Here we go again-Ukraine once again

[Jimbuna]

[mapuc]

^ Haven't it been so from the start of the war ? Ukraine attacking military things inside Russia and Crimea.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Not at the beginning when Ukraine were on the defensive.

[Jimbuna]

[Jimbuna]

Russia has launched a series of missiles at Ukrainian cities in the second pre-dawn attack in three days.

Pavlohrad, a logistics hub near the central city of Dnipro, was hit ahead of a much-anticipated counter-offensive by Ukraine.

The strike sparked a major fire, destroyed dozens of houses, and wounded 34 people.

Hours later, the air raid alert sounded across the country, with the capital Kyiv among the targets.

Across the country, the Ukrainian army said it shot down 15 of the 18 cruise missiles that had been fired.

[Jimbuna]

For the first time, China voted in favor of the UN resolution, in which the Russian Federation is called an aggressor, although previously it either abstained or voted against it.

5 well-known human rights activists voted against the resolution - the Russian Federation, Belarus, Nicaragua, Syria, and the DPRK

122 countries voted "for", 18 countries "abstained". In addition to China, this resolution was supported by India, Brazil and Turkey, which previously refused to participate in the vote regarding the aggression of the Russian Federation.

[mapuc]

If I remember correctly Russia doesn't care about life lost in battle-As long they
Archive they goal

Between 20,000 and 30,000 Russian troops have been killed and wounded in the battle for the Ukrainian city of Bakhmut since it began last summer, Western officials say.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64880268

Even Ukraine has a high number of KIA or WIA

In a statement to a defence meeting, posted on Telegram, Sergei Shoigu said Ukraine had lost 11,000 troops in February alone.

Markus

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

If I remember correctly Russia doesn't care about life lost in battle-As long they
Archive they goal



https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64880268

Even Ukraine has a high number of KIA or WIA



Markus

When your offensive has stalled and failed to capture any strategically important territory. If you use almost 400,000 men for this you have problems and are not going to be able to win, the Russians have so many problems and don't want to see it that this tactic is never going to work. If these numbers are to be believed 20,000-30,000:11,000 ratio 3:1 it is a win for Ukraine.

Afghan War (1979-1989) 600,000 Soviet troops sent to the country, of whom 14,751 died, the Russians learn nothing from their own history.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Dargo

When your offensive has stalled and failed to capture any strategically important territory. If you use almost 400,000 men for this you have problems and are not going to be able to win, the Russians have so many problems and don't want to see it that this tactic is never going to work. If these numbers are to be believed 20,000-30,000:11,000 ratio 3:1 it is a win for Ukraine.

Afghan War (1979-1989) 600,000 Soviet troops sent to the country, of whom 14,751 died, the Russians learn nothing from their own history.

No they seems not to.

Remember the number 11.000 is for February alone and is perhaps for the entire frontline.

Markus

[August]

Originally Posted by Dargo

Afghan War (1979-1989) 600,000 Soviet troops sent to the country, of whom 14,751 died, the Russians learn nothing from their own history.

But it does put paid to the idea that the Russians will never stop. They can and have been stopped more than once throughout history.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Dargo

ratio 3:1 it is a win for Ukraine.

Only if the Ukraine can afford its losses better than the Russians can afford theirs.

And "losses goes beyond the body count, but also includes the economical price. Its Ukrianian cities being wiped out, not Russian, and its Ukrainian industries and economy getting bombed into oblivion, not Russian, and its Ukrainian infrastructure, roads and bridges disappearing, not Russian ones.

And the Russians have more walking bodies to throw into the fire.

What I mean is its not so easy as to just refer to a ratio for both side's body counts. Ukrianian's position is logistically fragile, and this is its Archilles heel. Putler still plays the long game, assuming that Western support sooner or later will wane. That will allow him to "freeze" the confict in the status its now in, keeping the conquered territories. And Russia in some years coming back to bite off more.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by mapuc

If I remember correctly Russia doesn't care about life lost in battle-As long they
Archive they goal



https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64880268

Even Ukraine has a high number of KIA or WIA



Markus

Probably much higher seeing as that article is from March 7th.

[Jimbuna]

[Skybird]

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see post 10821

see https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-a...pport-tracker/

[Jimbuna]

Not disputing the above but I'd be surprised if the E$U has given more military aid than the US.

But of course, the EU is a grouping of many countries so a breakdown of individual countries would be far more accurate.