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Zachstar · 05-14-09, 09:27 PM

Star Trek will last thanks to this.

Most Trekkies like it because with this the existing storyline is preserved.

A few that Don't like it call themselves trekkies but to me are more like people who argue over which year the football team had the best defence instead of argueing why their team is better than the other. You cant please them unless you reran the exact episodes exactly as they aired before. Not saying all who don't like it are that way but it is that way for a few.

Zachstar · 05-15-09, 12:33 AM

This is an image from someone on the Star Trek Online forums showing what happened in "Star Trek (2009)"

This is the AST

This is not just some fantasy idea either. This is the modern way to demonstrate that time travel to the past is possible without "Back to the Future" type events.

Without "Branching" there is no time travel to the past period.

Buddahaid · 05-15-09, 01:19 AM

What I find amusing is all the arguments over the science of, and fidelity to TOS. Desilu did what they could on a very limited budget and special effects. TOS was also full of big mistakes, like warping to the sun from earth over several minutes, to travel back in time.

I knew that was BS when I was twelve and loving the show as it first aired.

Science and reason get tossed out the window when keeping a plot, or lack of one, moving. And, given that most people can't tell you the difference between our solar system and galaxy, who cares. Just suspend your concept of the universe and enjoy it for what it is, entertainment.

Buddahaid

Zachstar · 05-15-09, 02:34 AM

That is the major (And extremely rare) argument being made for the change of the size of the ship.

But also you have to look at the time. They could have made the enterprise able to destroy planets and have missiles that could penetrate shields or whatever. But Star Trek explored a more peaceful solution to many issues which is what everyone desired in the cold war.

But as the story progressed you just had to put in stronger adversaries that do not care if you have a nuke or photon torpedo. by the time ENT came around the norm was battle then have a peaceful settlement of the situation.

The ship has to be bigger and stronger because that is what Trek is today.

That is one of the rare things to "Just happen" in the new movie. Everything else is a result of the image above.

JALU3 · 05-15-09, 03:50 AM

You know what, I am tired of the next bad guy having to top the last one, be badder, have a wierder costume, have the bigger ship, destroy that planet that much fast. Next they will throw in the Doomsday Machine ala duce and a half size, swallow entire solar systems in a single pass, being ridden by some alien madman, with an exhast port as the only means to destroy it or some action centered BS. Don't get me wrong, action is necessary, but there is a way to do it with what is at hand, just as it has been going with everything being over the top.

It would have been blasephomy before, but was touched on in DS9, but I can see these two thoughts of what Star Trek is becoming having a good on screen battle that is not devoid of intellectual contemplation as this movie was. (Don't get me wrong I enjoyed it for what it was, and in and of itself. But taken as a whole, it was but a shadow of its predecessor. Like a kid trying to put on adult shoes. It's cute; fun to watch; but not the real thing.) The Youth oriented, shoot first, ask questions later, conquer by force of will and young unending labedo fighting for dominance of Starfleet and the spirit of the Federation over the older, wiser, more thoughtful and peaceful explorers of a generation overlooked. Say the difference between a young butter bar who leads his platoon over the top for the direct assault, as compared to the older captain who leads his element to flank the enemy to destroy their supply line and reduce their will and ability to fight. (Maybe this is why I might have been part of the minority who disliked seeing Picard becoming Kirk-Lite in the movies (I didn't need to see him win the girl, or fight hand to hand, etc.))

Rhodes · 05-15-09, 05:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zachstar

This is an image from someone on the Star Trek Online forums showing what happened in "Star Trek (2009)"

This is the AST

This is not just some fantasy idea either. This is the modern way to demonstrate that time travel to the past is possible without "Back to the Future" type events.

Without "Branching" there is no time travel to the past period.

I like this one more:

and also this one:

by ex-astris-scientia, Bernd Schneider's!

JALU3 · 05-15-09, 07:17 AM

wow that Y axis on that graph is highly subjective there ....

