If there is an SH5

pythos · 01-03-08, 08:59 AM

Many people have posited that if there is a next installment of the series it should be the cold war. To my knowledge those boats did little but lurk about in the dephts spooking everyone.

Nah.

I say we return to the German U-boat...in 1914.

I have played shells of fury, and would very much like the u-boats of this period of time get the treatment that UBI gave The WWII U-boats, and American submarines.

More like SH3 though, with interactive crew, and more rooms, along with water spray that makes noise:-), Propper departure and arrival with waving crowds and so on.

It would probably be a much simpler game to make seeing as the only detection methods were eyes. No sonar until later in the war. No TDC, and very dumb torpedoes. Primative boats, and just about as primative surface vessles.

For those that didn't like simulating a soldier of the sea serving a ruthless and genocidal political party led by a madman, The WWI boats served your average everyday "king" who just wanted to take land. Also, the prize rules would make the game interesting. such as a U-boat spotting a target, surfacing, pointing it's gun at the ship, and ordering those aboard off before blowing it out of the water.

Plus the boats would be risky in themselves.

What do memebers here think of proposing this idea to the Devs?

Rockin Robbins · 01-03-08, 09:30 AM

It's taking a big chance that people will not be interested in learning about something they know nothing about. We see some resistance to SH4 because the American sub program was shrouded in secrecy and therefore is less known to Europeans than the German U-Boat program. What captures people's imaginations sells. In order to capture their imagination there must be compelling reasons for curiosity about the simulation, based on some prior knowledge. Do people know enough about WWI U-boats to have that compelling curiosity? I do, but I'm plenty strange. Still I think there are rewards if Ubi is willing to take that chance.

I would welcome a WWI simulation of the quality of the SH series. I would be much less interested in WWIII lurking and gathering information, punctuated by "exciting" telephone cable splicing. It would take a lot of effort and cheap prices to entice me to bite on that one. I would buy the WWI simulation without any prompting at all.

AVGWarhawk · 01-03-08, 09:39 AM

Me too, RR!

SteamWake · 01-03-08, 10:15 AM

Ah man ! That telephone cable splicing would do it for me !

aurora-7 · 01-03-08, 10:41 AM

I'd like a WWI sub sim, too, along with a new WWI aircombat sim that would be at least the same caliber as Red Baron 3D. I haven't been able to fly an S.E.5 in years.

DavyJonesFootlocker · 01-03-08, 11:55 AM

Ah, a man after me old heart. A WWI combat flight sim is what I'm looking for and a good quality one with great gameplay and graphics.

I'd like to play a WWI sub sim also. Although I'd rather play those gunboats disguised as merchants. Imagine the look on a German captain's face when the sides of the boat comes down to reveal a plethora of guns aiming at you.

cgjimeneza · 06-25-08, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by aurora-7

I'd like a WWI sub sim, too, along with a new WWI aircombat sim that would be at least the same caliber as Red Baron 3D. I haven't been able to fly an S.E.5 in years.

Ja, does anyone remember the old WINGS for the amiga 500 with the diary, infantry straffing, ballon busting and air combat?

Iron Budokan · 01-04-08, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

Ah man ! That telephone cable splicing would do it for me !

I'm drooling just thinking about it!

scrag · 01-06-08, 12:30 AM

1. Present Cold War sub sims are very in accurate and frankly pretty stupid overall - simply not enough data is available to make it accurate enough - much easier to make a modern tank or Aircraft sim as you can get a pretty close feel on much of it. Nuclear Sub sims are simply not well done (on a SH level). Cold War 46 - 52 does not match up well historically either - NATO would have swept the seas of any creditable Soviet threat forcing a nuclear confrontation or withdrawal. NATO vs PRC ??????? Atlantic - Pacific - not happening. There was a SEATO organization but it seemingly evaporated. A PRC Vs Japan scenario is plausible and meets some of the points. Take a look at the historical timeline involved after WWII and the numbers of ships involved and my point is made.
I maintain my suggestion of bringing in the other Navies of WWII (Japan, UK, France, Italy) under there respective alliances and make them playable OR bring SHIII up to SH IV video quality, SHIV to SHIII interface, playability and merge them into one sim and add the other countires submarine forces - on a global scale would be pretty involved and entertaining.

01-03-08, 01:32 PM

There USED to be a site called www.deepangel.com (dead now), about supersonic subs, future battle, etc. Wasn't sure if it was supposed to be a CGI movie, game, or both (I assumed both). Thing used super-cavitation to go at blazing speeds under the sea, burn hydrogen taken from seawater.

Personally, I'd like to see something in the future where the outcome is not known (we all know who won WW I and WW II, the only mission is to survive until the end of the war).

Not talking about 688 attack sub, trying to keep the peace, but a real battle where you shoot, they shoot, everyone has a chance to visit Davy Jone's locker (and clean out his old socks out of said locker - they've been there way too long!).

