Glad to see majority of Israeli voters...

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by MH

So what is the question??
What proof you want… about what?

Is the border that surround Israel correct ?

If Palestine shall have their own country where should the border be ?

Did the Palestine have they own country before 1948 ?

I know that England called the people that lived in the area where Israel and Palestine is today for Palestine people.

Will provide you with more question as they come by or as I remember them.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by mapuc

It's not the history AFTER 1948 it's the history before or should I say between year 66 and 1948

Markus

Why start at year 66?

[Oberon]

Always start in '66



And stop...apparently.

[Bubblehead1980]

This threat went to crazy town fast.First went into illegal immigration then into the indian faux grievance thread, to someone trying to nitpick over the use of majority and somewhat back to the issue.

Bottom line is Netanyahu won and enough voters in Israel still have a brain to keep him around, despite the efforts of our naive president and his cronies trying to influence things.Israel should breath easier because they have someone who can clearly see the threat and will not sacrifice his nation's safety to appease anyone.

The US has had great leaders like that in the past, we are due for one so hopefully in the near future will have one. Sorry to say but we are due for another major war and do not see any real way to avoid one with Iran unless regime change happens without it. As long as the savages remain in charge there with enough support of their people, and we have an empty but anti israeli suit(or pantsuit if the predictions of 2016 come true) it's a repeat of the 30's in the sense appeasement will not work, and will eventually have to fight them anyone, , except we are 70 years out and many of us head the lessons of history. so are doing our best to avoid such a disaster because this time, too many morons have nukes.

[mapuc]

We the people outside Israel think that the voters in Israel only have one thing in their mind-Iran

Nothing could be more wrong. The two main issue that occupied their mind was domestic problems such as the high prices

Iran came first longer down on the list

Said by Danish TV some days before the election

About Iran. How many years haven't the leader of Israel used Iran and the bomb as some kind of "cry wolf" ?

Markus

[Oberon]

[HunterICX]

First, my apologies to Mr.Bubblehead here for having stepped out of the boundaries and simply insulted.

So let me try again.

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

This threat went to crazy town fast.First went into illegal immigration then into the indian faux grievance thread, to someone trying to nitpick over the use of majority and somewhat back to the issue.

Bottom line is Netanyahu won and enough voters in Israel still have a brain to keep him around, despite the efforts of our naive president and his cronies trying to influence things.Israel should breath easier because they have someone who can clearly see the threat and will not sacrifice his nation's safety to appease anyone.

The US has had great leaders like that in the past, we are due for one so hopefully in the near future will have one. Sorry to say but we are due for another major war and do not see any real way to avoid one with Iran unless regime change happens without it. As long as the savages remain in charge there with enough support of their people, and we have an empty but anti israeli suit(or pantsuit if the predictions of 2016 come true) it's a repeat of the 30's in the sense appeasement will not work, and will eventually have to fight them anyone, , except we are 70 years out and many of us head the lessons of history. so are doing our best to avoid such a disaster because this time, too many morons have nukes.

How very illogical and contradicting,

Saying we're due for another major war (with Iran or war in general) is considering anything but safety, allowing your people to breath easily, trying your best to avoid such a disaster and having learned anything from history.

It's seeying a threat where there isn't any as Iran is mostly busy trying to supress it's own internal problems whilst paying little attention to beyond their borders. You may not like the regime like many in the middle-east but these regimes mostly mind their own business and not looking outside to stir up problems that'll backfire upon them.

Also would like to note, you guy haven't been out for 70 years...you barely lifted most of your boots out the middle east and you call out that it's due for another major war?

[MH]

Originally Posted by HunterICX

First, my apologies to Mr.Bubblehead here for having stepped out of the boundaries and simply insulted.

So let me try again.



How very illogical and contradicting,

Saying we're due for another major war (with Iran or war in general) is considering anything but safety, allowing your people to breath easily, trying your best to avoid such a disaster and having learned anything from history.

It's seeying a threat where there isn't any as Iran is mostly busy trying to supress it's own internal problems whilst paying little attention to beyond their borders. You may not like the regime like many in the middle-east but these regimes mostly mind their own business and not looking outside to stir up problems that'll backfire upon them.

Also would like to note, you guy haven't been out for 70 years...you barely lifted most of your boots out the middle east and you call out that it's due for another major war?

Iran is not paying mutch attention outside its borders… that is nonsense.
Internal problems Iran may have now should be credited in great part to sanctions for which Bibi had some credit.
…also I agree that iran is not the most importent issue for general public in israel yet it does not mean this issue should not be taken seriously

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by HunterICX

Also would like to note, you guy haven't been out for 70 years...you barely lifted most of your boots out the middle east and you call out that it's due for another major war?