Rhodes · 05-15-09, 08:58 AM

It's a person site with his opinions! But most of what the creator of that site says and presents, are quite good and with solid bases! And one can always agree or not!

"We do not argue tastes!"

Wolfehunter · 05-15-09, 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JALU3

You know what, I am tired of the next bad guy having to top the last one, be badder, have a wierder costume, have the bigger ship, destroy that planet that much fast. Next they will throw in the Doomsday Machine ala duce and a half size, swallow entire solar systems in a single pass, being ridden by some alien madman, with an exhast port as the only means to destroy it or some action centered BS. Don't get me wrong, action is necessary, but there is a way to do it with what is at hand, just as it has been going with everything being over the top.

It would have been blasephomy before, but was touched on in DS9, but I can see these two thoughts of what Star Trek is becoming having a good on screen battle that is not devoid of intellectual contemplation as this movie was. (Don't get me wrong I enjoyed it for what it was, and in and of itself. But taken as a whole, it was but a shadow of its predecessor. Like a kid trying to put on adult shoes. It's cute; fun to watch; but not the real thing.) The Youth oriented, shoot first, ask questions later, conquer by force of will and young unending labedo fighting for dominance of Starfleet and the spirit of the Federation over the older, wiser, more thoughtful and peaceful explorers of a generation overlooked. Say the difference between a young butter bar who leads his platoon over the top for the direct assault, as compared to the older captain who leads his element to flank the enemy to destroy their supply line and reduce their will and ability to fight. (Maybe this is why I might have been part of the minority who disliked seeing Picard becoming Kirk-Lite in the movies (I didn't need to see him win the girl, or fight hand to hand, etc.))

Ah you hit it on the mark. See they're attracting new younger blood so they show that younger adults know more than the older veterans. Why they shoot first and still don't ask questions. Thinking is optional..

Firing weapons is much easier..

Also its mostly about money so they're going to get the new generation attached thinking there immortals hehehe.

I get that impression that the next generation viewers are telling us oldino's to shutup and move on its our movie now.. Thats perfectly fine by me. I prefer the older cheezy startrek anyday.

JALU3 · 05-15-09, 03:54 PM

You know, many of the more devoted TNG/DS9/VOY fans that have been lurking on the ST Boards that I visit, even long after the shows went off air, and long before this new movie came out have their reservations. Therefore, I believe it unfair to blame this on the generation that grew up with the above mentioned shows. These new fans whom have fully embraced this movie are more those, IMHO, who grew up when ENT was messing with the Cannon, all be it in a slightly more improved way every preceding season, and lived in its absence, only to find enjoyment in Firefly/Serenity and the re imagined BSG.

Don't get me wrong they were both enjoyable in their own right, but they didn't have the core philosophy that was developed in...(gotta go continue this later)

Aramike · 05-15-09, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhodes

I like this one more:

This gets my vote for Nerdiest Graphic Ever.

Rhodes · 05-15-09, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Aramike

This gets my vote for Nerdiest Graphic Ever.

Zachstar · 05-15-09, 08:23 PM

There is lots of debate over the ship size currently. What I don't get is why people automatically assume that there will be exact scaleup for all ships.

Yes the new enterprise is HUGE but the TNG(AST) Enterprise will likely be just a bit bigger instead of the huge jump in TNG(Prime)

A good question tho is why a ship that size did not carry a fighter wing. Likely just to not change it too too much further.

1701-B(AST) and beyond I suspect will be just a bit bigger than 1701(AST) and will have ateast a squad of fighters. It is almost beyond stupid anyway how the federation decided not to equip all its ships with fighters even with the TOS(Prime) Enterprise's tiny size.

05-15-09, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zachstar

Star Trek will last thanks to this.

Most Trekkies like it because with this the existing storyline is preserved.

A few that Don't like it call themselves trekkies but to me are more like people who argue over which year the football team had the best defence instead of argueing why their team is better than the other. You cant please them unless you reran the exact episodes exactly as they aired before. Not saying all who don't like it are that way but it is that way for a few.

So true,
Star Trek Begins,
Its 2009 after all

Zachstar · 05-15-09, 10:52 PM

Hold the phone.

Batman begins is what is called a "Reboot" or just saying "Everything we do for now on is completely unrelated to the old" The new is cannon.

ST 2009 is NOT a reboot. The size chance happened out of the blue but can be "contained" In the AST universe.

JJ used the modern theory of multiple universes and time travel to the past creating new ones to make a "New" Star Trek universe.

The old is still cannon it still can be made. The "Star Trek Online" game takes place in "Prime" not "AST" Prime is still there. The Enterprise is still tiny in Prime. Voyager still goes to the delta quadrant in prime.

The difference is it wont in AST.

05-14-09, 09:27 PM	#91
Zachstar Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shreveport, Louisiana Posts: 1,956 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Star Trek will last thanks to this. Most Trekkies like it because with this the existing storyline is preserved. A few that Don't like it call themselves trekkies but to me are more like people who argue over which year the football team had the best defence instead of argueing why their team is better than the other. You cant please them unless you reran the exact episodes exactly as they aired before. Not saying all who don't like it are that way but it is that way for a few. __________________

05-15-09, 12:33 AM	#92
Zachstar Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shreveport, Louisiana Posts: 1,956 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	This is an image from someone on the Star Trek Online forums showing what happened in "Star Trek (2009)" This is the AST This is not just some fantasy idea either. This is the modern way to demonstrate that time travel to the past is possible without "Back to the Future" type events. Without "Branching" there is no time travel to the past period. __________________

05-15-09, 02:34 AM	#94
Zachstar Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shreveport, Louisiana Posts: 1,956 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	That is the major (And extremely rare) argument being made for the change of the size of the ship. But also you have to look at the time. They could have made the enterprise able to destroy planets and have missiles that could penetrate shields or whatever. But Star Trek explored a more peaceful solution to many issues which is what everyone desired in the cold war. But as the story progressed you just had to put in stronger adversaries that do not care if you have a nuke or photon torpedo. by the time ENT came around the norm was battle then have a peaceful settlement of the situation. The ship has to be bigger and stronger because that is what Trek is today. That is one of the rare things to "Just happen" in the new movie. Everything else is a result of the image above. __________________

05-15-09, 03:50 AM	#95
JALU3 Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2007 Location: 11SMS 98896 10565 Posts: 756 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	You know what, I am tired of the next bad guy having to top the last one, be badder, have a wierder costume, have the bigger ship, destroy that planet that much fast. Next they will throw in the Doomsday Machine ala duce and a half size, swallow entire solar systems in a single pass, being ridden by some alien madman, with an exhast port as the only means to destroy it or some action centered BS. Don't get me wrong, action is necessary, but there is a way to do it with what is at hand, just as it has been going with everything being over the top. It would have been blasephomy before, but was touched on in DS9, but I can see these two thoughts of what Star Trek is becoming having a good on screen battle that is not devoid of intellectual contemplation as this movie was. (Don't get me wrong I enjoyed it for what it was, and in and of itself. But taken as a whole, it was but a shadow of its predecessor. Like a kid trying to put on adult shoes. It's cute; fun to watch; but not the real thing.) The Youth oriented, shoot first, ask questions later, conquer by force of will and young unending labedo fighting for dominance of Starfleet and the spirit of the Federation over the older, wiser, more thoughtful and peaceful explorers of a generation overlooked. Say the difference between a young butter bar who leads his platoon over the top for the direct assault, as compared to the older captain who leads his element to flank the enemy to destroy their supply line and reduce their will and ability to fight. (Maybe this is why I might have been part of the minority who disliked seeing Picard becoming Kirk-Lite in the movies (I didn't need to see him win the girl, or fight hand to hand, etc.)) __________________ "The Federation needs men like you, doctor. Men of conscience. Men of principle. Men who can sleep at night... You're also the reason Section Thirty-one exists -- someone has to protect men like you from a universe that doesn't share your sense of right and wrong." -Sloan, Section Thirty-One

