Gunman takes hostages in Sydney - Page 7

Oberon · 12-16-14, 03:41 PM

The Army might well just kick the ruling class out again and sort things out themselves. It wouldn't be the first time. The ISI have tended to lean towards the Taliban as brothers of the faith though, but you're right, pressure is mounting and something is going to give at some point soon.

Dread Knot · 12-16-14, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

pressure is mounting and something is going to give at some point soon.

Possibly. When it conflicts with our comfortable ideology we humans seem to have quite a tolerance for atrocity. The Sandy Hook school shootings were just two years ago last Sunday and they barely got a mention in my part of the US.

Oberon · 12-16-14, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dread Knot

Possibly. When it conflicts with our comfortable ideology we humans seem to have quite a tolerance for atrocity. The Sandy Hook school shootings were just two years ago last Sunday and they barely got a mention in my part of the US.

I guess repeated exposure to such things dulls the shock value of it. Which brings us back to Jeffs comments earlier and the comparitive reactions between Americans and Australians over yesterdays events in Sydney. For an American it's just another day at the office, for an Australian it's pretty shocking.

That, or it's the age old situation of an unstoppable force (massacre of children by guns) hitting an immovable object (in the US the 2nd Amendment, in Pakistan the ISI/governments links to the Taliban and their reluctance to persue them).

eddie · 12-16-14, 05:42 PM

This was a sad event down in OZ, sorry to see something like this happen. What is hard to come to grips with is the revenge factor. But just like the lone wolf attacks anywhere else, how do you get revenge? Most of the time, the bad guy is killed during the attack, and all you are left with is questions of why did this have to happen here? Why did these people have to die who didn't do anything but be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Then its easy to fall into that trap of blaming a whole group of people for the act of one idiot.

So what are we left with, how do we react. With compassion for those who who are directly affected by this tragedy and the resolve to keep going, I guess. Not much more you can do against lone wolfs.

Eichhörnchen · 12-16-14, 06:37 PM

I believe eddie has expressed above what ought to be the sentiments of all right-minded people everywhere.

Jeff-Groves · 12-16-14, 07:09 PM

The attack on children? Cowardly in the most intense form of the word.
Any group that would allow/approve such a thing should be hunted down and exterminated.
In that area of the Globe? I could see Tribal Warfare breaking out as they do keep the revenge thing alive.

Buddahaid · 12-16-14, 08:12 PM

Your outrage at their "cowardice" doesn't mean a thing to them so don't waste your brain cells. This was all about creating terror to make a political religious point from people who do not value the lives of others.

Oberon · 12-16-14, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Eichhornchen

I believe eddie has expressed above what ought to be the sentiments of all right-minded people everywhere.

Agreed, the important thing is not to let them cow you, or force you into changing yourself in reaction. It's hard not to, all of us have changed since 9/11, but they want to force people into the 'them or us' mindset in order to draw more people to their cause.

eddie · 12-17-14, 12:05 AM

Oberon, what has happened in Sydney is a painful reminder for Americans as to what happened on 9/11, the shootings at Fort Hood, Sandy Hook, and the mass shootings at the theater in Denver. Its not another day at the office for us, its a painful reminder of what has happened here, especially for those who were directly affected by these senseless acts. I bet when the news got to the UK as to what happened down under, those who lost loved ones in the subway bombing in London suffered from painful memories also. How anyone could not be moved by these acts, must be numb, we sure aren't over here. We will help and stand by our friends in Australia just like we would for our friends in the UK. When something like this happens in OZ, like you said it is shocking, but its painful for us too!

Oberon · 12-17-14, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by eddie

Oberon, what has happened in Sydney is a painful reminder for Americans as to what happened on 9/11, the shootings at Fort Hood, Sandy Hook, and the mass shootings at the theater in Denver. Its not another day at the office for us, its a painful reminder of what has happened here, especially for those who were directly affected by these senseless acts. I bet when the news got to the UK as to what happened down under, those who lost loved ones in the subway bombing in London suffered from painful memories also. How anyone could not be moved by these acts, must be numb, we sure aren't over here. We will help and stand by our friends in Australia just like we would for our friends in the UK. When something like this happens in OZ, like you said it is shocking, but its painful for us too!

And yet there seems to be an almost, numbed reaction to school shootings these days. Even the news outlets seem that way:

ikalugin · 12-17-14, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

There is no shortage of people on this forum who gladly show their approval at attacks on children and go to great lengths to support their views and to demonstrate that in their view attacks on children can be justified.

So are you suggesting that those forum members should be exterminated?

Err who are those people?