MH has a point though, Iran is looking outside its borders a fair bit, into Iraq and Syria mainly because of the power vacuum being created there.

Now, I wonder who exactly created this power vacuum?



Makes you wonder what kind of terrible mess would be created if politicians who believe like Bubbles got their war with Iran. Would probably wind up creating that Caliphate that Daesh so desperately want.

[HunterICX]

Originally Posted by MH

Iran is not paying mutch attention outside its borders… that is nonsense.

Actually ment beyond what's around their borders. It's not meddling in affairs of western countries as the west does in the Middle Eastern countries.

Internal problems Iran may have now should be credited in great part to sanctions for which Bibi had some credit.

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I think it's more to due that the people and the regime have different ideas how one should live rather then the conditions the country is in. Iran (Persia) before the revolution was quite a modern society, the same can't be said about the policies of the ruling clerics you have now.

…also I agree that iran is not the most importent issue for general public in israel yet it does not mean this issue should not be taken seriously

It should be taken seriously, not denying that. Just not by going beyond the right and obligation to defend yourself by striking first.

[HunterICX]

Originally Posted by Oberon

MH has a point though, Iran is looking outside its borders a fair bit, into Iraq and Syria mainly because of the power vacuum being created there.

Yeh, I was actually meaning something else but my english at times falls short putting it into the right words

Now, I wonder who exactly created this power vacuum?



Makes you wonder what kind of terrible mess would be created if politicians who believe like Bubbles got their war with Iran. Would probably wind up creating that Caliphate that Daesh so desperately want.

And it's not going to allow the people of Israel allows to breath easier either and definitely not improve their safety.

[MH]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Now, I wonder who exactly created this power vacuum?



Makes you wonder what kind of terrible mess would be created if politicians who believe like Bubbles got their war with Iran. Would probably wind up creating that Caliphate that Daesh so desperately want.

Yes , Bush was definitely naïve selling democracy to bunch of nuts... putting aside his supposed motivations Iraq had an opportunity here after getting rid of of now so missed and loved Sadam Hussein.
Iran has great part in all the the mess as well...and now is pretending to be the reasonable side.

Bush made a big gambling mistake yet regarding the blaming war it is somewhat similar to Obamophobia and the usual political manipulation for masses from different perspective.
Besides that i always say...give some credit to the local people as well . People in the west have too high regard of themselves thinking they are guilty of everything.
It is almost? racist lol

I think it's more to due that the people and the regime have different ideas how one should live rather then the conditions the country is in. Iran (Persia) before the revolution was quite a modern society, the same can't be said about the policies of the ruling clerics you have now.

Yet the Islamic revolution happened no?
You also discard the sanctions right?

[HunterICX]

Originally Posted by MH

Yet the Islamic revolution happened no?
You also discard the sanctions right?

Yes it did.
No, I didn't discard the sanctions (I said that I think doesn't mean though that I'm right about it, it where just my personal thoughts)

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by MH

Yes , Bush was definitely naïve selling democracy to bunch of nuts... putting aside his supposed motivations Iraq had an opportunity here after getting rid of of now so missed and loved Sadam Hussein.
Iran has great part in all the the mess as well...and now is pretending to be the reasonable side.

Bush made a big gambling mistake yet regarding the blaming war it is somewhat similar to Obamophobia and the usual political manipulation for masses from different perspective.
Besides that i always say...give some credit to the local people as well . People in the west have too high regard of themselves thinking they are guilty of everything.
It is almost? racist lol

I do ponder if Saddam was still in power whether the Arab Spring would have resulted in either an Iraqi civil war or his removal. Failing that, I ponder how Iraq would have reacted with Syria in the state that it's in. Would he have moved into Syria in an attempt to capitalise on the situation in the way that Iran is now.

I don't so much blame Bush for all of the aftermath of the war, but I do blame him for putting it in motion, and creating the power vacuum in Iraq by removing Saddam. The west and Saddam did not see eye to eye, this much is obvious (despite arming him against Iran) but there is a saying about the lesser of two evils.

And all this talk of 'regime change' that Bubbles and the politicians who speak his language are going on about just sounds ominously similar to the sort of language that we heard from Colin Powell and Dick Cheney in the build up to 2003.

[vienna]

The interesting part of the whole "regime change" subject vis-à-vis GW Bush is how, during his initial campaign for President in 2000, he was most fervent and adamant in his assertion the US should not be involved in "nation building" and, by electing him to the Presidency, he would halt the practice. Here is a compilation of GW Bush the candidate in 2000 on the subject:



and the nutshell:



Too bad Bush, the candidate, never got to be Bush, the President...

...and we still live with the consequences, still escalating, of his failed "policies"...


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