The problem I've always had with modern subs is that it's too 'easy' - not like the subs of yester-year where they were at a major disadvantage to the much faster destroyers. The modern-day type of sub-sims just gave a few missions, try to keep WW III from starting up, etc. I've always wanted to see what those babies could do in a real shooting match. Perhaps against Dr Evil?

DavyJonesFootlocker · 01-03-08, 02:09 PM

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Davey Jone's Locker

Someone called?

Ducimus · 01-03-08, 02:24 PM

I have an alternate idea for a Sh5. Personnally, i think it should depart from historical events while maintaining some semblance of historical technical detail, and take place in a Post ww2, pre nuke boat, fictious cold war scenario.

My reasons are many:

- WW1 might not have enough cool toys to play with like homing torpedos, radar, or RWR.

- The whole WW2 axis vs allies thing is overdone. Some folks are die hard atlantic, others die hard pacific, i think its time to step away from both theaters.

- Cold war scenario has never been done as far as i know.

- Nuclear boats are boring. Diesal boats have lot more gameplay with them.

- The post WW2 era had some of the greatest advances in diesal boat technology, which could be fun to play with.

TDK1044 · 01-03-08, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

I have an alternate idea for a Sh5. Personnally, i think it should depart from historical events while maintaining some semblance of historical technical detail, and take place in a Post ww2, pre nuke boat, fictious cold war scenario.

My reasons are many:

- WW1 might not have enough cool toys to play with like homing torpedos, radar, or RWR.

- The whole WW2 axis vs allies thing is overdone. Some folks are die hard atlantic, others die hard pacific, i think its time to step away from both theaters.

- Cold war scenario has never been done as far as i know.

- Nuclear boats are boring. Diesal boats have lot more gameplay with them.

- The post WW2 era had some of the greatest advances in diesal boat technology, which could be fun to play with.

I think Ubisoft may well consider that option as a possibility.

ReallyDedPoet · 01-03-08, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TDK1044

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

I have an alternate idea for a Sh5. Personnally, i think it should depart from historical events while maintaining some semblance of historical technical detail, and take place in a Post ww2, pre nuke boat, fictious cold war scenario.

My reasons are many:

- WW1 might not have enough cool toys to play with like homing torpedos, radar, or RWR.

- The whole WW2 axis vs allies thing is overdone. Some folks are die hard atlantic, others die hard pacific, i think its time to step away from both theaters.

- Cold war scenario has never been done as far as i know.

- Nuclear boats are boring. Diesal boats have lot more gameplay with them.

- The post WW2 era had some of the greatest advances in diesal boat technology, which could be fun to play with.

I think Ubisoft may well consider that option as a possibility.

Nice

, I agree with Ducimus, nukes would be boring, but pre-nuke subs in the Cold War era could have some nice gaming possibilities.

RDP

Q3ark · 01-03-08, 02:57 PM

I think it would be cool to visit the Mediteranian with some of the British boats. There where some desperate battles out there against the Italians and the ever present Germans. The Med is very shallow and the larger T class subs had a very tough time out there. They had a high loss rate, those of you finding the pacific too easy would have much more fun in there i think

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I also agree with Duci. Nuke subs are boring. Tried sub command, still have it somewhere collecting dust. Not my cop of tea at all.

01-03-08, 08:59 AM	#1
pythos Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere over there Posts: 834 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	If there is an SH5 Many people have posited that if there is a next installment of the series it should be the cold war. To my knowledge those boats did little but lurk about in the dephts spooking everyone. Nah. I say we return to the German U-boat...in 1914. I have played shells of fury, and would very much like the u-boats of this period of time get the treatment that UBI gave The WWII U-boats, and American submarines. More like SH3 though, with interactive crew, and more rooms, along with water spray that makes noise:-), Propper departure and arrival with waving crowds and so on. It would probably be a much simpler game to make seeing as the only detection methods were eyes. No sonar until later in the war. No TDC, and very dumb torpedoes. Primative boats, and just about as primative surface vessles. For those that didn't like simulating a soldier of the sea serving a ruthless and genocidal political party led by a madman, The WWI boats served your average everyday "king" who just wanted to take land. Also, the prize rules would make the game interesting. such as a U-boat spotting a target, surfacing, pointing it's gun at the ship, and ordering those aboard off before blowing it out of the water. Plus the boats would be risky in themselves. What do memebers here think of proposing this idea to the Devs?

