Kind of ironic this happened...

[CaptainHaplo]

I really wish people would stop quoting trolls..... I have them on ignore for a reason - and you quoting them makes me see their stupidity.

There is no indication - much less proof - that Bubblehead was doing anything wrong. The fact that Tribesman is allowed to simply make continual baseless accusations against someone without repercussion is reprehensible and not in line with the values of this community. I continue to wonder why some are allowed to breach conduct rules and others are not.

To the original topic - the irony is that Bubblehead has discussed the real need to deal with illegal immigration before more people are victimized by those who should not even be here to commit further crimes inside our borders - and now he has become one of those victims.

I am simply glad that there was only property damage, and no injury.

[Father Goose]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

I really wish people would...

And I really wish people would learn how to use the "quote" and "multi-quote" tabs in order to actually name the person or troll who they are quoting.
Some of these people have thousands and thousands of posts and still can't seem to follow proper protocol.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

It probably would have, if bubbles hadn't kept trying to dodge the little inconvenient detail that is his conviction for drink driving.

This is a "little inconvenient detail" that you and you alone seem to think matters. I will point out that you have been flogging this single-minded idea with a vengeance and passion that indicate that you don't really care about discussing the issues, just attacking your target of the week. It would be nice if you actually discussed the issues for a change.

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

I really wish people would stop quoting trolls..... I have them on ignore for a reason - and you quoting them makes me see their stupidity.

The problem there is that you can't answer someone's statement without quoting them. Actually you can, but that leads to complaints about not following proper forum procedures.

There is no indication - much less proof - that Bubblehead was doing anything wrong.

This much is true.

The fact that Tribesman is allowed to simply make continual baseless accusations against someone without repercussion is reprehensible and not in line with the values of this community. I continue to wonder why some are allowed to breach conduct rules and others are not.

If you check different users' infractions you will find that is not true. It only seems that way when you are looking at certain threads.

To the original topic - the irony is that Bubblehead has discussed the real need to deal with illegal immigration before more people are victimized by those who should not even be here to commit further crimes inside our borders - and now he has become one of those victims.

True, but as usual he has done so in a way that invites criticism. He tends to sound more like a radio talk-show host than a person interested in serious discussion.

Tribesman needs to learn that kicking people just for the sake of doing it is not the way to conduct an argument.

Bubblehead needs to learn that shouting opinions and claiming them to be fact is not the way to conduct a discussion. Tribesman seems to get more slack than he actually does for that very reason.


All that said, it's sounding like it's time to bring out the ban-hammer threat again and ask people a little less politely - turn down the rhetoric and conduct an honest debate, or face the consequences.

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

bring out the ban-hammer threat

(Is this the part where we start postin' funny hammer pictures and the thread takes another turn?)

[CaptainHaplo]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

If you check different users' infractions you will find that is not true. It only seems that way when you are looking at certain threads.

Thanks for the reply Steve. Honestly - it may just "seem" like it based on certain threads - but the issue isn't thread by thread - its a continual and constant issue that continues despite whatever actions have been taken.

Personal attacks on other forum members are supposed to be not welcome here. At what point is the line drawn? When is "enough" truly enough?

Not my call - just voicing continued frustration. If I were out there always bringing up other people's views and personally attacking them for their past in a mocking way - how long would it be tolerated?

[Jimbuna]

Personal attacks, name calling and insults are not usually tolerated, of that you are quite correct but only when they become common place or things get out of hand is there a need for action.

Neal decides what stance in general terms moderators should take and I'm confident in my belief that a lot of leeway is given unless of course things go ballistic in short time.

To deviate from the above would bring outcries from the community of "censorship", "dictatorship" and "zero tolerance."

I believe it much better to appeal for calm and mutual respect and consideration for one another first before escalating to infractions and brig time.

[Bubblehead1980]

I would rather there be leeway than strict enforcement, it would feel more like censorship and quash a free flowing dialogue.Having said that, when it is painfully obvious that people are on a personal kick like Tribes and Vienna at times, mostly Tribes, some actions such as a
PM even are warranted.I rarely personally attack a member on here, they go after me because they have no argument, instead try to tear me down personally. This thread has been a great example, a very minor incident my early 20's that I believe in the long run was for best, as it made me understand some things.I mentioned this as it was relevant in another thread and tribes has tried to use it to personally attack me and say I had no room to be angry about an illegal immigrant running into the car that my girlfriend and I were in.We are innocent victims of this fool's criminal behavior. I can handle it but it does get annoying, especially when I am pretty sure if I heaved in such manner, I would be in the brig.I was put there for much less but as a conservative white male in 2013 America, I am used to not catching breaks many others enjoy.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

I I rarely personally attack a member on here, they go after me because they have no argument, instead try to tear me down personally.

Now I have to get personal again. They don't go after you because they have no argument. They go after you because you have no argument, but general complaints and wide-brush attacks on groups, which you claim aren't personal but you include members by association, thereby making yourself look innocent while attacking anyone who disagrees with you, just without naming names. That tactic doesn't make you any less guilty than those who come at you directly. If anything, they're being honest about their attacks.

That doesn't make the attacks right. That said, we allow them up to a point because of your own posting habits. They aren't entirely unwarranted.

