect less ?

I saw part of the speech.

Markus