UK Politics Thread - Page 703

kraznyi_oktjabr · 07-27-19, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

The charm offensive continues but where is all the money going to come from ?

If he continues at current pace, only "viable" answer is tax increases and pension cuts...

That reminded me of one somewhat ironic thing in the Brexit: tax paying, working age people are leaving the UK, while pension rising, elderly subjects are returning to enjoy NHS services as they no longer can do so elsewhere (as EU member state's citizens they were covered in other EU countires to certain extent). At the same time many educated, working age Britons are applying for Belgian, French, Finnish and other nationailities to continue working here.

I'm not saying this is deal maker/breaker, but its nice silver lining in this mess from Finnish (and propably Spanish as well) point of view.

Catfish · 07-27-19, 05:11 PM

It's like in the US, which probably is why Trump loves BoJo so much.

Johnson simply acts in a fact-free zone. There is no need to address any specifics, or actual evidence. He has crafted this technique with his anti-EU crusade, supported by xenophobe feelings. He simply talks and talks and talks like a steamroller, it does not have to be true.

But his unfounded claims and phantasies resonate with conservatives like Rees-Mogg who want their own forthcoming promoted, to be hidden - though officially supported - by the "imperial spirit".
Anything trying to introduce modern science or ideas is being regarded as a personal attack. They publicly claim that teamwork with other nations on an equal level would destroy patriotism and ENGLAND. When it comes to Ireland, Wales or Scotland, they are dismissed as lower colonies.

Bojo tries to impress by catchphrases and slur to avoid serious discussion, to connect with voters liking their resentment and bias to be reflected by a public figure or 'importance'.
Remains to see if voters fall for this.

STEED · 07-27-19, 07:11 PM

Bojo is clearly on the vote for me by making big promises and throwing money around like there is no tomorrow. Once again people are taken in what next, Bojo takes to the air and visits as many city's as he can. Well it worked for you know who...

Jimbuna · 07-28-19, 05:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catfish

It's like in the US, which probably is why Trump loves BoJo so much.

Johnson simply acts in a fact-free zone. There is no need to address any specifics, or actual evidence. He has crafted this technique with his anti-EU crusade, supported by xenophobe feelings. He simply talks and talks and talks like a steamroller, it does not have to be true.

But his unfounded claims and phantasies resonate with conservatives like Rees-Mogg who want their own forthcoming promoted, to be hidden - though officially supported - by the "imperial spirit".
Anything trying to introduce modern science or ideas is being regarded as a personal attack. They publicly claim that teamwork with other nations on an equal level would destroy patriotism and ENGLAND. When it comes to Ireland, Wales or Scotland, they are dismissed as lower colonies.

Bojo tries to impress by catchphrases and slur to avoid serious discussion, to connect with voters liking their resentment and bias to be reflected by a public figure or 'importance'.
Remains to see if voters fall for this.

What could possibly go wrong?

Jimbuna · 07-28-19, 08:35 AM

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No-deal Brexit now 'assumed' by government, says Gove.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49141375

Things aren't looking all that great atm but I'd still like to know how this will get past Parliament.

STEED · 07-28-19, 09:14 AM

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...on-tells-boris

Wonder who will or so speak out from the tory ranks in Westminster, one thing is for sure both sides are preparing for a Westminster bloodbath after the summer break. Most businesses are still not ready for a crash out.

So Bojo the clock is ticking the game of poker is coming to a end are you going to show your cards and money or are you going to run away.

Skybird · 07-28-19, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Things aren't looking all that great atm but I'd still like to know how this will get past Parliament.

Translates into: How will no-confidence vote and elections be avoided until Octobre 31st?

He seems to contradict himself in strategy there. He makes promises that obviously aim at winning the next election. Still any early elections are a very uncertain ground for the Tories right now, and he seems to repeat the same mistake that May once did: overestimating chances.

Anyhow, he is in a trap already. And he volunteered for stepping into it.

Catfish · 07-29-19, 03:25 AM

^ i guesss his "strategy" is to fend off Farrago in promising and trying to create even more hyperbole than the latter.

STEED · 07-29-19, 05:34 AM

Tories are in front of the Brexit party in the latest polls.....SO WHAT!

Bojo will be blocked by the EU and Parliment at every turn so watch the tories fall again in the polls.

Meanwhile Bojo is off to Scotland to sweat talk the fish wife and throw money at her. Once again we ask where is the money coming from, the magic money tree?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-49146480

In the world of business the CBI has warned the UK and the EU are not ready for a crash out.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49142762

Catfish · 07-29-19, 06:19 AM

@Jim: ^^^those Boris pictures are mean

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Originally Posted by STEED

[...] Meanwhile Bojo is off to Scotland to sweat talk the fish wife and throw money at her. Once again we ask where is the money coming from, the magic money tree? [...]

