Obama's purge of top military brass... - Page 7

Sailor Steve · 10-16-13, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Steve, where art thou? The thread has been hijacked...

How many times do I have to tell you? It wasn't about the thread going off course, it was about you spreading your personal hate and calling it fact. It wasn't about who did it, it was about you making a fight out of it when asked to stop. As for calling me out just to make a point, there is nothing stopping you from asking people to keep your thread on topic. If they give you an argument I'll back you on it. Your wording here sounds more like game-playing than a sincere effort to put the thread on track.

Since you brought it up, I notice you're still insisting that McChrystal's suspension is over "poker chips". I pointed out that the UCMJ is the law the military lives by. You keep conveniently ignoring that. It was hardly "nothing more than politics."

razark · 10-16-13, 10:23 AM

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This is why your thread has gone off topic. You throw biased statements out, and then complain when people ask you to back them up. You insult everyone that doesn't think like you and complain that you are being insulted. Exactly what have you done to move this discussion forward?

vienna · 10-16-13, 02:21 PM

I find it a bit odd no one has brought up the "revolving door" existing during the Bush administration: it seemeed every time a commanding General in either the Afghanistan or Iraq theaters brought up the lack of adequate equipment (e.g., 'hillbilly humvees', no flak jackets, etc.), non-responsivness of the civilian leadership (Sec. of Defense, White House), or the lack of sufficient troop strength to fully perform objectives, they were very, very soon shown the door. It is one thing to sack a commander for cause such as moral terpitude, or other misbehavior, but an entirely different matter to sack a commander who was trying to do his duty while being undermined by the the political needs of a bumbling administration. Where was the outrage when Cheney/Bush were sullying the otherwise solid reputation of commanders for really no other reason than they, the commanders chose to speak up in the best interests of their men, their mission, and, ultimately, their country?...

Talk about a double standard...

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Bubblehead1980 · 10-16-13, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by vienna

I find it a bit odd no one has brought up the "revolving door" existing during the Bush administration: it seemeed every time a commanding General in either the Afghanistan or Iraq theaters brought up the lack of adequate equipment (e.g., 'hillbilly humvees', no flak jackets, etc.), non-responsivness of the civilian leadership (Sec. of Defense, White House), or the lack of sufficient troop strength to fully perform objectives, they were very, very soon shown the door. It is one thing to sack a commander for cause such as moral terpitude, or other misbehavior, but an entirely different matter to sack a commander who was trying to do his duty while being undermined by the the political needs of a bumbling administration. Where was the outrage when Cheney/Bush were sullying the otherwise solid reputation of commanders for really no other reason than they, the commanders chose to speak up in the best interests of their men, their mission, and, ultimately, their country?...

Talk about a double standard...

<O>

Nothing can do to change that, it was wrong then, wrong now.I will say the difference is Bush Admin were saving face after a major blunder of a war.The Obama Admin, there is something more to it.There are a lot of reports the new litmus test for Generals etc is "Would you give the order to your forces to fire on american citizens if ordered to?" Those who refuse to do so are shown the door quickly after. Of course they can not be fired for that or the public can not know that is why, so things have to be manufactured or they spy and wait for them to slip up, as human beings do.Now, none of this can be confirmed but given the nature of obama, his influences, contempt for the constitution and people etc it would not surprise me one bit.

Eventually, someone will be brave enough to step forward.Took a while for a Edward Snowden to come forward, but he did and eventually, perhaps one of these Generals or Admirals will speak out.

10-16-13, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

There are a lot of reports the new litmus test for Generals etc is "Would you give the order to your forces to fire on american citizens if ordered to?" Those who refuse to do so are shown the door quickly after.

Prove it. With links to credible sources.

TarJak · 10-16-13, 09:58 PM

I'd like to see how many reports of this litmus test there are and who besides CT believer's are reporting it.

I could say that I've heard numerous reports that giant planet eating star goats are approaching the Earth and will cause the destruction of the Earth when they arrive. But no one else will believe it without some form of evidence that there are more reports than those in my mind.

Sailor Steve · 10-16-13, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Now, none of this can be confirmed but given the nature of obama, his influences, contempt for the constitution and people etc it would not surprise me one bit.

So you admit that you're guessing, wishing and hoping.

Bubblehead1980 · 10-16-13, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by AndyJWest

Prove it. With links to credible sources.

Credible is a subjective term anyways.A lot of people find Dianne Sawyer credible news reporter, yet many do no believe a word she says.Yes, reports have been on been on right leaning sites, does not mean it is not true, just can't be proven yet.Like I said, given obama's nature, predisposition to violating constitution etc, I find it likely. Did not say it was a fact(yet), but likely. Besides, it's pretty well established the "mainstream" media are on the side of obama.NBC/MSNBC should just be called the white house propaganda network so even if there was a video of obama admitting to this, not like it would get much play there.

