Flash: OBAMA IS PRESIDENT!!!

[AngusJS]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

If not, remember, Marxism always fails in the end, be patient.

Yes, because Obama and the Democrats have stated repeatedly that 1) capitalism has created a working class which owns nothing but its labor; 2) the internal contradictions of capitalism will lead to ever-increasing crises, which will eventually completely divide the world into the proletariat and the owner class and spark a revolution; 3) during this revolution, the proletariat will seize the means of production, ushering in a new mode of economic organization - communism; and 4) it is the duty of Marxists to prepare the workers for this day.

That's the Democratic platform. You can read about it on Obama's website and everything.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by GlobalExplorer

Can say we in good ol' Germany are all very happy with your choice.

As they say, Be Careful what you wish for...........

[August]

Why do you Euro guys keep insisting that the US President controls our economy? He doesn't, and he never did. The closest government agency that comes to controlling the economy is the US Congress and even they only have a partial effect on it that takes years to become evident.

[GlobalExplorer]

Originally Posted by August

Why do you Euro guys keep insisting that the US President controls our economy? He doesn't, and he never did. The closest government agency that comes to controlling the economy is the US Congress and even they only have a partial effect on it that takes years to become evident.

Bush raised your national deficit by 3 trillion, that's three million millions, or ~10.000$ for each one of you, has that nothing to do with the economy? The United States is broke, so much that you must now borrow money from China, that's the reality mate.

[August]

Originally Posted by GlobalExplorer

Bush raised your national deficit by 3 trillion, that's three million millions, or ~10.000$ for each one of you, has that nothing to do with the economy? The United States is broke, so much that you must now borrow money from China, that's the reality mate.

Bush raised nothing, not taxes, not the deficit, not the price of gas. Congress controls the national purse strings, not the executive.

[GlobalExplorer]

Originally Posted by AngusJS

Yes, because Obama and the Democrats have stated repeatedly that 1) capitalism has created a working class which owns nothing but its labor; 2) the internal contradictions of capitalism will lead to ever-increasing crises, which will eventually completely divide the world into the proletariat and the owner class and spark a revolution; 3) during this revolution, the proletariat will seize the means of production, ushering in a new mode of economic organization - communism; and 4) it is the duty of Marxists to prepare the workers for this day.

That's the Democratic platform. You can read about it on Obama's website and everything.

: link or it's not true :

Btw point 1) is obvious, 2) is debatable, it's only with the other predictions about klassenkampf and communist utopia when Karl Marx lost his mind.

[Bort]

Originally Posted by Kapitan_Phillips

2012

Unconstitutional.

[Task Force]

I hope obama dose the job as president good. Im not gona say anything bad about him untill he dose something bad, he might be one of the countrys best presidents. We realy dont know yet.

[GlobalExplorer]

Originally Posted by August

Bush raised nothing, not taxes, not the deficit, not the price of gas. Congress controls the national purse strings, not the executive.

Technically, you should be right. Ok, if that's what you mean, if I say Bush I mean his administration and his party. We have a different system here, governed more by parties than by the head representatives, so we tend to set them equal, sorry for that.

But if it is so, who runs your country actually? So far I believed it was a presidential democracy.

@Mikhayl, I really don't know the answer, this forum keeps me dumbfounded.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Bort

Unconstitutional.

you obviously didnt see "demolition man"

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

you obviously didnt see "demolition man"

You guys can have the governator. He's been bad for our state.

[jbt308]

Originally Posted by GlobalExplorer

Technically, you should be right. Ok, if that's what you mean, if I say Bush I mean his administration and his party. We have a different system here, governed more by parties than by the head representatives, so we tend to set them equal, sorry for that.

But if it is so, who runs your country actually? So far I believed it was a presidential democracy.

@Mikhayl, I really don't know the answer, this forum keeps me dumbfounded.

This isn't an easy question to answer, because it's so involved.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_government

The Constitution is the law of the land for most people that still believe in it. Other's inject rights that aren't there, but that's another story.

The President is the head of the Executive Branch of the government.
Congress and Senate of parts of the Legislative Branch of the government
The Supreme Court are the ultimate judges of the land, the Judicial Branch.

The government is run on a system of checks and balances between all three branches. The Congress can create a law, the executive approves it, it becomes law, but if the Supreme court rules it unconstitutional, it is repealed.

Similarly, the President can create legislation, but it has to meet with approval from the legislature. If he can't get approval there, then it will most likely die.

In a nut shell, every branch of the national government has a modicum of power over the other, so that you can't get into a situation where one branch can dominate. Now, if a super-majority situation occurs, you've got, what amounts to, 1 party rule, which is definitely not a good thing.

The people elect all the officials in Washington, whether they be President, Senator or Representative. The Supreme Court Justices are appointed by the President and sit for life. These appointments must be approved by Congress.

The national system is basically mimicked on the state level, but instead of President's, we have Governors. And each state has their own Constitution. The basic legal systems runs this way. If a law or right isn't explicitly stated in the US Constitution, it can be "lawified" at the state level. Which means that States can, in a sense, over-ride certain laws that are passed at a federal level.

For instance. By law, Abortion in America is legal. However, if the state of Florida wanted to outlaw it, and the people of the state voted for it, then it could become illegal in the state of Florida. We have our own referendums on the state level that will allow the citizens to modify the State Constitution. To amend the US Constitution, the Amendment has to pass, unanimously by all the states by our Representatives in Congress.

Check out the wiki page, it's pretty informative. Or do some research on your own. It's quite different than the majority of systems throughout the world. We have a Representative Democracy, a Republic.

One last thing, someone said of Mccain that he was born on an airbase in Panana, while that is true, US Military Bases, Consulates, and Embassies are considered US soil by law. Anyone born there is considered a Natural Born US Citizen. Naturalized and Natural Born are two seperate meanings. My mother, who is from Czechoslovakia is a Naturalized Citizen. I am a Natural Born citizen because I was born in the United States. She cannot run for President, but I can. I have yet to see evidence as to where Mr. Obama was born, and it irks me that he refuses to release that information. Something so simple.

[Sailor Steve]

The country is going to hell in a handbasket, and has been for the past 200 years. Just ask anybody who was on the losing side of any election since 1788.

As a historian, I see this as an amazing time, one that I wasn't sure would ever come, and am glad to have lived to witness.

I disagree with Obama politically, but I also disagree with McCain, which is why I wrote in a non-candidate of my own choosing. But Clinton didn't destroy the country, and neither did Bush, despite claims to the contrary by opponents of both men. If real evidence comes to light concerning Obama's qualifications, then that will take place in its own time. Meanwhile, all the "not-a-natural-born-citizen" talk is just that, the talk of people who are predisposed to hate the man and are doing everything they can to destroy his presidency before it has a chance to prove itself one way or the other.

I'm willing to give him the chance to show his stuff (not like I have any real choice in the matter) before I change my opinion, which is that things are going to go on pretty much as they always have, with one side trying to convert the country to what they think is best, and the other side doing everything they can to stop it for the very same reason.

Most of what I see here is politics and rhetoric - also pretty much the same as always.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Sorry, double post.

Originally Posted by Christopher Snow

... see next post

You edited your posts. Didn't you see the button under 'Edit' that says 'Delete'?

[jbt308]

I agree, and I don't disparage a man for trying to make things for the better. But the truth is, I can't say I agree with anything Obama stands for, nor his party. I just don't. Nothing wrong with that, that's what makes the country work to a certain extent, the free flow of ideas.

And I don't think to say that just because you're trying to find facts, important facts ,on a person that that is necessarily an avenue to which destroy someone. Hell, being a Natural Born Citizen it's a constitutional pre-requisite for the office of the President of the United States. What pisses me off is how the simple fact of questioning and fact finding has become some sort of hate-crime just because Obama happens to be 1/2 black. God knows we know everything there is to know about Palin, Mccain and Joe the Frickin Plumber, but ask Obama for his birth certificate is tantamount to societal treason!

People need to grow thicker skins, grow up and take off the rose colored glasses. You need to earn my respect, it's not an inherent right and not given up easily.