Europe's migrant problem - Page 72

August · 04-01-16, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

"Swearing" sub-topic continued here.

Off topic but your post reminded me of something.

You know what i'd like to see? Link titles like "here" display as underlined or bolded or otherwise highlighted so I don't have to mouse over to find them. It's easy to figure out where to click in your post of course but sometimes the link word or phrase gets hidden in the verbiage.

Sailor Steve · 04-01-16, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Off topic but your post reminded me of something.

You know what i'd like to see? Link titles like "here" display as underlined or bolded or otherwise highlighted so I don't have to mouse over to find them. It's easy to figure out where to click in your post of course but sometimes the link word or phrase gets hidden in the verbiage.

They are always underlined for me. I thought they were for everybody. Is it something in the settings?

August · 04-01-16, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

They are always underlined for me. I thought they were for everybody. Is it something in the settings?

Dunno. I see those links as just regular text in at least two of the forum skins. I do see them underlined and colored either blue or violet in quoted text when i'm in the editing screen though.

mapuc · 11-09-21, 07:37 AM

Following comment belong to our Immigration thread.

The situation at the border between Poland and Belarus is out of control.

I fear it will end with a war or clashes between these two countries.

Poland has asked EU for help. Well EU is very slow in making decisions and the members can't agree. So Poland is on their own in this.

Markus

Skybird · 11-09-21, 08:04 AM

The eu migration policy is a joke and a display of insanity, based on unreal illusions and maximum demands towards others and maximum impotence displayed by oneself.

The migration policy alone already would be reason enough to dismantle the EU and laugh it to the cemetery of history.

The currency policy alone would be that, too.

The energy policy alone would be that, too.

The ecological mission alone of the saints at its helm would be reaosn for that, too.

All together is an overdose of comedy. We laugh Europe into its grave.

Catfish · 11-09-21, 08:29 AM

Ask the polish PIS party what it intends to do, what it thinks about human rights and their "justice" system, throw them out of the EU and let them deal with the problem

mapuc · 11-09-21, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Ask the polish PIS party what it intends to do, what it thinks about human rights and their "justice" system, throw them out of the EU and let them deal with the problem

It's not only Poland who is having this problem.

Germany has it too. Each day around 1000 immigrants cross the border into Germany.

Markus

Skybird · 11-09-21, 08:42 AM

God forbid somebody asks the EU for some sense of realism instead of just claiming demands to others and replacing realism with absolute morality! Wouldn't that be impertinent!

"Wer um zu helfen halb Kalkutta zu sich nach Hause einlädt, hilft nicht Kalkutta, sondern wird selbst zu Kalkutta." - Peter Scholl-Latour
[: Whoever invites half of Calcutta to his home to help, does not help Calcutta, but becomes Calcutta himself.]

Catfish · 11-09-21, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

It's not only Poland who is having this problem.
Germany has it too. Each day around 1000 immigrants cross the border into Germany.
Markus

Yes, but i was not being really serious (see the Smiley). And there is also Lithuania of course..

If "we" (Europe) want to keep up the pretended moral highground or whatever it would be better to have a humane plan or strategy that deals with several problems, not only using "Frontex" to shut the borders; or pay dictators to hold back refugees.

mapuc · 11-09-21, 09:19 AM

Yes the Lithuanians are fighting with the same problems.

Some hour ago I read on a Danish politicians wall(FB)

I'm going to ask the Danish Minister of Foreign Affairs what Denmark can do to help Poland and I don't want to hear-We must await EU.

Markus

Skybird · 11-09-21, 09:33 AM

I see no realistic such plan. We cannot save all the world and shoulder all its burden. And we are also not all guilty for everything. And thus not all evils of the world are our responsibility.

We would have already both hands full with keeping our own houses in order. But not even that we get done. And even if we would do that in an ideal fashion I think it still would be greater a task, just this self-caring already, as that we could or should loaden all burdens of other people and cultures and regions and conflicts on our shoulders. And why should we even want to?

Nobody wants to see this, and thus the endless debates and discussions and talkings and blablabla. Evading the hard truths and evading getting our hands dirty in defending our legitimate selfinterests - by endlessly babbling.

Lady Word may not be more powerful than Mister Deed, but at least she surely can trip him up.

Catfish · 11-09-21, 09:39 AM

@Mapuc: If there is, as you rightly wrote, more than one european country being involved with immigration problems, i take it a solo effort is not the way to solve this?

It is high time that Europe makes a plan of course. If all states here agree to general human rights of all members of mankind, you cannot easily switch to nationalism though and build walls. If Frontex rather lets people die than help them, where does this leave us?

mapuc · 11-09-21, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catfish

@Mapuc: If there is, as you rightly wrote, more than one european country being involved with immigration problems, i take it a solo effort is not the way to solve this?

It is high time that Europe makes a plan of course. If all states here agree to general human rights of all members of mankind, you cannot easily switch to nationalism though and build walls. If Frontex rather lets people die than help them, where does this leave us?