Dr Jim Garrow, a nobel peace prize nominee apparently claimed a senior military leader told him this.Sounding the alarm perhaps? Can prove it right now? Apparently not, and if it was Bush I would probably doubt it, would not mesh with his personality but this absolutely fits obama is many ways, it's sad, funny, yet incredibly scary.Hopefully someone will speak out soon.

Bubblehead1980 · 10-16-13, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

So you admit that you're guessing, wishing and hoping.

NO, I hope it is not true but am saying if it is, I won't be shocked given obama's nature, it makes a lot of sense.Also, when Woodward and Bernstein were writing about Watergate in the Washington Post, many people and major newspapers didn't believe them due to their anonymous source. They were ridiculed etc for criticizing the president, but look who won.

TarJak · 10-16-13, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Besides, it's pretty well established the "mainstream" media are on the side of obama.NBC/MSNBC should just be called the white house propaganda network so even if there was a video of obama admitting to this, not like it would get much play there.

Cough FOX NEWS cough.

Sailor Steve · 10-16-13, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Like I said, given obama's nature, predisposition to violating constitution etc, I find it likely.

Given your continual harping on McChrystal and your careful avoidance of the fact I presented concerning the law, and given your inability to show even one shred of evidence, I would find it highly unlikely. You have been asked to show any facts at all several times, and every time you have failed to present anything resembling evidence. It's time for you to come up with something more concrete than what you would find likely.

Sailor Steve · 10-16-13, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

NO, I hope it is not true but am saying if it is, I won't be shocked given obama's nature, it makes a lot of sense.

You say you hope it's not true, yet you do everything within your power to convince others that it is. The two don't jibe.

Onkel Neal · 10-16-13, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Steve, where art thou? The thread has been hijacked...

Bubblehead1980 · 10-16-13, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Given you continual harping on McChrystal and your careful avoidance of the fact I presented concerning the law, and given your inability to show even one shred of evidence, I would find it highly unlikely. You have been asked to show any facts at all several times, and every time you have failed to present anything resembling evidence. It's time for you to come up with something more concrete than what you would find likely.

I do not care if McChrystal broke regs especially if it was private convo, not on the record and he made a remark.Steve, you will disagree with anything I say, so it is what its like.Just because can not prove something right at moment, does not make it not true.

I am sure if you really looked into obama and understood this "man", you would see how it fits.Like I just said, Woodward and Bernstein did not have proof initially, it later came out.Obama counts on people like you who unwisely given him the benefit of the doubt despite the pattern of behavior.Then again, that is part of the game, keep us fighting amongst ourselves, takes attention away from what his government is doing.

Bubblehead1980 · 10-16-13, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Glad you picked up on the bit of playful sarcasm lol

10-16-13, 10:23 AM	#92
razark Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2,731 Downloads: 393 Uploads: 12	Posts in thread: 9 Sources provided: 0, aside from "I read his book" Other posters' requests for sources: 9 Other posters suggestions of sources: 6 This is why your thread has gone off topic. You throw biased statements out, and then complain when people ask you to back them up. You insult everyone that doesn't think like you and complain that you are being insulted. Exactly what have you done to move this discussion forward? __________________ "Never ask a World War II history buff for a 'final solution' to your problem!"

10-16-13, 02:21 PM	#93
vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,719 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	I find it a bit odd no one has brought up the "revolving door" existing during the Bush administration: it seemeed every time a commanding General in either the Afghanistan or Iraq theaters brought up the lack of adequate equipment (e.g., 'hillbilly humvees', no flak jackets, etc.), non-responsivness of the civilian leadership (Sec. of Defense, White House), or the lack of sufficient troop strength to fully perform objectives, they were very, very soon shown the door. It is one thing to sack a commander for cause such as moral terpitude, or other misbehavior, but an entirely different matter to sack a commander who was trying to do his duty while being undermined by the the political needs of a bumbling administration. Where was the outrage when Cheney/Bush were sullying the otherwise solid reputation of commanders for really no other reason than they, the commanders chose to speak up in the best interests of their men, their mission, and, ultimately, their country?... Talk about a double standard... <O> __________________ __________________________________________________ __

10-16-13, 09:58 PM	#96
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	I'd like to see how many reports of this litmus test there are and who besides CT believer's are reporting it. I could say that I've heard numerous reports that giant planet eating star goats are approaching the Earth and will cause the destruction of the Earth when they arrive. But no one else will believe it without some form of evidence that there are more reports than those in my mind.