Obamacare

That is the sad part, the 16th amendment is unamerican to begin with, fact we have to report income to the government and give a percentage of it without consent, now showing proof of insurance, it's just the most outrageous thing.

What's un-American about it ?
you had a revolution with the slogan no taxation without representation. you got the representation so you should be fine with the taxation
Taxation with representation, its what the founding fathers wanted, its un American to go against it.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Wait, Bubbles. You dislike viewing the Constitution as A living document - except for the parts you don't like.

No, I accept that the 16th amendment is law unfortunately, but it's something the progressives rammed through back in 1913, the founders would have never been okay with it, it is unamerican for the government to get a piece of my income.Sales tax etc, okay, I purchase things, but taking a percentage of my income? its WRONG and essentially unamerican.How DARE you accuse me of believing in that garbage theory. No idea what you are talking about! I did not try say amendment means something different than what is says.I simply said it is wrong, should have never been and hope, one day we can do away with it if our people would rise up, perhaps we could.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

What's un-American about it ?
you had a revolution with the slogan no taxation without representation. you got the representation so you should be fine with the taxation
Taxation with representation, its what the founding fathers wanted, its un American to go against it.

Taking taxes directly from income is pretty unamerican, this was progressive crap pushed so would have money for WW I. The money feeds the beast known as the federal government. I would not expect you to understand though. How can people not think it is just wrong to have to turn over a portion of your income to the government? That goes against what this country was supposed to be about, the 16th amendment is a big part of our problem.

Taking taxes directly from income is pretty unamerican, this was progressive crap pushed so would have money for WW I. The money feeds the beast known as the federal government.

It goes back 50 years before that and then goes back 50 years before that too when that bloke who wrote the bill of rightsy things discovered that dreams tend to fall apart rather rapidly when they meet reality, which is something that happens to all revolutionary idealists after the revolution is over and they have to run things in the real world.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Taking taxes directly from income is pretty unamerican[..]

This is being done today in many countries, and they do quite well. The money is spent
on funding things such as free school meal, free healthcare, free dental service and so on.

Is that REALLY so bad?

[TarJak]

Originally Posted by Dowly

This is being done today in many countries, and they do quite well. The money is spent
on funding things such as free school meal, free healthcare, free dental service and so on.

Is that REALLY so bad?

It must be because they are not American and are therefore unamerican. /sarcasm

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Taking taxes directly from income is pretty unamerican, this was progressive crap pushed so would have money for WW I. The money feeds the beast known as the federal government. I would not expect you to understand though. How can people not think it is just wrong to have to turn over a portion of your income to the government? That goes against what this country was supposed to be about, the 16th amendment is a big part of our problem.

It's the American way! Bubbles, realize the money goes to many other things the gov't oversees. Things you don't think about but use everyday. Sure, some of the money goes to things you don't like but a majority goes to things you do like. And need. It's hard not to see the bad. Try to focus on the good it does. You will have much happier days.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Dowly

This is being done today in many countries, and they do quite well. The money is spent
on funding things such as free school meal, free healthcare, free dental service and so on.

Is that REALLY so bad?

YES, not my job to pay for everyone else, or the next guys.They funded things via other taxes, my money should be my money, not forcibly taken just because I made it, if its taken by a reasonable sales tax, okay, but income tax is wrong.Really, it is irrelevant what other countries have, we were supposed to be different and were for a long time, if we are to survive, we must adjust some things.Liberty, economic liberty especially can only be achieved if we get rid of the 16th amendment and the bonus would be to starve the beast .

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

It's the American way! Bubbles, realize the money goes to many other things the gov't oversees. Things you don't think about but use everyday. Sure, some of the money goes to things you don't like but a majority goes to things you do like. And need. It's hard not to see the bad. Try to focus on the good it does. You will have much happier days.

That is like saying, well the guy robbed me but he is feeding his family.No, it's not supposed to be the american way.Our "tolerance" allowed the cancer of "progressivism" to move in, we are almost dead from it, perhaps we will find the cure, many of us know it, just need to get everyone to wake up.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Dowly

This is being done today in many countries, and they do quite well. The money is spent
on funding things such as free school meal, free healthcare, free dental service and so on.

Is that REALLY so bad?

Not only does it take no state and no national politicians with their own fiscal interests to collect taxes, but you also do not mention the many ways in which said politicians and states waste, misuse, and steal such taxes. You also ignore that people today, the ordinary John Smith, nowadays pays more than half of his income for mandatory taxes and insurances, in Western states. More than half of the ordinary worker's or employee's income gets taken without them ever having agreed to that.

Before WWI, it was 5-8%.

Finally you ignore that politicians lie when they say the latest round in tax raises is needed to pay for infrastructure, education and such. The by far fastest growing leak in the fiscal system of states is - pensions, and debts interest services and debt refinancing.

And both will explode in the forseeable future. Leading to more money printing, more taxes, more money devaluing - and so: more debts, more taxes...

"Social affairs" is the most prominent single share in the German budget list,and I bet it is like that with most European states. That is no investment into the future, but is a strategy turning the face backwards and towards the past. It is a strategy that hopes to buy some more time before judgment day comes, to delay it until one has left the party, is no longer in office, will no longer be held responsible.

[eddie]

Originally Posted by Dowly

This is being done today in many countries, and they do quite well. The money is spent
on funding things such as free school meal, free healthcare, free dental service and so on.

Is that REALLY so bad?

Yes it is Dowly, especially to a Republican! There is no profit in that, so its unAmerican.

[CaptainMattJ.]

http://www.whitehouse.gov/2012-taxreceipt

Good luck trying to support the military, among all the things listed in the link above, on no income tax, bubblehead. Did you just assume the military runs on faith?

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by CaptainMattJ.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/2012-taxreceipt

Good luck trying to support the military, among all the things listed in the link above, on no income tax, bubblehead. Did you just assume the military runs on faith?

Exactly, we don't need the huge military we have.The military we have is designed to maintain and empire basically, empires don't last, our time is up.We could fund a military to provide actual defense, have a large reserve and thats it, but that would starve the military industrial complex Eisenhower warned about so many years ago.

That was the whole point of the 16th amendment, to grow the government and give Wilson the ability to build anmilitary capable of mounting an meaningful intervention in a european war we had no business in.This legacy continues today, along with the massive socialism we have, need to starve the best if we are going to save the country.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by TarJak

It must be because they are not American and are therefore unamerican. /sarcasm

CONSPIRACY!!

Good luck trying to support the military, among all the things listed in the link above, on no income tax, bubblehead. Did you just assume the military runs on faith?

Yep, that's where Madison ran into the wall of reality in the early 1800s.

Exactly, we don't need the huge military we have.

That's exactly what Madison would have said just before he said build me a big army and a navy and more guns and a better militia and proper officers. So much for the founding fathers eh?