Obama calls for halt to Gitmo prosecutions.

Biggles · 01-21-09, 12:44 PM

What the title says:

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS...tml#cnnSTCText

Any thoughts?

Konovalov · 01-21-09, 12:50 PM

It's an exercise in buying time in order to figure out exactly what to do with the mess that is Guantanamo Bay.

Kapt Z · 01-25-09, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Konovalov

It's an exercise in buying time in order to figure out exactly what to do with the mess that is Guantanamo Bay.

That's about sums it up.

Happy Times · 01-25-09, 01:57 PM

I dont want any prisoners here.
I was happy that the Finnish security police recently openly warned about taking muslim refugees and imigrants at all in the country.
Im not tiptoeing around this subject, i can say i want it to stop.

Skybird · 01-21-09, 12:59 PM

He said he would close it, so no surprise. A legal vacuum, a spot of shame on the American flag. Time to clean it.

On the question of who should take those prisoners who could not be sent back to their countries without needing to fear torture and mistreatement, there are two scenarios.

Either the prisoner in question is innocent and harmless (and we have had quiet some of these now), then nothing speaks against the US taking him in, if he is innocent or harmless, if he wants that. After all, america has a debt to such a person.

If he is considered dangerous, again the US should take him, for I see no reason why it should be acceptable for protesting, opposing european states to take such a person and take the risk, and the US getting rid of the risk and problem for free.

I don't buy this negotiating of what countries take what prisoners. The US started it, so they have to take them, period. Only those persons who are innocent and have the wish not to stay in the country whose hijacked "hospitality" they have enjoyed over the past years, should be given the choice to go to a european country, if they wish that. Problematic cases America has to find a solution for by itself, taking the efforts and risks itself, too, becasue it is responsible for the status quo and has created the mess. I do not accept prisoners with risks being exported from America to Europe. Also, after up to seven years without legal proceedings, such people either are brought to court right now on the basis of valid civil law codes, or released. There was opportunity and time enough to charge and sentence (or release) them.

Biggles · 01-21-09, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

He said he would close it, so no surprise.

True that, but this soon? I didn't expect anything from him for the next week or so. At least nothing of such an interest. (for me).

SteamWake · 01-21-09, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

He said he would close it, so no surprise.

No supprise either that he has also backed off this statement.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...ct_barack.html

Stealth Hunter · 01-21-09, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

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Originally Posted by Skybird

He said he would close it, so no surprise.

No supprise either that he has also backed off this statement.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...ct_barack.html

I didn't see anything in there that said he wouldn't close the facility...:hmm:

Biggles · 01-21-09, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

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Originally Posted by Skybird

He said he would close it, so no surprise.

No supprise either that he has also backed off this statement.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...ct_barack.html

I didn't see anything in there that said he wouldn't close the facility...:hmm:

I guess it meant that anyone who thought that it'll be closed by tomorrow will be let down. Now, is there anybody who thought that it'd go that quickly?

Onkel Neal · 01-21-09, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Biggles

What the title says:

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS...tml#cnnSTCText

Any thoughts?

Send them to Germany. First class, of course.

Biggles · 01-21-09, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

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Originally Posted by Biggles

What the title says:

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS...tml#cnnSTCText

Any thoughts?

Send them to Germany. First class, of course.

Or, uh, prisons on american soil?

Enigma · 01-21-09, 02:24 PM

As far as I know, this is a fairly standard thing to do during a transition. ....

breadcatcher101 · 01-21-09, 02:29 PM

Send them to Iraq and let them try them in their courts.

Sea Demon · 01-22-09, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Enigma

As far as I know, this is a fairly standard thing to do during a transition. ....

In terms of his dealings with national security, the man's first day in office was not spent ensuring our people in the military have adequate funding, or whatever they need to ensure success of their mission. Instead his first day in office was spent fighting for rights of our enemy combatants at Gitmo. He decided to use his first day to misuse the executive order to protect enemies of this country. That is not a standard thing any President has ever done.

Zachstar · 01-22-09, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Demon

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Originally Posted by Enigma

As far as I know, this is a fairly standard thing to do during a transition. ....

In terms of his dealings with national security, the man's first day in office was not spent ensuring our people in the military have adequate funding, or whatever they need to ensure success of their mission. Instead his first day in office was spent fighting for rights of our enemy combatants at Gitmo. He decided to use his first day to misuse the executive order to protect enemies of this country. That is not a standard thing any President has ever done.

Take that junk to freeperville. It's just laughable here.

That excuse to keep gitmo open died years ago. Get new material.

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,649 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	He said he would close it, so no surprise. A legal vacuum, a spot of shame on the American flag. Time to clean it. On the question of who should take those prisoners who could not be sent back to their countries without needing to fear torture and mistreatement, there are two scenarios. Either the prisoner in question is innocent and harmless (and we have had quiet some of these now), then nothing speaks against the US taking him in, if he is innocent or harmless, if he wants that. After all, america has a debt to such a person. If he is considered dangerous, again the US should take him, for I see no reason why it should be acceptable for protesting, opposing european states to take such a person and take the risk, and the US getting rid of the risk and problem for free. I don't buy this negotiating of what countries take what prisoners. The US started it, so they have to take them, period. Only those persons who are innocent and have the wish not to stay in the country whose hijacked "hospitality" they have enjoyed over the past years, should be given the choice to go to a european country, if they wish that. Problematic cases America has to find a solution for by itself, taking the efforts and risks itself, too, becasue it is responsible for the status quo and has created the mess. I do not accept prisoners with risks being exported from America to Europe. Also, after up to seven years without legal proceedings, such people either are brought to court right now on the basis of valid civil law codes, or released. There was opportunity and time enough to charge and sentence (or release) them. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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Enigma The Old Man Join Date: May 2005 Location: At comms depth, obviously. Posts: 1,476 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	As far as I know, this is a fairly standard thing to do during a transition. .... __________________ "Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it." -Mark Twain

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Happy Times Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 2,950 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I dont want any prisoners here. I was happy that the Finnish security police recently openly warned about taking muslim refugees and imigrants at all in the country. Im not tiptoeing around this subject, i can say i want it to stop.

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breadcatcher101 Captain Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Southeastern USA Posts: 546 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Send them to Iraq and let them try them in their courts.