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03-10-18, 01:14 PM | #1036 |
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Late last night, after I had shut down my computer I watched a debate which was a rerun from the afternoon.
In this debate there was four people each with their knowledge about NK, USA or NK-USA relations. As one of them said-An expert from a Danish university KJU will never give up on his nuclear program. When he said those words I remember another article where some said They would rather eat grass than give up. One thing is being an expert another thing is having right in a statement about things to come. I hope these expert, politicians and journalist are wrong and KJU see there is no need to have nukes. Markus |
03-10-18, 01:18 PM | #1037 |
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03-10-18, 03:31 PM | #1038 |
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Well, can anyone think of a reason why it would be in North Korea's/KJU's best interest to give up his nuclear weapon program? The entire basis of the North Korean ideology of Juche is self-reliance and the elimination of outside influence. This commitment to self-reliance is even in their constitution. We may not like North Korea having nuclear weapons, but it will be a tough sell to convince them that having nuclear weapons is not in their strategic best interest..... because it is.
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03-11-18, 04:36 AM | #1039 |
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That is what korean experts seemed to think (that they wont surrender nuclear weapons).
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03-11-18, 07:25 AM | #1040 |
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I reckon the best that the west can hope for is a small (in numbers) nuclear capability.
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03-11-18, 10:05 AM | #1041 |
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Also to bring North Korea back into the NPT so we can have IAEA inspections again. That would be a good start.
Part of negotiations is knowing what the other party is willing to compromise on and what they are not. It is poor planning on expecting the other party to compromise on something they are not willing to compromise. Demanding is easy, any politician can demand. Negotiation is a lot more difficult. What I fear is that the US will expect a compromise of NK doing everything that we want (eliminate their nuclear weapons). When NK doesn't, the US will then proclaim that "we tired negotiations, but NK was unreasonable. We have exhausted diplomatic attempts. " That's not how it works. This raises two important questions 1. Do we have anyone in the administration with experience in negotiating (not just demanding) international agreements between sovereign leaders? 2. Do we have a president who will listen? I hope the answer to both questions is yes.
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03-12-18, 12:17 AM | #1042 |
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Arms control (ie knowing what DPRK has) may be a good thing, but it is not on the table with the current trust issues. Some other measures may be required before we could get to arms control.
For example joint economics projects, student and academic exchanges, etc.
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03-12-18, 06:41 AM | #1043 | |
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Aren't we living in nice times, and the future is even brighter: Russia and its bully dictator Putin, North Korea's Jong-Un has the nuclear bomb, China thrives in total surveillance and control while just establishing dictatorship, Turkey has Erdoghan as a dictator, Poland is on the best way to it, Trump declares trade war, a.s.o. Glorious times, looks like the 1930ies all over again, version 2.0. Regarding economic projects, student and academic exchange this really had me laughing. With North Korea? With China? They already stole all they could get their hands on. Which student from a free country and a half pound of brain would voluntarily study in Russia, North Korea or China, or any other dictatorship? Oh, you meant the other way round. Of course...
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03-12-18, 06:55 AM | #1044 | |
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03-12-18, 11:16 AM | #1045 | |
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I want this peace deal to go through and open up the gates of the DMZ take out the land mines and let freedom roar.
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03-14-18, 05:39 PM | #1046 |
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Something feels wrong about the Trump-Kim meeting
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order...hat-you-think/
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03-14-18, 06:03 PM | #1047 |
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an interesting article. Thanks for posting that link
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03-15-18, 05:39 AM | #1048 | |
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03-15-18, 06:02 AM | #1049 |
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Yeah, I don't believe North Korea is sincere for a minute. There's no way they really intend to denuclearize.
... unless the US/SK are actually gearing up for a major strike and we just don't know anything about it. I doubt that.
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03-15-18, 07:50 AM | #1050 |
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This meeting should be avoided at all cost, it's just going give Un what he wants. A foot in the door to the world stage. Offering him free publicity by declaring him and N.K. a member and major player in the ever increasing club of nuclear powers. Which also equates to more power at home.
We haven't had a administration yet, even sincere feel good we are world negotiator ones, able to break bread with N.K. I wouldn't expect anything different with this one. I say we just keep the pressure on and keep turning it up until he does something really stupid and then either kick his arse or see if his own get rid of him.
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