This thread has been a great example, a very minor incident my early 20's that I believe in the long run was for best, as it made me understand some things.I mentioned this as it was relevant in another thread and tribes has tried to use it to personally attack me and say I had no room to be angry about an illegal immigrant running into the car that my girlfriend and I were in.We are innocent victims of this fool's criminal behavior.

I agree up to this point. I have also asked that the attacks stop here. I said it politely but it was not just a request.

I can handle it but it does get annoying, especially when I am pretty sure if I heaved in such manner, I would be in the brig.I was put there for much less but as a conservative white male in 2013 America, I am used to not catching breaks many others enjoy.

And that was the point at which you lost my agreement. You were not brigged for much less, though you keep making that claim. You were politely asked to do one thing. When you argued about it you were told why it was a bad idea. When you continued to argue you were warned. It wasn't until you chose to mock the moderator who was cutting you a lot of slack that enough was enough, and you were finally brigged. You were given a lot of breaks, and refused to listen. This is exactly what happens with some others here, and will continue to happen. You are treated no worse than anyone else here.

You now pull out the radio-host "conservative white male" argument. You could not be further from the truth, at least where Subsim is concerned. You are called on the carpet, disputed with, and mocked, not because of your beliefs, but because of your way of expressing them as absolute fact without ever offering any real evidence as to why anyone should believe them. It's your posting style that brings you this grief, and your unwillingness to address any real contradictions to your claims. You avoid any post that gives real facts, and if you occasionally do it's with vague denials, after which you wait a page or two and then bring up the exact same claim which has already been disproven.

No, with a couple of exceptions you do not have detractors here. You have people who see things differently, and do a fair job of countering your claims, to which you give replies that practically beg for mockery, then cry "personal attack" when someone does so.

You and your "detractors" are two sides of the same coin, and neither of you seem to be able to see it.

[Jimbuna]

I would rather there be leeway than strict enforcement, it would feel more like censorship

I've already mentioned that "I believe it much better to appeal for calm and mutual respect and consideration for one another first before escalating to infractions and brig time." "I believe it much better to appeal for calm and mutual respect and consideration for one another first before escalating to infractions and brig time."

PM even are warranted

There are people in this thread and many others I have PM'd warning of potential future consequences.

especially when I am pretty sure if I heaved in such manner, I would be in the brig

Are you sure? I have given you a warning on more on one occasion rather than going down a more serious route.

My advice to EVERYONE would be not to respond to anything such as baiting, insults or name calling...report a post and let the moderators sort it.

The alternative is matters getting out of hand and the moderator having no other option than to act in a remedial way.

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

There are people in this thread and many others I have PM'd warning of potential future consequences.

I'll vouch for that.

The alternative is matters getting out of hand and the moderator having no other option than to act in a remedial way.

(Is THIS where we do the funny pictures or still to early?)

[Father Goose]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

I really wish people would stop quoting trolls.....

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

The problem there is that you can't answer someone's statement without quoting them. Actually you can, but that leads to complaints about not following proper forum procedures.

To be clear, I don't care if you quote or not quote.
What I was trying to point out is if you're going to quote please include the "Originally Posted by", at least for the first quote. Steve did it correctly above in post 93 & 98. Then his following quotes did not have to repeat it since it was the same person. CaptainHaplo always does it correctly too. But others...

It makes it easier for the reader to follow who is being quoted instead of back-tracking through the thread to find who said what. That's all.

I mentioned this as it was relevant in another thread and tribes has tried to use it to personally attack me and say I had no room to be angry about an illegal immigrant running into the car that my girlfriend and I were in.We are innocent victims of this fool's criminal behavior.

Bubbles, do not misrepresent what I have said.
I have made no comment at all about you being angry. Your anger is perfectly understandable. Or as I put it earlier to Father Goose about the circumstances....
upset is natural.

My comments focus entirely on what you claim was your right at that time, and what in reality is really your right at that time(though of course your State does point out that it is a privilege not a right).

Oh and one more thing I think I should point out as you seem completely unaware of how the industry works.

The claims process is complete, adjuster she will be getting a check either friday or monday so they had no problems with me being behind the wheel, esp since it was in no way, shape, or form my fault.

Insurance is big money business. When that assessor/adjuster sends the check the claims process isn't complete.
It is at that point or even weeks later the file will land on the desk of someone like my wife, its amazing how many "straightforward" no fault payouts they flag up on simple things like disclosure.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Father Goose

And I really wish people would learn how to use the "quote" and "multi-quote" tabs in order to actually name the person or troll who they are quoting.
Some of these people have thousands and thousands of posts and still can't seem to follow proper protocol.

Originally Posted by Father Goose

What I was trying to point out is if you're going to quote please include the "Originally Posted by", at least for the first quote.

It makes it easier for the reader to follow who is being quoted instead of back-tracking through the thread to find who said what. That's all.

I was going to reply to your first quote but forgot. I completely agree; it's a real pain to go back and look to see who was being quoted. The Quote button is easy enough to use. Others have also complained about this.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

as a conservative white male in 2013 America, I am used to not catching breaks many others enjoy.

Ah, the centuries long struggle of the white male against the racism and prejudice against him in the world continues.

Help, help, you're being repressed!

[kranz]

I'm just wondering whether Tribesman keeps a record of us all here or only of particular users...