I start to HATE living in Germany

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Von Due

I best end here or else I speak my mind about what I think of extremists and that is not going to end well.

Is a Nazi classified as an extremist? I would personally make that classification, but I guess it depends on what the definition of extremism is, and whereabouts you draw the line on it.
Is wishing death on someone or some section of society an act of extremism? Or is it idle internet tough guy talk?
Recent events in the UK have shown that for some the power of words can be quite terrible, and certainly I think there may be a need for people to consider that when they type or speak.
Cause and effect.

[Von Due]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Is a Nazi classified as an extremist? I would personally make that classification, but I guess it depends on what the definition of extremism is, and whereabouts you draw the line on it.
Is wishing death on someone or some section of society an act of extremism? Or is it idle internet tough guy talk?
Recent events in the UK have shown that for some the power of words can be quite terrible, and certainly I think there may be a need for people to consider that when they type or speak.
Cause and effect.

A nazi is an extremist in every sense of the word as far as I see it, as is any who promote hate speech of any sort. Extremism in thoughts and ideals is still extremism. The word is about the thought behind the word, the message the sender wants to deliver. A word in itself is as innocent as a newborn, ideas behind the word, the message the word sends, can be as extreme as anything.

An internet warrior punching his keyboard with caps lock on, is he an extremist? Depends on the real thought and real message behind the words. It can be extremism, it can be just another sad sod with no idea at all. Easy to tell which? Not at all. Quite difficult, rather if not just plain impossible at times.

The power of the word is indeed there and that is why it is important to expose whoever it is who spread really, really nasty ideas or just plain hateful and destructive ideas. Take this topic to the general terrorism thread and the power of the word has absolutely its place in that thread. To give anyone behind words of hate a green card, to cover for them, protect them from critisism, whoever they are, is the quickest road to the next terror attack.

As for this topic: Are you going to ask me if a flag is extremist? I'll say it's as extreme as the idea and thought behind it. It can be, it can be as innocent as a newborn. If you see people coming down the street waving the swastika flag, then you have very good reasons to think there are extremist ideas behind that and that flag then symbolises extremism that should be tackled. If you see the same flag on the wall in a WW2 museum it no longer represents extremism as such. Some people will misuse that and hide their extremist ideas behind some excuse that they are only pointing at history. It's bull and shouldn't be treated as anything other than bull.

[August]

Originally Posted by BL!TZKR!EG

Exactly. So instead of derailing by bringing up the usual PC-one-liners and/or personal attacks everyone commenting here should concentrate on these questions.

[Betonov]

Like I said before, the modern German flag has ZERO to do with Nazi Germany.
It has zero to do with the flag of the Empire Bismarck built.

I'm glad the Slovene ultra nationalists display the black panther of Carinthia.
Which is moronic in itself, a germanic duchy ruled by gemranic dukes being a symbol of Slovene nationalism

[Von Due]

Originally Posted by Betonov

Like I said before, the modern German flag has ZERO to do with Nazi Germany.
It has zero to do with the flag of the Empire Bismarck built.

this fact is very relevant to the OP the way I see it. When someone come ripping the flag off your car, thinking they are protecting innocent people, they are doing everything wrong and the only ones they protect is one group of people who hijacked the flag for their own agenda by saying "they are right, it really is their flag now and we can't do anything about it".

That is bull. One can do something about it. It's called reclaiming the flag to belong to all and everyone in that country.

[Mittelwaechter]

The whole issue touches a few problems not easy to solve.

There is a difference in expressing <<I'm happy to be part of the group I am with, or maybe even born into>> versus <<I'm proud to be [FILL IN ANY NATIONALITY/ETHNICITY/RELIGION], because we are superior, exceptional or the master race>>. Waving 'a flag' doesn't explain the intention. We should assume innocence and ask, if we feel the necessity.
Waving a flag intertwined with an indisputable message explains everything. If socially intolerable, we should prohibit the use of these symbols for political statement, glorification and agitation in public.

The gay rainbow flag is a symbol with message. It says: 'I am happy the way I am, I'm proud to be gay.'. It doesn't want to trigger intentionally. If you feel triggered, it's a problem of your tolerance towards freedom.
The Nazi flag is a symbol with message too. It stands for their master race ideology and wants to express superiority over other people. Waving it, you want to glorify the national socialism and it's bloody intentions and achievments. It is explicitly a symbol against freedom. It's a symbol for the intentional oppression of 'subalterns'.

Vae victis! Woe to the vanquished!
Some brown hearted still refuse to realize, their case is overmastered, their claimed superiority defeated.
(I'm not talking about fascism here. It's doing better than ever, just under different leadership)

Publicly waving a Nazi flag, a Ku-Klux-Klan banner etc. should be a no-go, no question.
But consequently all flags and symbols connected with cruelty, torture, genocide or mass murder should be prohibited in public. And here is the problem located.
Many nations have spilled their flag with blood and evil, but are still waving it with pride. It all depends on their success in being bloody and evil - and get away with it and write the history.
As original symbols of independence and freedom, their flags do have a morally legitimate base, but some have worn off over time and are considered symbols of evil, by those who suffered under their presence. I consider it justified.

The intention of a symbol is often a matter of interpretation, perspective, experience and realization. Those who show it and those who watch it may have a totally different sensation.
My symbol for freedom - the ability to control my own fate - may be experienced as the symbol of unfairness by others, because my freedom is abused to raise above others and draw from them.
My freedom to get wealthy may be many others fate to become poor.

We all know these psyched up muslim groups burning our western flags, showing their disrespect and contempt. They consider us as conquerers, occupying forces of their holy soil and villainous destabilizers of their societies. They consider us as greedy robbers of their resources, willing to kill their families to get what we want. Many have personal experience, have lost family members, others are motivated only by friends and priests.

Our doped up christian groups are not much better either, in showing disrespect:
Their disrespect doesn't come neither from suffering under an occupation, nor from social destabilisation, robbery of resources or killing of their families.
Some may have experienced personal confrontation with equally challenged fanatics of the rivaling team. Some others are stirred up by the stories told about these events - by friends and media.
(One may realize, priests and media have much in common)

Male group dynamics (+ disinhibiting alcohol) are escalating the willingness to top each other - no matter what culture.

[JU_88]

As someone who grew up as a filthy leftist I used to scoff at the phrase 'political correctness gone mad' but mad is indeed what it has become,
And I sense most people are getting really tired of it, myself included.
High time the west applied the brakes to PC culture, This business of 'your rights end where my feelings begin' has gone way further than it ever should have.

[Oberon]

Braaaaaaaaains

[Betonov]

While I despise SJWs, might I also ad that ''your rights end where my feelings begin'' can be applied to ther other side also.

''Gays shouldn't marry because they disgust me'' [example]
So what, religion disgusts me and I'm not trying to take away someones right to worship whoever they want.


My rights don't end where your feelings begin would make a ton of money if trademarked and printed on shirts. I mean the left and right would buy it like brötchen