The name of the problem is Belarus.

They have opened a flight line between Baghdad and Minsk.
This is done due to the EU sanctions against Belarus.

They-Belarus use these immigrants/refugees as front soldiers.

Markus

Skybird · 11-09-21, 09:54 AM

The only realistic plan can only be that states fall back to what their constitutional obligations are anyway and always have been: to protect their citizens and to safeguard their borders against unallowed trespassing. This is the only argument that could give even just a distant legitimation for the existence of "state".

And that includes the use of force. OF COURSE. If you rule out force, you already have lost, because you will get overwhelmed by sheer numbers and brain-free NGOs, they know you will not defend your borders or principles or yourself if only they show enough pressure on you. You loose.

Dirt on our hands. It will not work without it. It must not be liked. Its fully sufficient to just do it.

mapuc · 11-09-21, 10:19 AM

I agree with Skybird on this issue.

Since EU can't gather an united voice against this immigration problems. Each member has to deal with the problem them self.

Sweden want other members to open their doors fully. Germany has the same politics If I remember correctly.

Denmark says they want EU to stop or lower the number of Immigrants entering EU each year.

Markus

11-09-21, 07:37 AM	#1069
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,598 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Belongs to our immigration thread Following comment belong to our Immigration thread. The situation at the border between Poland and Belarus is out of control. I fear it will end with a war or clashes between these two countries. Poland has asked EU for help. Well EU is very slow in making decisions and the members can't agree. So Poland is on their own in this. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

11-09-21, 08:04 AM	#1070
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,752 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The eu migration policy is a joke and a display of insanity, based on unreal illusions and maximum demands towards others and maximum impotence displayed by oneself. The migration policy alone already would be reason enough to dismantle the EU and laugh it to the cemetery of history. The currency policy alone would be that, too. The energy policy alone would be that, too. The ecological mission alone of the saints at its helm would be reaosn for that, too. All together is an overdose of comedy. We laugh Europe into its grave. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

11-09-21, 08:29 AM	#1071
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,817 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Ask the polish PIS party what it intends to do, what it thinks about human rights and their "justice" system, throw them out of the EU and let them deal with the problem __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

11-09-21, 08:42 AM	#1073
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,752 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	God forbid somebody asks the EU for some sense of realism instead of just claiming demands to others and replacing realism with absolute morality! Wouldn't that be impertinent! "Wer um zu helfen halb Kalkutta zu sich nach Hause einlädt, hilft nicht Kalkutta, sondern wird selbst zu Kalkutta." - Peter Scholl-Latour [: Whoever invites half of Calcutta to his home to help, does not help Calcutta, but becomes Calcutta himself.] __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

11-09-21, 09:19 AM	#1075
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,598 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Yes the Lithuanians are fighting with the same problems. Some hour ago I read on a Danish politicians wall(FB) I'm going to ask the Danish Minister of Foreign Affairs what Denmark can do to help Poland and I don't want to hear-We must await EU. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

11-09-21, 09:33 AM	#1076
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,752 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I see no realistic such plan. We cannot save all the world and shoulder all its burden. And we are also not all guilty for everything. And thus not all evils of the world are our responsibility. We would have already both hands full with keeping our own houses in order. But not even that we get done. And even if we would do that in an ideal fashion I think it still would be greater a task, just this self-caring already, as that we could or should loaden all burdens of other people and cultures and regions and conflicts on our shoulders. And why should we even want to? Nobody wants to see this, and thus the endless debates and discussions and talkings and blablabla. Evading the hard truths and evading getting our hands dirty in defending our legitimate selfinterests - by endlessly babbling. Lady Word may not be more powerful than Mister Deed, but at least she surely can trip him up. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

11-09-21, 09:39 AM	#1077
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,817 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	@Mapuc: If there is, as you rightly wrote, more than one european country being involved with immigration problems, i take it a solo effort is not the way to solve this? It is high time that Europe makes a plan of course. If all states here agree to general human rights of all members of mankind, you cannot easily switch to nationalism though and build walls. If Frontex rather lets people die than help them, where does this leave us? __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

11-09-21, 09:54 AM	#1079
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,752 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The only realistic plan can only be that states fall back to what their constitutional obligations are anyway and always have been: to protect their citizens and to safeguard their borders against unallowed trespassing. This is the only argument that could give even just a distant legitimation for the existence of "state". And that includes the use of force. OF COURSE. If you rule out force, you already have lost, because you will get overwhelmed by sheer numbers and brain-free NGOs, they know you will not defend your borders or principles or yourself if only they show enough pressure on you. You loose. Dirt on our hands. It will not work without it. It must not be liked. Its fully sufficient to just do it. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

11-09-21, 10:19 AM	#1080
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,598 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	I agree with Skybird on this issue. Since EU can't gather an united voice against this immigration problems. Each member has to deal with the problem them self. Sweden want other members to open their doors fully. Germany has the same politics If I remember correctly. Denmark says they want EU to stop or lower the number of Immigrants entering EU each year. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat