[WIP] All-new in-game interface for GWX - Page 7

Maraz · 10-02-07, 10:04 AM

OK so a mod that looked very promising, has been sunk by susceptibility, greed, envy and other bad feelings among modders.

Re-reading all posts, I cannot see what OLC did so badly wrong to be the first one to be denied use of GWX. He did not release anything, and he asked permission (even a bit lately) to use GWX as a basis. From what I can see, I believe his one was an original work and he did not go searching glory using some other's work. I suppose that he used GWX only because it is the most widespread supermod.

Doing this way, one will soon need to be a lawyer, or to hire a lawyer, before starting to mod!!! This is one of the reasons because I decided not to start modding, and it was a wise decision, as far as I can see.

I understand OLC, he looks to be a technical guy and did not care of bureucracy, so he was fired.

I respect the work of the GWX guys, but in this case I am with OLC, FWIW.

Maraz

Dowly · 10-02-07, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maraz

OK so a mod that looked very promising, has been sunk by susceptibility, greed, envy and other bad feelings among modders.

3...

JCWolf · 10-02-07, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maraz

Re-reading all posts, I cannot see what OLC did so badly wrong to be the first one to be denied use of GWX. He did not release anything, and he asked permission (even a bit lately) to use GWX as a basis. From what I can see, I believe his one was an original work and he did not go searching glory using some other's work. I suppose that he used GWX only because it is the most widespread supermod.

Maraz

this is what I am saying here as well,
But I end up mi opinons here and now!

We look like a car brack at the moment,
trying to brack the Modding inovation
is not a good policy as far as I see it!

Mi apologies to the GWX team for having
a diferent opinion on this but it's what I think
and has to be said! :hmm:

TheDarkWraith · 10-02-07, 10:17 AM

all opinions aside it's time to let this R.I.P.

Dowly · 10-02-07, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racerboy

all opinions aside it's time to let this R.I.P.

RIP

Kpt. Lehmann · 10-02-07, 10:24 AM

No worries Maraz and JCWolf. You are entitled to your opinion.

However, I'll simply point out again that it was onelifecrisis who made the bed that he must lie in. He chose to run his mouth off while I was writing up the approval. Nor was it the first time he chose to be a jerk to us.

What did you guys expect? Do you roll over and cry 'SURRENDER' when someone punches you in the mouth?

I think not.

TheDarkWraith · 10-02-07, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

What did you guys expect? Do you roll over and cry 'SURRENDER' when someone punches you in the mouth?

Sometimes what you don't say and what you don't do speak louder than what you could've done or said.

danlisa · 10-02-07, 10:31 AM

I will let it die after I say one more thing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

... but when a friend chooses to stand beside me, I'm not going to tell him to bugger off either....

After the modding is finished and the GWX team disbands, this statement will remain true.

GWX is only what it is because we are very close friends and after the final release of GWX, we will remain so, regardless of the sigs we wear.

RIP Thread.

JCWolf · 10-02-07, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dowly

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racerboy

all opinions aside it's time to let this R.I.P.

RIP

I realy respected you a lot!
Do not make me loose it !

Dowly · 10-02-07, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcwolf

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dowly

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racerboy

all opinions aside it's time to let this R.I.P.

RIP

I realy respected you a lot!
Do not make me loose it !

This was pointed to everyone, not only to RB. My bad.

drow711 · 10-02-07, 10:41 AM

I'm a long time reader and first time poster, and this is the first time I've ever seen a thread this negative. I have to say I agree with OLC on this one. Yeah he was a bit late asking for permission, but late or not it was done before anything was released so he did nothing wrong. It was Kpt Lehmann with his "I will be handling this by PM. In so doing, it will very likely save you a measure of embarassment." and " Impatience or rudeness, will not help the messenger making said inquiries in the slightest." comments that started this. OLC had no reason to be embarassed, but you implied he should be. I see OLC was suprised he hadn't heard back from the GWX team yet, but that's suprise, not impatience or rudeness. There was no need to add any of that. If your trying to save someone embarassment, you don't post it on a forum. You should have PM'ed him. That's what you wanted him to do, but instead you followed his lead and the whole thing gets aired in public. Two wrongs don't make a right.

I have nothing but the greatest repect for the GWX team as a whole. The time and effort you must have put in to making such an exellcent mod has to be immense. I understand how proud you all are of your work. I also agree that if someone uses you work to build upon, credit should be given. OLC does that. Whatever your past disputes with him were, he DID ask your permission, and he was giving you credit.

As for you OLC, personally I hope you continue to work on this. Start from scratch with 1.4 files and make it work. Then when it's all done you can stand up and wave it around and say it works with everything and you did it without outside help. I'll cheer you on.

Well that's enough for me, I've said my two cents worth. Probably pissed off most, if not all, entire GWX team (which I apologize for) and turned my name in toxic waste. So I am off. No hard feelings to anyone, hopefully in a week we can all be friends again.

Penelope_Grey · 10-02-07, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danlisa

GWX is only what it is because we are very close friends

Not just friends. 'Family'.

Friedl9te · 10-02-07, 10:44 AM

:hmm: Could possibly any admin show mercy and close this thread please.

Penelope_Grey · 10-02-07, 10:47 AM

Its funny that... people slate the GWX team for its choices or actions, then come and say "I have the greatest respect for you"

Dowly · 10-02-07, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Friedl9te

:hmm: Could possibly any admin show mercy and close this thread please.

Isnt euthanasia illegal.. :hmm:

10-02-07, 10:04 AM	#91
Maraz Navy Dude Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Rome, Italy Posts: 177 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	OK so a mod that looked very promising, has been sunk by susceptibility, greed, envy and other bad feelings among modders. Re-reading all posts, I cannot see what OLC did so badly wrong to be the first one to be denied use of GWX. He did not release anything, and he asked permission (even a bit lately) to use GWX as a basis. From what I can see, I believe his one was an original work and he did not go searching glory using some other's work. I suppose that he used GWX only because it is the most widespread supermod. Doing this way, one will soon need to be a lawyer, or to hire a lawyer, before starting to mod!!! This is one of the reasons because I decided not to start modding, and it was a wise decision, as far as I can see. I understand OLC, he looks to be a technical guy and did not care of bureucracy, so he was fired. I respect the work of the GWX guys, but in this case I am with OLC, FWIW. Maraz __________________ First career: VIIB U-54 Current career (Black Sea): IID U-24 GWX 2.1, U-Jagd Tools, 100% difficulty, manual targeting, DiD,

10-02-07, 10:24 AM	#96
Kpt. Lehmann GWX Project Director Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The Republic of Texas Posts: 6,993 Downloads: 124 Uploads: 0	No worries Maraz and JCWolf. You are entitled to your opinion. However, I'll simply point out again that it was onelifecrisis who made the bed that he must lie in. He chose to run his mouth off while I was writing up the approval. Nor was it the first time he chose to be a jerk to us. What did you guys expect? Do you roll over and cry 'SURRENDER' when someone punches you in the mouth? I think not. __________________ www.thegreywolves.com All you need is good men. - Heinrich Lehmann-Willenbrock

10-02-07, 10:44 AM	#103
Friedl9te Lieutenant Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Austria Posts: 268 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	:hmm: Could possibly any admin show mercy and close this thread please. __________________ Gute Jagd Ihr Himmelhunde Friedl9te Friedl9te SilentHunter III Help Thread (Sorry in German)

10-02-07, 10:47 AM	#104
Penelope_Grey Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: UK Posts: 1,893 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Its funny that... people slate the GWX team for its choices or actions, then come and say "I have the greatest respect for you" __________________ I SURVIVED THE FIRST EVER SUBSIM WEREWOLF HUNT - and... I actually won the game for the humans too!

10-02-07, 10:17 AM	#94
TheDarkWraith Black Magic Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 11,962 Downloads: 147 Uploads: 5	all opinions aside it's time to let this R.I.P.

10-02-07, 10:41 AM	#101
drow711 Bilge Rat Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 1 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I'm a long time reader and first time poster, and this is the first time I've ever seen a thread this negative. I have to say I agree with OLC on this one. Yeah he was a bit late asking for permission, but late or not it was done before anything was released so he did nothing wrong. It was Kpt Lehmann with his "I will be handling this by PM. In so doing, it will very likely save you a measure of embarassment." and " Impatience or rudeness, will not help the messenger making said inquiries in the slightest." comments that started this. OLC had no reason to be embarassed, but you implied he should be. I see OLC was suprised he hadn't heard back from the GWX team yet, but that's suprise, not impatience or rudeness. There was no need to add any of that. If your trying to save someone embarassment, you don't post it on a forum. You should have PM'ed him. That's what you wanted him to do, but instead you followed his lead and the whole thing gets aired in public. Two wrongs don't make a right. I have nothing but the greatest repect for the GWX team as a whole. The time and effort you must have put in to making such an exellcent mod has to be immense. I understand how proud you all are of your work. I also agree that if someone uses you work to build upon, credit should be given. OLC does that. Whatever your past disputes with him were, he DID ask your permission, and he was giving you credit. As for you OLC, personally I hope you continue to work on this. Start from scratch with 1.4 files and make it work. Then when it's all done you can stand up and wave it around and say it works with everything and you did it without outside help. I'll cheer you on. Well that's enough for me, I've said my two cents worth. Probably pissed off most, if not all, entire GWX team (which I apologize for) and turned my name in toxic waste. So I am off. No hard feelings to anyone, hopefully in a week we can all be friends again.