What does elenaiba say... - Page 7

pythos · 03-14-10, 12:25 AM

Wow!!

Talk about kickin a man when he is down.

"you tried and failed"

He did? Really? Have you looked at the work that went into the game so far? Have you looked at the attention to detail...the fact for the most part the sim is stable.

DRM is a major road block. Let's just leave that there.

Bugs from SH4 are also a glaring problem. But they will be dealt with.

SH5 was built on Sh4. Sh4 in turn was built off of Sh3. Some bugs Sh4 had were directly from Sh3, but we were spoiled to the beauty that sh3 became....because of modders. Do you not recall the crashes to desk tops. The need for 4 patches to get it running right?

Unfortunately Sh4 not only had sh3's bugs but also it's own. And for some reason some functionality was removed.

Now sh5 has the same bugs as SH4. The same elements of functionality have been removed as Sh5, and those will return, some already have.

The new code that was mentioned is undoubtedly the crew management, as well as an entire Uboat modeled. This was a HUGE undertaking, which would explain the use of Sh4 code opposed to entirely new code....which would have brought about other nightmares to be sure.

Keeping that in mind, and realizing PC games are projects for both the devs and the players, this sim is very good.

It has no where else to go but up.

fidget · 03-14-10, 12:28 AM

"He did? Really? Have you looked at the work that went into the game so far? Have you looked at the attention to detail...the fact for the most part the sim is stable."

I appreciate your response...but you've said absolutely nothing to refute my points. In fact, you just repeated them.

I posted my opinion...I don't feel the game is 'stable'...but you and I could very well have different definitions of that term.

krashkart · 03-14-10, 12:44 AM

Dan, Modders:

Ignore the uselessly negative feedback and concentrate on the stuff that will help you solve problems. We are here to help. We are not going to drive a wedge between anyone. Cast aside anybody that would drive such a wedge without a second glance. Beware the rant threads.

Impatient Gamers:

Cool your turkey feathers and let the men do their work. It's hard enough to put a complex project together within a specified time frame and produce anything short of a masterpiece. Take a break from your game, get some sack time, and come back tomorrow with a fresh mind so that you can help sort these issues out.

My advice would be to keep the truly illegitimate negatives to rant threads. If you hate the game as it is now, and if you cannot see your way toward helping the Ubisoft devs correct their errors, then throw your copy of Silent Hunter 5 in the trash and be done with it.

U-Bones · 03-14-10, 12:46 AM

As far as character goes, this post only confirms what many of us here knew years ago.

I bought this game in spite of personal distaste for certain features, and what to me was a very dissapointing SH4, mostly because I trusted in the devs desire to deliver a good sim. After playing this game some, seeing the mods that have come out, and easily making the game playable with just a few of them, I have to say I share the optimistic view on the potiential of this game.

Thanks Dan (and crew).

Quote:

Originally Posted by elanaiba

Well, I cannot post everything that I could say, indeed. But still:

Negative Feedback received about Silent Hunter generally fits into the following categories:

A - wrong expectations (some thing are just not in the scope of sh5)
B - legitimate concerns about bugs and unfinished features - Most are NOT news to me, since I have a list bigger than the forum. Trust me, you cannot match my expectations - but then again, the same could be said by most of the serious, passionate game developers out there.
C - legitimate concerns about some design choices - like for example the interface. Part of these I can understand, but I am not that concerned since most can be fixed easily by modding. Getting a SH4 style interface back in the game is very easy.

As I was saying in another thread, I have no reservations that WITH TIME (equal patches + mods) this will be THE ONLY SUBSIM TO PLAY. Calling this game arcade is wrong, its no more arcade than SH3 or 4. Calling this an RPG is partly wrong, is simply as simulation as the games before but with an extra layer of RPG like crew development.

