Subsim front page article that pissed me off

[areo16]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Why would I do that? The news team here does not make the news or the news articles, they simply collect and list exisiting news articles.

Just because you do not write the articles doesn't mean your not responsible for what is on your frontpage. Don't you have control of what is on your frontpage?

It's a redundant question. I know you have control of what is on your frontpage.

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Just an historical point. Albert Speer did not control the concentration camps, and insisted his whole life he didn't know about them. He also admitted this was by his own choice and that he should have known but intentionally turned a blind eye. Whether he was telling the truth about that is irrelevant; he was not accused of that during his trial. What he was accused of was transporting slave labor across national lines to work in his factories. He was indeed a leading party member.

But there was no political position called "Mr. Slave Labor". That's a silly title for a position, and I'm not sure why the other guy said that.
Way too much nonsense going on in his postings.

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I personally agree with you about the terminology involved, but find your anger a bit misplaced. Have you written to the newspaper in question complaining about this? Subsim is a tiny part of the World Wide Web, and what we do here has absolutely no bearing or influence on the real world. If it really bothers you so much you should be agitating for a retraction by the paper involved.

But I'm a member of this forum. This is where I found the article. If the Huffy wants to post Nazi this and Nazi that, then I wont lose sleep over it because I don't read the Huffy. But I do read the frontpage here. And subsim is responsible for what is on subsim's frontpage, whether boss man wants to accept it or not.

Originally Posted by areo16

Way too much nonsense going on in his postings.

Look who's talking!

Many people already stated that they are very fine with the article and the title. You are the only one who is not - your problem then.

I now wonder if you joined this board just to troll around. Because this is all you do since page 2.

Just stop.

[Catfish]

That's what the usual disclaimer is for.
"The operator of this website is in no way to be held responsible for the postings or links posted on this very site" (or something along these lines).

Really, this is a site that is about submarines. If 'the Huff' posts it that way, why blaming this site for it ?

Be sure the Huffington Post is not the only one using those titles, which are - in comparison to others - harmless.

[areo16]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

Look who's talking!

Many people already stated that they are very fine with the article and the title. You are the only one who is not - your problem then.

I now wonder if you joined this board just to troll around. Because this is all you do since page 2.

Just stop.

Mr. Nippelspanner,

I'm defending my position. That is a main component of an argument.

Please stop calling me a troll.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by areo16

Just because you do not write the articles doesn't mean your not responsible for what is on your frontpage. Don't you have control of what is on your frontpage?

And subsim is responsible for what is on subsim's frontpage, whether boss man wants to accept it or not.

What you are suggesting is a form of censorship.

From 'What are Subsim.com's editorial policies?'

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/faq....ules3_faq_item

We respect your freedom of speech, we ask that you respect our rules. You are welcome to express your opinion about games and other subjects.

You are free to express your views and comments if you abide by forum rules. You should allow others to do the same. I believe that the vast majority of members here have a great deal of respect for the fallen in any conflict and regardless of what side they fought for.

Originally Posted by areo16

Mr. Nippelspanner,

I'm defending my position. That is a main component of an argument.

Please stop calling me a troll.

You made your position very clear in the first post already and since then you are merely repeating the same thing over and over and over again. We got the message - yet you did not get the message from everyone else here.
It is futile to continue this discussion, for everything has been said by 'both sides' already, and the fact that you don't get this combined with the use of some funny arguments across the topic is giving me the idea that you are indeed just trolling.

Many tried to explain where you are simply wrong, yet you refused to see that. Can't help you then.

But silly me!
What am I doing besides feeding those who shall not be fed?
I'll never learn...

Time to bail out... again...

[areo16]

Originally Posted by u crank

What you are suggesting is a form of censorship.

Preventing forum members from talking about torrents, saying racial slurs, or insulting other members; is a form of censorship. Pick your poison.

Originally Posted by areo16

Preventing forum members from talking about torrents, saying racial slurs, or insulting other members; is a form of censorship. Pick your poison.

Uh... yeah right.
And I always thought it is keeping in good standing with the law and common sense not to insult people as n-word or something.

You're funny!
(Yes, yes...I bailed out I know...)

[areo16]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

You made your position very clear in the first post already and since then you are merely repeating the same thing over and over and over again. We got the message - yet you did not get the message from everyone else here.
It is futile to continue this discussion, for everything has been said by 'both sides' already, and the fact that you don't get this combined with the use of some funny arguments across the topic is giving me the idea that you are indeed just trolling.

Many tried to explain where you are simply wrong, yet you refused to see that. Can't help you then.

But silly me!
What am I doing besides feeding those who shall not be fed?
I'll never learn...

Time to bail out... again...

Again, stop calling me a troll.

Very rarely do arguments end in one side conforming to the opinions of the other. You put an atheist and a devout Christian in the same room, one will not conform to the others opinion by the second page of a thread.

I don't understand your reasoning.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by areo16

Preventing forum members from talking about torrents, saying racial slurs, or insulting other members; is a form of censorship. Pick your poison.

No, those are forum rules, which you should have read before you joined. A quick look at General Topics will show that almost any opinion is allowed and given..as long as you abide by the rules.

Are you suggesting no rules or stricter rules?

[Buddahaid]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriegsmarine

Since U-168 was built for and operated by the Kreigsmarine, crews were under direct command of Hitler and must have sworn allegiance to him personally as part of the Wehrmacht. That makes the the sub a Nazi sub in my book and no amount of whitewashing will change that.

[areo16]

Originally Posted by u crank

No, those are forum rules, which you should have read before you joined. A quick look at General Topics will show that almost any opinion is allowed and given..as long as you abide by the rules.

Just because they are rules doesn't mean they are not a form of censorship. They can be both at the same time, and they are both. If you prevent a subject to be talked about, or a word to be mentioned, then you are censoring.

Originally Posted by u crank

Are you suggesting no rules or stricter rules?

I'm saying that if we want to be politically correct, then lets be politically correct. Submarines don't have political affiliations. But they do have an owner.

[areo16]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriegsmarine

Since U-168 was built for and operated by the Kreigsmarine, crews were under direct command of Hitler and must have sworn allegiance to him personally as part of the Wehrmacht. That makes the the sub a Nazi sub in my book and no amount of whitewashing will change that.

They pledged to him because he was the leader of Germany, and the fact Hitler was a Nazi did not matter. The military pledges it allegiance to a dictator, irregardless of the dictator's political affiliation, because the dictator is the leader of the country. That's how dictatorships work. That's how monarchies work.

They pledged to the leader of Germany, because that is a German sub, first and foremost. The fact that the man was a Nazi is second to that fact. They would have pledged to Hitler if he was a dictator, even if he was a Communist. Because he would have still been the leader of Germany, first and foremost. It's a German sub, and the sub belongs to Germany.

[Buddahaid]

I'll fix that for you then. It was a Nazi-German sub.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany

[u crank]

Originally Posted by areo16

Just because they are rules doesn't mean they are not a form of censorship. They can be both at the same time, and they are both. If you prevent a subject to be talked about, or a word to be mentioned, then you are censoring.

Certain subjects are not allowed because that is the wish of the site owner. Censorship of opinions is another matter and according to the sites rules you are allowed to express an opinion within those rules. It seems that you are objecting to others voicing their opinions because they don't agree with yours.

I'm saying that if we want to be politically correct, then lets be politically correct.

I am not aware of any attempt by SubSim to be politically correct. Did I miss something?