How's the hold out crowd holding up? - Page 7

Frederf · 03-19-10, 08:35 PM

I appreciate the direction that SH5 has gone philosophically. WASD and being a "captain sim" and all that. I'm still not going to "get into the game" as yet because the execution is completely half-baked.

Half of the features have been lost in the player-interaction scheme changeover and we were dreadfully lacking in ability in SH3/4. The "you gotta run around and interact with crew" concept is absolutely sabotaged by the do-everything periscope interface and arcade-style minimap.

Yak · 03-19-10, 09:21 PM

Holding Fast.

Will_Not_Buy.

Not with OSP, never.

IanC · 03-19-10, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Yak

Holding Fast.

Will_Not_Buy.

Not with OSP, never.

edit: actually Holding Fast makes it sound like I'm tempted, which is not the case at all. A couple of years down the road, I'll probably buy it. You know, when it's finished.

frau kaleun · 03-19-10, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Brag

I think we should retire to the SH3 Chateau Dardinac Officer's Casino in Lorient where no Jesus shoes are required to dance all night.

I'll radio Onkel Karl to leave the light on for us.

Eightbit · 03-19-10, 09:48 PM

Still going strong here. Reading about all the bugs makes it even easier tho lol. Then again I almost never buy games when they first come out for that reason. I think the last time I paid full day 1 price for a game with x3 terran conflict.

And the only time I see myself doing it again is if all my friends jump on some multiplayer game and push me to do it.

So maybe a good while from now when the price drops and bugs get fixed I can justify it. Still like to read about it tho.

SurfnSea · 03-19-10, 10:33 PM

Will not buy SH5 with DRM/OSP: It's the principle of the thing.
Will not buy SH5 in it's current condition.

I didn't buy SH4 until it went down to under $20 and had been modded to playability. Even if SH5 gets to the point of playability it seems even less of a sub sim than SH3 or 4. I'm still enjoying SH4 a lot and play SH3 GWX too and that's plenty for me.

So, yeah, no problems here holding out.

theluckyone17 · 03-19-10, 11:04 PM

Done right, I think I could be happy with the FPS aspect. The RPG elements need to be fleshed out (a lot) before I'll be satisfied. I'd love to get my hands on SH5 and start exploring the possibilities.

OSP hasn't been removed, so I'm still holding out.

rditto48801 · 03-19-10, 11:10 PM

I had high hopes for SH5, hoping Ubisoft learned its lessons and would release a complete game this time, one that looked and played good.

Then came the DRM issue.
I lost much desire to get SH5 at that point.
(Ubisoft seriously needs to listen to some of the stuff said by Gabe Newell of Valve during the last GDC.)

Yet, despite the DRM issue, I decided to wait and see.
I was hoping to see excellent reviews of a game that was actually released in a working and easy to use state.
Maybe a solid game that would make the DRM tolerable, or lesser DRM that would allow for dealing with early minor issues easier to do.
What do I see?
What does Ubisoft do?
They leave in the absurd DRM and release a seemingly buggy and possibly incomplete game?
(They need to seriously pay attention to stuff recently said by Gabe Newell from Valve during the latest GDC.)

I see stuff saying that, despite its few good points, and even though the FPS and RPG elements look to be interesting, it still has, to me anyways, a few to many rough points that need to be smoothed out, a not to good tutorial, and bugs that need to be fixed. (and perhaps even a few 'features' that need to be reclassified as bugs/mistakes and 'fixed'/removed?)

So, I will still hold out, but I am a little low on hope right now.

For now, I get my sub needs via SH3 (a few minor mods and SH3 Commander), plus I got SH4 handy for when I get to missing US fleet subs.

thruster · 03-19-10, 11:43 PM

this is tragic.
never thought i'd see a thread on a supposed fan site devoted to sub sims actually crowing over the genres demise.

Fantasm · 03-20-10, 12:07 AM

I think what is sad is that so many of you are 'settling'. the game is not in the best of shape... it's full of bugs, the whole DRM thing, the need to install a patch and mods to get it to run even marginally successfully... and I have to ask, WHY? Why are you all 'settling' for an inferior product?
Yes, it's great how the modders are toiling away to try and render it playable... I admire them.... or pity them... not sure which at the moment... LOL

Send it back, get a refund and tell them you'd be interested in a few months or a year IF they can get it right... You can bet a lot of software companies are looking at this and are saying, "Well, look, they were fed crap, sure they bitched, but they still paid for it.... "
What kind of software experience are you hoping for in the future... ? you're setting yourself up for failure.... This game is so flawed , there is no demand even for a pirated copy any more... Think about it, people don't want it for free....Assassins Creed 2 is out there in the wild, with cracks and the whole game in various incarnations.... but not SH5... because no one wants it....
It's truly sad...

robbo180265 · 03-20-10, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by thruster

this is tragic.
never thought i'd see a thread on a supposed fan site devoted to sub sims actually crowing over the genres demise.