Schroeder · 12-17-14, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

With a few notable exceptions they would be some Americans on the right of the political spectrum(American political spectrum) who consider themselves patriots.
Their view on whether killing children is acceptable and justifiable or an atrocity which obviously should be condemned will tend to vary between the two based solely on who it is who did the killing.

Maybe I missed a couple of posts but I don't think I've ever seen someone here who openly said that the intended murder of children would be justifiable. We're not talking "collateral damage" here but intended murder with no other target but the children.

Rockstar · 12-17-14, 07:33 AM

somebody has been sneeking into the liquor cabinet again.

Skybird · 12-17-14, 08:34 AM

"I will ride with you"...? Serious?

http://boess.welt.de/2014/12/17/mosl...n-guten-zweck/

A German piece. You can try to digest the autobot-translation by Google here:

https://translate.google.de/translat...%2F&edit-text=

Hit "translate", and scratch your head. The core point nevertheless may be understandable.

Jimbuna · 12-17-14, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

There is no shortage of people on this forum who gladly show their approval at attacks on children and go to great lengths to support their views and to demonstrate that in their view attacks on children can be justified.

So are you suggesting that those forum members should be exterminated?

Seriously outrageous and potentially grossly offensive to members of this community.

Seeing as I'm not 'the magic deletion fairy' (a name you invented here) and are currently online at my time of posting this I'll give you one hour to qualify, justify, or retract the above statement (3pm GMT).

12-16-14, 05:42 PM	#94
eddie Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,023 Downloads: 99 Uploads: 0	This was a sad event down in OZ, sorry to see something like this happen. What is hard to come to grips with is the revenge factor. But just like the lone wolf attacks anywhere else, how do you get revenge? Most of the time, the bad guy is killed during the attack, and all you are left with is questions of why did this have to happen here? Why did these people have to die who didn't do anything but be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Then its easy to fall into that trap of blaming a whole group of people for the act of one idiot. So what are we left with, how do we react. With compassion for those who who are directly affected by this tragedy and the resolve to keep going, I guess. Not much more you can do against lone wolfs. __________________ Don't mistake my kindness for weakness. I'm kind to everyone, but when someone is unkind to me, weak is not what you are going to remember about me. Al Capone

12-16-14, 08:12 PM	#97
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,327 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	Your outrage at their "cowardice" doesn't mean a thing to them so don't waste your brain cells. This was all about creating terror to make a political religious point from people who do not value the lives of others. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

12-17-14, 12:05 AM	#99
eddie Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,023 Downloads: 99 Uploads: 0	Oberon, what has happened in Sydney is a painful reminder for Americans as to what happened on 9/11, the shootings at Fort Hood, Sandy Hook, and the mass shootings at the theater in Denver. Its not another day at the office for us, its a painful reminder of what has happened here, especially for those who were directly affected by these senseless acts. I bet when the news got to the UK as to what happened down under, those who lost loved ones in the subway bombing in London suffered from painful memories also. How anyone could not be moved by these acts, must be numb, we sure aren't over here. We will help and stand by our friends in Australia just like we would for our friends in the UK. When something like this happens in OZ, like you said it is shocking, but its painful for us too! __________________ Don't mistake my kindness for weakness. I'm kind to everyone, but when someone is unkind to me, weak is not what you are going to remember about me. Al Capone

12-17-14, 08:34 AM	#104
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,660 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	"I will ride with you"...? Serious? http://boess.welt.de/2014/12/17/mosl...n-guten-zweck/ A German piece. You can try to digest the autobot-translation by Google here: https://translate.google.de/translat...%2F&edit-text= Hit "translate", and scratch your head. The core point nevertheless may be understandable. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

12-16-14, 03:41 PM	#91
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	The Army might well just kick the ruling class out again and sort things out themselves. It wouldn't be the first time. The ISI have tended to lean towards the Taliban as brothers of the faith though, but you're right, pressure is mounting and something is going to give at some point soon.

12-16-14, 06:37 PM	#95
Eichhörnchen Starte das Auto Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: The Fens Posts: 17,408 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I believe eddie has expressed above what ought to be the sentiments of all right-minded people everywhere.

12-16-14, 07:09 PM	#96
Jeff-Groves GLOBAL MODDING TERRORIST Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,654 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	The attack on children? Cowardly in the most intense form of the word. Any group that would allow/approve such a thing should be hunted down and exterminated. In that area of the Globe? I could see Tribal Warfare breaking out as they do keep the revenge thing alive.

12-17-14, 07:33 AM	#103
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	somebody has been sneeking into the liquor cabinet again.