Cheney Admits that He Lied about 9/11

Iraq: Shias and Sunnis share the same race, language, culture, religion, live in the same neighborhhoods and intermarry regularly.

Wow...just wow.
I think that deserves a

Can you just run off a quick list of the ethnicities and languages of Iraq, maybe give a brief history of the religious conflicts between these "same" religions you speak of.
Maybe touch on the Kurd/Turkoman/Assyrian problems then add in the arab problems with those communities too, possibly deal with the aftermath and consequences of Uncle saddams arabification program, then for good measure mix in the Persian element for some real fun and giggles.
Blimey some of the Ma'dan even speak Aramaic, hows that for culture eh?

South Africa: Blacks and whites do not share the same race, culture, live in different neighborhoods, do not intermarry regularly. Blacks took complete control of a government, army, police, courts which had been dominated by whites. Yet on the whole, the transition to black majority rule has been peaceful.

It could be said that the transition followed a long running low level civil war which led to the peace process.
I suppose mixing in the conflicts between the various black groups for their own political/tribal agendas might be taxing you a bit much. So how about something easier like the British/Dutch/Indian/Cape Coloured differences.
Or is it all just black and white to you?

As far as I can see, none discuss the possibility of a Shia-Sunni civil war.

So you didn't see things like.
The knock-on effects of an Iraq war - a Sunni-Shia civil war 29/12/2002.?

[geetrue]

Foresight is not my best quality, but hindsight I have plenty of ...

Iraq was a wise move in many respects ... I am so sorry for the thousands of US and allied troops that died and were maimed or injured, but in hindsight they did a valuable service to America.

A certain crazy indvidual, Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi, with a small nuclear weapon was going to destroy America and then blame the crazyman of Iraq President Saddam Hussein, but the Gulf war of August 1990 caused all of that to change.

Both Presidents named Bush have Chenny to thank ... I know I do.

No proof, no links, nothing I will admit to, but true never less.

They were friends of course: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,...#ixzz2NjkphaVC

Saddam Hussein has made secret plans for his family and leading members of his regime to be given political asylum in Libya in the event of a war with America or a successful internal coup in Baghdad.


The extraordinary steps taken by the Iraqi leader to provide an exit strategy for key relatives and associates, which includes paying $3.5 billion into Libyan banks, provide the first evidence that Saddam is now facing up to the prospect of being toppled from power.


Even as he makes public statements of defiance and vows to defend his country against an American invasion, The Times has learnt that Saddam’s secret emissaries have been visiting Libya and Syria to ensure that there is an escape route for his family and top cronies.


The deal with Tripoli does not include providing refuge for Saddam or for Uday, his eldest son

Obama himself may have a few secrets, but instead of lying like they now out and out say that Chenny did, they call it talking points

Iraq was a wise move in many respects ...

Name one.
Then again.....

the Gulf war of August 1990 caused all of that to change

Are you talking about the other war?
If so then you are correct, the UN sanctioned liberation of Kuwait was a wise move.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by geetrue

Iraq was a wise move in many respects ...

At first I was like and then I was all

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

So you didn't see things like.
The knock-on effects of an Iraq war - a Sunni-Shia civil war 29/12/2002.?

so, you have plenty of articles which support your point, but I have to find them?

well that's novel.

btw did you see "No one predicted a Shia-Sunni civil war"

btw did you see "No one predicted a Shia-Sunni civil war"

Do you have a date for an article?
Nice try, but any article with that line would have had to be printed after the events

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Do you have a date for an article?
Nice try, but any article with that line would have had to be printed after the events

typical Tribesman, when you can't back up an argument, change the subject.

unless you post a relevant link, there are no articles which predicted a Shia-Sunni civil war, so it was not that obvious to everyone.

typical Tribesman, when you can't back up an argument, change the subject.

It responded to your post, how is that changing the subject?
You wrote the words.
Such a statement can only have been made after a civil war.

unless you post a relevant link, there are no articles which predicted a Shia-Sunni civil war, so it was not that obvious to everyone.

Keep digging.
Answer this, if prior to the invasion Wolfowitz and Rummy both made statements rejecting the predictions of civil war what predictions are they rejecting?
If Wolfowitz 3 months after the invasion says he was wrong to reject the predictions what predictions did he reject?
Now I could go all State dept. on you with predictions, but as it became a military matter can you name the two senior US generals who predicted it and were attacked by the administration for saying the troop levels were insufficient to address the "inevitable ethnic based conflict" that would follow?

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Keep digging.

No link?

No link?

No link is needed.
And I do wish Vienna hadn'd edited in that 9/11 link earlier as that would have been fun dealing with those faulty memories some people have considering the US opinion polls from the time showed vast proportions of the US population had clearly swallowed that bullexcrement hook line and sinker.

hey its a new one Bilge.
NYT, are we about to open an arab yugoslavia?

I like "congenitally divided", a pretty good turn of phrase about the ethnic division existing in the country.

Not of course suggesting that the NYT loved saddam , after all they follow with.
"Does that mean we should rule out war? No. But it does mean that we must do it right. To begin with, the president must level with the American people that we may indeed be buying the Arab Yugoslavia".

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

hey its a new one Bilge.
NYT, are we about to open an arab yugoslavia?

I like "congenitally divided", a pretty good turn of phrase about the ethnic division existing in the country.

Not of course suggesting that the NYT loved saddam , after all they follow with.
"Does that mean we should rule out war? No. But it does mean that we must do it right. To begin with, the president must level with the American people that we may indeed be buying the Arab Yugoslavia".

not sure if I follow, do I have to find the link for this one too?

do I have to find the link for this one too?

You can if you want, do you want the date?

Though I think you realise that not only is there no shortage of articles warning of the obvious, but that politicians and the military all warned about the obvious too.

[Bilge_Rat]

If you want to discuss Syria, fine.

If you want to keep discussing Iraq, I stand by my point that no one predicted a Shia-Sunni civil war before the event. Unless you can show otherwise, let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

On Syria, I think it should be obvious to everyone that the U.S. will never, ever intervene in the present conflict. UK and France, if they are so hot, can do it on their own. The most you may get is limited air support as in Libya or Mali.

[geetrue]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

At first I was like and then I was all

I still respect you mookie, from the last election alone I respect you, but you have no way of knowing what that crazy man Saddam would've done if he of stayed in power.

The picture of Sadddam looking like a street person living out of a taxi with a brief case of over $100,000 is enough to convince me that both Bushes and Cheney did the right thing and were the right people for the job.