Boris Johnson also said he wanted to massively cut company taxes.
So maybe Steed has to pay instead

Seriously, if all else fails.. what about a united Ireland? Backstop would not be necessary.
What about Scotland?

STEED · 07-29-19, 06:46 AM

I'm not paying I don't pay taxes as I fall outside the tax band unless Bojo changes all that.

Meanwhile breaking news off the radio, the government will not talk to the EU if they don't remove the backstop and draw up a new withdraw agreement. The game of poker is on, who has the best poker face.

STEED · 07-29-19, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

@Jim: ^^^those Boris pictures are mean

Jim missed one where Bojo pushed that kid over in a game of rugby.

MGR1 · 07-29-19, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED

Meanwhile Bojo is off to Scotland to sweat talk the fish wife and throw money at her. Once again we ask where is the money coming from, the magic money tree?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-49146480

You and Jim may not like her (neither do I), but she and the SNP Administration in Edinburgh are a legally elected Governing body.

They're only doing what they see is in the best interests of their electorate, even if that clashes with or is against the interests of English voters. At least Holyrood hasn't been around long enough to need draining, unlike Westminster.

As for tax bands, my own opinion is that the tax free allowance should be scrapped altogether and everyone pays income tax, even if it's only nominal amount. That way everyone contributes into the system.

Mike.

kraznyi_oktjabr · 07-29-19, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED

Meanwhile breaking news off the radio, the government will not talk to the EU if they don't remove the backstop and draw up a new withdraw agreement. The game of poker is on, who has the best poker face.

Its damn good thing I'm not in the Commission! I would propably choke trying to avoid laughing.

Jimbuna · 07-29-19, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

@Jim: ^^^those Boris pictures are mean

Aye, he's a mean one alright

07-27-19, 05:11 PM	#10532
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,770 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	It's like in the US, which probably is why Trump loves BoJo so much. Johnson simply acts in a fact-free zone. There is no need to address any specifics, or actual evidence. He has crafted this technique with his anti-EU crusade, supported by xenophobe feelings. He simply talks and talks and talks like a steamroller, it does not have to be true. But his unfounded claims and phantasies resonate with conservatives like Rees-Mogg who want their own forthcoming promoted, to be hidden - though officially supported - by the "imperial spirit". Anything trying to introduce modern science or ideas is being regarded as a personal attack. They publicly claim that teamwork with other nations on an equal level would destroy patriotism and ENGLAND. When it comes to Ireland, Wales or Scotland, they are dismissed as lower colonies. Bojo tries to impress by catchphrases and slur to avoid serious discussion, to connect with voters liking their resentment and bias to be reflected by a public figure or 'importance'. Remains to see if voters fall for this. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

07-27-19, 07:11 PM	#10533
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Bojo is clearly on the vote for me by making big promises and throwing money around like there is no tomorrow. Once again people are taken in what next, Bojo takes to the air and visits as many city's as he can. Well it worked for you know who... __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

07-28-19, 09:14 AM	#10536
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...on-tells-boris Wonder who will or so speak out from the tory ranks in Westminster, one thing is for sure both sides are preparing for a Westminster bloodbath after the summer break. Most businesses are still not ready for a crash out. So Bojo the clock is ticking the game of poker is coming to a end are you going to show your cards and money or are you going to run away. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

07-29-19, 03:25 AM	#10538
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,770 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^ i guesss his "strategy" is to fend off Farrago in promising and trying to create even more hyperbole than the latter. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

07-29-19, 05:34 AM	#10539
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Tories are in front of the Brexit party in the latest polls.....SO WHAT! Bojo will be blocked by the EU and Parliment at every turn so watch the tories fall again in the polls. Meanwhile Bojo is off to Scotland to sweat talk the fish wife and throw money at her. Once again we ask where is the money coming from, the magic money tree? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-49146480 In the world of business the CBI has warned the UK and the EU are not ready for a crash out. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49142762 __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT! Last edited by STEED; 07-29-19 at 05:45 AM.

07-29-19, 06:46 AM	#10541
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	I'm not paying I don't pay taxes as I fall outside the tax band unless Bojo changes all that. Meanwhile breaking news off the radio, the government will not talk to the EU if they don't remove the backstop and draw up a new withdraw agreement. The game of poker is on, who has the best poker face. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!