01-03-08, 09:30 AM	#2
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	Arrrrrrrrr! It's taking a big chance that people will not be interested in learning about something they know nothing about. We see some resistance to SH4 because the American sub program was shrouded in secrecy and therefore is less known to Europeans than the German U-Boat program. What captures people's imaginations sells. In order to capture their imagination there must be compelling reasons for curiosity about the simulation, based on some prior knowledge. Do people know enough about WWI U-boats to have that compelling curiosity? I do, but I'm plenty strange. Still I think there are rewards if Ubi is willing to take that chance. I would welcome a WWI simulation of the quality of the SH series. I would be much less interested in WWIII lurking and gathering information, punctuated by "exciting" telephone cable splicing. It would take a lot of effort and cheap prices to entice me to bite on that one. I would buy the WWI simulation without any prompting at all. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

01-03-08, 09:39 AM	#3
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,282 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Me too, RR! __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

01-06-08, 12:30 AM	#9
scrag Medic Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Pearl Harbor, Hawaii Posts: 161 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Posted on this in a previous thread 1. Present Cold War sub sims are very in accurate and frankly pretty stupid overall - simply not enough data is available to make it accurate enough - much easier to make a modern tank or Aircraft sim as you can get a pretty close feel on much of it. Nuclear Sub sims are simply not well done (on a SH level). Cold War 46 - 52 does not match up well historically either - NATO would have swept the seas of any creditable Soviet threat forcing a nuclear confrontation or withdrawal. NATO vs PRC ??????? Atlantic - Pacific - not happening. There was a SEATO organization but it seemingly evaporated. A PRC Vs Japan scenario is plausible and meets some of the points. Take a look at the historical timeline involved after WWII and the numbers of ships involved and my point is made. I maintain my suggestion of bringing in the other Navies of WWII (Japan, UK, France, Italy) under there respective alliances and make them playable OR bring SHIII up to SH IV video quality, SHIV to SHIII interface, playability and merge them into one sim and add the other countires submarine forces - on a global scale would be pretty involved and entertaining. __________________

01-03-08, 02:57 PM	#15
Q3ark Watch Officer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: York, England Posts: 346 Downloads: 47 Uploads: 0	I think it would be cool to visit the Mediteranian with some of the British boats. There where some desperate battles out there against the Italians and the ever present Germans. The Med is very shallow and the larger T class subs had a very tough time out there. They had a high loss rate, those of you finding the pacific too easy would have much more fun in there i think. I also agree with Duci. Nuke subs are boring. Tried sub command, still have it somewhere collecting dust. Not my cop of tea at all.

01-03-08, 10:15 AM	#4
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Ah man ! That telephone cable splicing would do it for me !

01-03-08, 10:41 AM	#5
aurora-7 Sailor man Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Connecticut Posts: 45 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I'd like a WWI sub sim, too, along with a new WWI aircombat sim that would be at least the same caliber as Red Baron 3D. I haven't been able to fly an S.E.5 in years.

01-03-08, 11:55 AM	#6
DavyJonesFootlocker The Old Man Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Stink Drunk in Trinidad Posts: 1,572 Downloads: 138 Uploads: 0	Ah, a man after me old heart. A WWI combat flight sim is what I'm looking for and a good quality one with great gameplay and graphics. I'd like to play a WWI sub sim also. Although I'd rather play those gunboats disguised as merchants. Imagine the look on a German captain's face when the sides of the boat comes down to reveal a plethora of guns aiming at you.

01-03-08, 01:32 PM	#10
Zayphod Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	There USED to be a site called www.deepangel.com (dead now), about supersonic subs, future battle, etc. Wasn't sure if it was supposed to be a CGI movie, game, or both (I assumed both). Thing used super-cavitation to go at blazing speeds under the sea, burn hydrogen taken from seawater. Personally, I'd like to see something in the future where the outcome is not known (we all know who won WW I and WW II, the only mission is to survive until the end of the war). Not talking about 688 attack sub, trying to keep the peace, but a real battle where you shoot, they shoot, everyone has a chance to visit Davy Jone's locker (and clean out his old socks out of said locker - they've been there way too long!). The problem I've always had with modern subs is that it's too 'easy' - not like the subs of yester-year where they were at a major disadvantage to the much faster destroyers. The modern-day type of sub-sims just gave a few missions, try to keep WW III from starting up, etc. I've always wanted to see what those babies could do in a real shooting match. Perhaps against Dr Evil?

01-03-08, 02:24 PM	#12
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	I have an alternate idea for a Sh5. Personnally, i think it should depart from historical events while maintaining some semblance of historical technical detail, and take place in a Post ww2, pre nuke boat, fictious cold war scenario. My reasons are many: - WW1 might not have enough cool toys to play with like homing torpedos, radar, or RWR. - The whole WW2 axis vs allies thing is overdone. Some folks are die hard atlantic, others die hard pacific, i think its time to step away from both theaters. - Cold war scenario has never been done as far as i know. - Nuclear boats are boring. Diesal boats have lot more gameplay with them. - The post WW2 era had some of the greatest advances in diesal boat technology, which could be fun to play with.