Quoted for the truth.

If you guys feel that strongly about UBI and the DRM - why are you not posting this stuff on the Ubisoft forum?

This is Subsim , a forum dedicated to subsimmers. I totally understand why you feel the way you guys do, and have loads of respect for you too.

However, do you not think it would make a lot more sense to let Ubisoft know how you feel - rather than us subsimmers?

To be honest I'm having so much fun playing the game that I'm tending to ignore these "boycot Ubi" threads nowadays. I am however letting UBI know exactly how I feel about the DRM - on their forums.

Cavell · 03-20-10, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by robbo180265

Quoted for the truth.

If you guys feel that strongly about UBI and the DRM - why are you not posting this stuff on the Ubisoft forum?

This is Subsim , a forum dedicated to subsimmers. I totally understand why you feel the way you guys do, and have loads of respect for you too.

However, do you not think it would make a lot more sense to let Ubisoft know how you feel - rather than us subsimmers?

To be honest I'm having so much fun playing the game that I'm tending to ignore these "boycot Ubi" threads nowadays. I am however letting UBI know exactly how I feel about the DRM - on their forums.

If you've already purchased the game, Ubi doesn't care how you feel about it. They have your money, and that's all they wanted. Trust me, you can hate their guts as long as you keep giving them money; they'll be quite fine with that relationship.

The point that most concerns me personally has already been made on Ubi's forums, multiple times, and I've never seen them bother to reply to the whole, "Well, if I'm in Afghanistan, I can't possibly play the game." They have no solution, and they don't care.

If their sales are strong on games that ship with this anti-consumer DRM system, that's all that matters. Keep in mind, there are still guys somewhere in that company who think this whole thing is a fantastic idea. People complaining about it aren't going to change their minds. Industry sites covering it negatively aren't going to change their minds. Only noticeable sales drop-offs would do that.

robbo180265 · 03-20-10, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Cavell

If you've already purchased the game, Ubi doesn't care how you feel about it. They have your money, and that's all they wanted. Trust me, you can hate their guts as long as you keep giving them money; they'll be quite fine with that relationship.

The point that most concerns me personally has already been made on Ubi's forums, multiple times, and I've never seen them bother to reply to the whole, "Well, if I'm in Afghanistan, I can't possibly play the game." They have no solution, and they don't care.

If their sales are strong on games that ship with this anti-consumer DRM system, that's all that matters. Keep in mind, there are still guys somewhere in that company who think this whole thing is a fantastic idea. People complaining about it aren't going to change their minds. Industry sites covering it negatively aren't going to change their minds. Only noticeable sales drop-offs would do that.

Ok fine- could you keep the anti DRM stuff to one thread then?

Makes it easier for me to ignore it ta

Rockin Robbins · 03-20-10, 01:02 AM

Not a problem. SH4 rocks!

I can wait for years for Ubi to straighten this one out, and if they don't, too bad.

I have a mild curiosity about what's in SH5 but nothing that would bother me if I never bought Silent Hunter 5. The only one to hurt would be Ubi.

By the way, we need to keep the anti-DRM thing going in as many threads as possible. The goal is to make it impossible for our message to be buried by other stuff so UBI can't get away from the reason their game is a failure. Especially if SH5 is improved and continues not to sell, UBI needs to know how simple it is to fix. Get rid of the DRM. I'm not paying to be treated like a criminal. None of us should have to.

Hey robbo, have you read my stuff on Ubi forum? I'm really a mild mannered guy here compared to in the lair of the Monster.

Cavell · 03-20-10, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by robbo180265

Ok fine- could you keep the anti DRM stuff to one thread then?

Makes it easier for me to ignore it ta

I haven't started any anti-DRM threads, and I couldn't possibly make promises for other people.

03-19-10, 09:21 PM	#92
Yak Torpedoman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Here, sometimes there Posts: 113 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Holding Fast. Will_Not_Buy. Not with OSP, never. __________________ It all started with a goat, a golf club and a pack of Marlboro Red's...