05-15-09, 07:17 AM	#97
JALU3 Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2007 Location: 11SMS 98896 10565 Posts: 756 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	wow that Y axis on that graph is highly subjective there .... __________________ "The Federation needs men like you, doctor. Men of conscience. Men of principle. Men who can sleep at night... You're also the reason Section Thirty-one exists -- someone has to protect men like you from a universe that doesn't share your sense of right and wrong." -Sloan, Section Thirty-One

05-15-09, 01:19 AM	#93
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,319 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	What I find amusing is all the arguments over the science of, and fidelity to TOS. Desilu did what they could on a very limited budget and special effects. TOS was also full of big mistakes, like warping to the sun from earth over several minutes, to travel back in time. I knew that was BS when I was twelve and loving the show as it first aired. Science and reason get tossed out the window when keeping a plot, or lack of one, moving. And, given that most people can't tell you the difference between our solar system and galaxy, who cares. Just suspend your concept of the universe and enjoy it for what it is, entertainment. Buddahaid

05-15-09, 08:58 AM	#98
Rhodes Silent Hunter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Figueira da Foz, Portugal Posts: 4,515 Downloads: 110 Uploads: 0	It's a person site with his opinions! But most of what the creator of that site says and presents, are quite good and with solid bases! And one can always agree or not! "We do not argue tastes!" __________________ http://www.flickr.com/photos/16416646@N05/

05-15-09, 03:54 PM	#100
JALU3 Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2007 Location: 11SMS 98896 10565 Posts: 756 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	You know, many of the more devoted TNG/DS9/VOY fans that have been lurking on the ST Boards that I visit, even long after the shows went off air, and long before this new movie came out have their reservations. Therefore, I believe it unfair to blame this on the generation that grew up with the above mentioned shows. These new fans whom have fully embraced this movie are more those, IMHO, who grew up when ENT was messing with the Cannon, all be it in a slightly more improved way every preceding season, and lived in its absence, only to find enjoyment in Firefly/Serenity and the re imagined BSG. Don't get me wrong they were both enjoyable in their own right, but they didn't have the core philosophy that was developed in...(gotta go continue this later) __________________ "The Federation needs men like you, doctor. Men of conscience. Men of principle. Men who can sleep at night... You're also the reason Section Thirty-one exists -- someone has to protect men like you from a universe that doesn't share your sense of right and wrong." -Sloan, Section Thirty-One

05-15-09, 08:23 PM	#103
Zachstar Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shreveport, Louisiana Posts: 1,956 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	There is lots of debate over the ship size currently. What I don't get is why people automatically assume that there will be exact scaleup for all ships. Yes the new enterprise is HUGE but the TNG(AST) Enterprise will likely be just a bit bigger instead of the huge jump in TNG(Prime) A good question tho is why a ship that size did not carry a fighter wing. Likely just to not change it too too much further. 1701-B(AST) and beyond I suspect will be just a bit bigger than 1701(AST) and will have ateast a squad of fighters. It is almost beyond stupid anyway how the federation decided not to equip all its ships with fighters even with the TOS(Prime) Enterprise's tiny size. __________________

05-15-09, 10:52 PM	#105
Zachstar Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shreveport, Louisiana Posts: 1,956 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Hold the phone. Batman begins is what is called a "Reboot" or just saying "Everything we do for now on is completely unrelated to the old" The new is cannon. ST 2009 is NOT a reboot. The size chance happened out of the blue but can be "contained" In the AST universe. JJ used the modern theory of multiple universes and time travel to the past creating new ones to make a "New" Star Trek universe. The old is still cannon it still can be made. The "Star Trek Online" game takes place in "Prime" not "AST" Prime is still there. The Enterprise is still tiny in Prime. Voyager still goes to the delta quadrant in prime. The difference is it wont in AST. __________________