I am not at all happy with the current state of the RPG parts (long story) but:
a) nobody is forcing people to use them
b) they can be modded into something more realistic

I will stand by the concept of the RPG parts any day, because I have read enough books to understand that some things that happen in war are simply not justified by technical specifications and field manuals. At some point the man is the one that matters the most.

Before I close this down, I have two more things to say:

1) Ubisoft is a company, of which Ubisoft Romania is a part. Please stop separating the two. Not everything that is good is our merit, not everything that is bad is "the suits" fault. I, of all people, have my parts in the failures of SH5. The people "high up" could have simply decided not to do another SH, just as you guys can choose not to buy.

2) Please stop trying to create a war / antagonism between modders and devs, we need each other.

So, for my final statement of the day, NO, I am not happy with the state of SH5. Of course, except for SH3 - which was not perfect either - I have never been happy with the release of any of my projects.

I have much trust in the potential of SH5, but I am not a fortune teller. Did I quit my job after the launch? No. Am I not a man? I wonder.

People might not buy the game, miss on fun, and not suffer any problems that the game has at the moment. But for the guys that did invest their trust in us, I'd say they need us here.

Yes, Gunnodayak, it took me time to write this long answer, and I waited for the lunchbreak in order not to disturb my current work assignments.

fidget · 03-14-10, 12:53 AM

"Dan, Modders:

Ignore the uselessly negative feedback and concentrate on the stuff that will help you solve problems. We are here to help. We are not going to drive a wedge between anyone. Cast aside anybody that would, without a second glance. Beware the rant threads."

Hrmmmm...a lot of assumptions in that statement.

"Impatient Gamers:"

In the future, you would do better to refer to me as "customer". I didn't get this game for free. If I did, then call me anything you want.

"My advice would be to keep the truly illegitimate negatives to rant threads."

They'll make beggars of us all...because beggars are easier to please.

Méo · 03-14-10, 01:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fidget

Hrmmmm...a lot of assumptions in that statement.

"Impatient Gamers:"

In the future, you would do better to refer to me as "customer". I didn't get this game for free.

I see what you mean.

But there are lot of ''Impatient Gamers'' who are not ''customers'' and still complain endlessly without even trying it. (i.e. they've said many times that they would never buy SH5).

fidget · 03-14-10, 01:14 AM

"I see what you mean, still there are lot of ''Impatient Gamers'' who are not ''customers'' and still complain endlessly without even trying it. (i.e. they've said many times that they would never buy SH5)."

No doubt, you are right. I suspect the DRM issue is at play there...but yes, I'm sure a lot fall into that category.

Nevertheless, many critics here have bought the game...and they are customers all the same...writing them off as "Impatient Gamers" is a bit too cute.

Méo · 03-14-10, 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fidget

writing them off as "Impatient Gamers" is a bit too cute.

I know, but those were not my words though.

So no offence.

fidget · 03-14-10, 01:24 AM

"I know, but those were not my words though.

So no offence."

I know, so no offence taken. Also, I'm not offended by the person that wrote those words. I just have a different take on the issue.

Reece · 03-14-10, 01:45 AM

The game should never have been released in the very poor state, it is full of bugs and there is no excuse, UBI developed the game, UBI produced the game, people paid good money for a supposed finished product, well it isn't! they were basically swindled, this is a fact!

Ubisoft should be ashamed, and with the DRM can't even sell it/pass it on!!

Thanks goes to the modders ability to be able to repair some of it!

tommyk · 03-14-10, 03:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reece

The game should never have been released in the very poor state, it is full of bugs and there is no excuse, UBI developed the game, UBI produced the game, people paid good money for a supposed finished product, well it isn't! they were basically swindled, this is a fact!

Ubisoft should be ashamed, and with the DRM can't even sell it/pass it on!!

Thanks goes to the modders ability to be able to repair some of it!

Very well said, Reece! QFT, Thanks!

AOTD_MadMax · 06-28-10, 05:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elanaiba

2) Please stop trying to create a war / antagonism between modders and devs, we need each other.