03-19-10, 11:10 PM	#98
rditto48801 Mate Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: In the middle of a giant mitten. Posts: 54 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	I had high hopes for SH5, hoping Ubisoft learned its lessons and would release a complete game this time, one that looked and played good. Then came the DRM issue. I lost much desire to get SH5 at that point. (Ubisoft seriously needs to listen to some of the stuff said by Gabe Newell of Valve during the last GDC.) Yet, despite the DRM issue, I decided to wait and see. I was hoping to see excellent reviews of a game that was actually released in a working and easy to use state. Maybe a solid game that would make the DRM tolerable, or lesser DRM that would allow for dealing with early minor issues easier to do. What do I see? What does Ubisoft do? They leave in the absurd DRM and release a seemingly buggy and possibly incomplete game? (They need to seriously pay attention to stuff recently said by Gabe Newell from Valve during the latest GDC.) I see stuff saying that, despite its few good points, and even though the FPS and RPG elements look to be interesting, it still has, to me anyways, a few to many rough points that need to be smoothed out, a not to good tutorial, and bugs that need to be fixed. (and perhaps even a few 'features' that need to be reclassified as bugs/mistakes and 'fixed'/removed?) So, I will still hold out, but I am a little low on hope right now. For now, I get my sub needs via SH3 (a few minor mods and SH3 Commander), plus I got SH4 handy for when I get to missing US fleet subs. __________________ Darn the speed, full torpedoes ahead! Run Silent, Run Deep, Run them Ragged, Let The Prey Not Sleep.

03-20-10, 12:07 AM	#100
Fantasm Watch Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 16 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	Why Settle? I think what is sad is that so many of you are 'settling'. the game is not in the best of shape... it's full of bugs, the whole DRM thing, the need to install a patch and mods to get it to run even marginally successfully... and I have to ask, WHY? Why are you all 'settling' for an inferior product? Yes, it's great how the modders are toiling away to try and render it playable... I admire them.... or pity them... not sure which at the moment... LOL Send it back, get a refund and tell them you'd be interested in a few months or a year IF they can get it right... You can bet a lot of software companies are looking at this and are saying, "Well, look, they were fed crap, sure they bitched, but they still paid for it.... " What kind of software experience are you hoping for in the future... ? you're setting yourself up for failure.... This game is so flawed , there is no demand even for a pirated copy any more... Think about it, people don't want it for free....Assassins Creed 2 is out there in the wild, with cracks and the whole game in various incarnations.... but not SH5... because no one wants it.... It's truly sad...

03-20-10, 01:02 AM	#104
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	Not a problem. SH4 rocks! I can wait for years for Ubi to straighten this one out, and if they don't, too bad. I have a mild curiosity about what's in SH5 but nothing that would bother me if I never bought Silent Hunter 5. The only one to hurt would be Ubi. By the way, we need to keep the anti-DRM thing going in as many threads as possible. The goal is to make it impossible for our message to be buried by other stuff so UBI can't get away from the reason their game is a failure. Especially if SH5 is improved and continues not to sell, UBI needs to know how simple it is to fix. Get rid of the DRM. I'm not paying to be treated like a criminal. None of us should have to. Hey robbo, have you read my stuff on Ubi forum? I'm really a mild mannered guy here compared to in the lair of the Monster. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

03-19-10, 08:35 PM	#91
Frederf Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 665 Downloads: 79 Uploads: 1	I appreciate the direction that SH5 has gone philosophically. WASD and being a "captain sim" and all that. I'm still not going to "get into the game" as yet because the execution is completely half-baked. Half of the features have been lost in the player-interaction scheme changeover and we were dreadfully lacking in ability in SH3/4. The "you gotta run around and interact with crew" concept is absolutely sabotaged by the do-everything periscope interface and arcade-style minimap.

03-19-10, 09:48 PM	#95
Eightbit Seaman Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 35 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	Still going strong here. Reading about all the bugs makes it even easier tho lol. Then again I almost never buy games when they first come out for that reason. I think the last time I paid full day 1 price for a game with x3 terran conflict. And the only time I see myself doing it again is if all my friends jump on some multiplayer game and push me to do it. So maybe a good while from now when the price drops and bugs get fixed I can justify it. Still like to read about it tho.

03-19-10, 10:33 PM	#96
SurfnSea Electrician's Mate Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 137 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Will not buy SH5 with DRM/OSP: It's the principle of the thing. Will not buy SH5 in it's current condition. I didn't buy SH4 until it went down to under $20 and had been modded to playability. Even if SH5 gets to the point of playability it seems even less of a sub sim than SH3 or 4. I'm still enjoying SH4 a lot and play SH3 GWX too and that's plenty for me. So, yeah, no problems here holding out.

03-19-10, 11:04 PM	#97
theluckyone17 Captain Join Date: May 2006 Location: Niskayuna, NY Posts: 482 Downloads: 103 Uploads: 0	Done right, I think I could be happy with the FPS aspect. The RPG elements need to be fleshed out (a lot) before I'll be satisfied. I'd love to get my hands on SH5 and start exploring the possibilities. OSP hasn't been removed, so I'm still holding out.

03-19-10, 11:43 PM	#99
thruster Electrician's Mate Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 139 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	this is tragic. never thought i'd see a thread on a supposed fan site devoted to sub sims actually crowing over the genres demise.