So, for my final statement of the day, NO, I am not happy with the state of SH5. Of course, except for SH3 - which was not perfect either - I have never been happy with the release of any of my projects.

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Hi dear elanaiba,

to your point 2.) i have an question.

You say " we need each other ", what does it mean ??

In my eyes modding means not to bring the game to gold-status !
Modding should be an additional work, not an debugging job.
For the future i hope that your words becomes true.
I wish that some modders could be integrated to the team as free workers.
You will see that this would rise the quality of your work.

You say "i have never been happy with the release of any of my projects"

Thats sounds poor in my ears.
You mut be an very frustated person when you say this about your work.
I was very happy with the release of my SH4 modpack "Fall of the rising sun"
and iam very happy that many people like this modpack.
We from AOTD have tested out "FOTRS" for a long time and when i take a look to SH5 i come to the result that SH5 has not been tested any time ore the testers have done their jobs with closed eyes under pressure.

For example :

Some Shipguns didnt got any firesound cause the link to the fireeffect missed in the sim-file.
I found it after testing the game 5 minutes.
With the S3D-Tool from Skwasjer i corrected this bug until 2 minutes.

Another example :

The Somers destroyer didnt got an node for the sonar, thats why this class cant find any sub.
One look to the GR2-File of this unit offers me this bug.

This basics should have be done until release and it could have been done by an small crew of modders.
Thats my understanding of working hand in hand and "we need each other".
It is very easy :
The work for creating an subsim we all want ( including you ) is to big for your team in Bukarest cause the time is to short.
In case of this it is important to fill up the team with people who dont need to earn money for their job.
Its not an problem to make an contract for this.
It can be done if you want it and it is the work of the projectmanager to bring this on the way.

Nothing is impossible when you really want it !

Regards

AOTD|MadMax

Zedi · 06-28-10, 07:08 AM

Is 1 thing I can't understand. If the devs know that SH5 is uber buged and they also not happy with his state, why the heck they don't come over and work as moders?!? You know.. for fun.. as the other moders do here. Or at least write a gosh darn tutorial for those who wish to learn moding and fix SH5 without being paid...

Yosarian · 06-28-10, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magnum

why the heck they don't come over and work as moders?!?

They have no time, they are in charge to developing the next unfinished and bug infested game by Ubisoft Romania, called HAWX2!

Zedi · 06-28-10, 09:51 AM

That's not an excuse, our moders have a life too. Still they found enough time to give us mods that fix the game and make it playable and enjoyable. So if the devs feel bad for the mess they did with the SH5, they should come over and give a hand to fix what can be fixed by mods. Ofc, I can't expect anything like this from the nutheads from ceo, they can only steal money, nothing else.

03-14-10, 12:44 AM	#93
krashkart Navy Seal Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 5,292 Downloads: 100 Uploads: 0	Dan, Modders: Ignore the uselessly negative feedback and concentrate on the stuff that will help you solve problems. We are here to help. We are not going to drive a wedge between anyone. Cast aside anybody that would drive such a wedge without a second glance. Beware the rant threads. Impatient Gamers: Cool your turkey feathers and let the men do their work. It's hard enough to put a complex project together within a specified time frame and produce anything short of a masterpiece. Take a break from your game, get some sack time, and come back tomorrow with a fresh mind so that you can help sort these issues out. My advice would be to keep the truly illegitimate negatives to rant threads. If you hate the game as it is now, and if you cannot see your way toward helping the Ubisoft devs correct their errors, then throw your copy of Silent Hunter 5 in the trash and be done with it. __________________ sent from my fingertips using a cheap keyboard

03-14-10, 01:45 AM	#100
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,704 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	The game should never have been released in the very poor state, it is full of bugs and there is no excuse, UBI developed the game, UBI produced the game, people paid good money for a supposed finished product, well it isn't! they were basically swindled, this is a fact! Ubisoft should be ashamed, and with the DRM can't even sell it/pass it on!! Thanks goes to the modders ability to be able to repair some of it! __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

06-28-10, 07:08 AM	#103
Zedi Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,845 Downloads: 184 Uploads: 2	Is 1 thing I can't understand. If the devs know that SH5 is uber buged and they also not happy with his state, why the heck they don't come over and work as moders?!? You know.. for fun.. as the other moders do here. Or at least write a gosh darn tutorial for those who wish to learn moding and fix SH5 without being paid... Last edited by Takeda Shingen; 06-28-10 at 07:48 AM. Reason: Unnecessary profanity

03-14-10, 12:25 AM	#91
pythos Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere over there Posts: 834 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	Wow!! Talk about kickin a man when he is down. "you tried and failed" He did? Really? Have you looked at the work that went into the game so far? Have you looked at the attention to detail...the fact for the most part the sim is stable. DRM is a major road block. Let's just leave that there. Bugs from SH4 are also a glaring problem. But they will be dealt with. SH5 was built on Sh4. Sh4 in turn was built off of Sh3. Some bugs Sh4 had were directly from Sh3, but we were spoiled to the beauty that sh3 became....because of modders. Do you not recall the crashes to desk tops. The need for 4 patches to get it running right? Unfortunately Sh4 not only had sh3's bugs but also it's own. And for some reason some functionality was removed. Now sh5 has the same bugs as SH4. The same elements of functionality have been removed as Sh5, and those will return, some already have. The new code that was mentioned is undoubtedly the crew management, as well as an entire Uboat modeled. This was a HUGE undertaking, which would explain the use of Sh4 code opposed to entirely new code....which would have brought about other nightmares to be sure. Keeping that in mind, and realizing PC games are projects for both the devs and the players, this sim is very good. It has no where else to go but up.

03-14-10, 12:28 AM	#92
fidget Seaman Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 42 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	"He did? Really? Have you looked at the work that went into the game so far? Have you looked at the attention to detail...the fact for the most part the sim is stable." I appreciate your response...but you've said absolutely nothing to refute my points. In fact, you just repeated them. I posted my opinion...I don't feel the game is 'stable'...but you and I could very well have different definitions of that term.

03-14-10, 12:53 AM	#95
fidget Seaman Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 42 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	"Dan, Modders: Ignore the uselessly negative feedback and concentrate on the stuff that will help you solve problems. We are here to help. We are not going to drive a wedge between anyone. Cast aside anybody that would, without a second glance. Beware the rant threads." Hrmmmm...a lot of assumptions in that statement. "Impatient Gamers:" In the future, you would do better to refer to me as "customer". I didn't get this game for free. If I did, then call me anything you want. "My advice would be to keep the truly illegitimate negatives to rant threads." They'll make beggars of us all...because beggars are easier to please.

03-14-10, 01:14 AM	#97
fidget Seaman Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 42 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	"I see what you mean, still there are lot of ''Impatient Gamers'' who are not ''customers'' and still complain endlessly without even trying it. (i.e. they've said many times that they would never buy SH5)." No doubt, you are right. I suspect the DRM issue is at play there...but yes, I'm sure a lot fall into that category. Nevertheless, many critics here have bought the game...and they are customers all the same...writing them off as "Impatient Gamers" is a bit too cute.

03-14-10, 01:24 AM	#99
fidget Seaman Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 42 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	"I know, but those were not my words though. So no offence." I know, so no offence taken. Also, I'm not offended by the person that wrote those words. I just have a different take on the issue.

06-28-10, 09:51 AM	#105
Zedi Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,845 Downloads: 184 Uploads: 2	That's not an excuse, our moders have a life too. Still they found enough time to give us mods that fix the game and make it playable and enjoyable. So if the devs feel bad for the mess they did with the SH5, they should come over and give a hand to fix what can be fixed by mods. Ofc, I can't expect anything like this from the nutheads from ceo, they can only steal money, nothing else.