UK Politics Thread

[Skybird]

You messed it up, and they will do all they can to crush you into pieces after a Brexit.


On your knees, surrender to the EU, and beg for mercy.


We in the EU ruin ourselves - and in this we will not leave you behind. Promised.

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by Catfish

It is a bit easy to blame it all on the left. They have their problems, wrong ideologies, and some are just donkeyholes. So the alternative is to use right wing terms for "coloured people". What would you propose?

I wouldn't dream of exclusively blaming the left for anything, 'the left' is still very broad -as is the right. But they do seem to struggle will calling out their own at the moment.

As for the term 'P.O.C'
My point is that the old right wing term 'coloured' and the new left wing term ' people of colour' are equally vile.
Can you give me one good reason why we need a term to segregate whites from non-whites at all? and one that wont involve any discrimination?
No you cant. And How is lumping all non whites in to one homogeneous group not racist?
The bottom line is - in a liberal meritocracy we should not need any term for that, no good can come of it.

Ultimately the far left is just as bigoted as the far right, they just have a difference of opinion on which groups require the 'preferential treatment' in order to achieve fairness. neither one wants equality and neither one values the sovereignty of the indervidual either. To either them you are very much defined by your race.
Mixed race people in particular don't take kindly to this as you can imagine, because they face rejection from both sides for not being 'pure' enough one way or the other.

Originally Posted by Catfish

I can agree, but still think that even the craziest left have a lot more humour than those "bitter and resentful" on the right.

Hmm, maybe go on twitter and post 'there are only two Genders, lol - just kidding' and see what happens....

So... I would disagree there, how many comedians is now that are afraid of performing at College campuses? How many conservative and even liberal speakers have been shut down /cancelled in the past few years? (some genuine far right yes, but not by and large)
The far left views certain words and ideas as violence and will meet satire of say racial and gender issues with the same level of anger as the real thing. Some have actually gone to prison for 'insensitive jokes'. So yes, when we are having to censor comedy primarily to appease far left activists - they are indeed every bit as humorless.
The Nazis were not known for there great sense of humor, but neither were the soviets, or any extremist for that matter, their entire wold views are driven by anger and resentment.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by JU_88

[...] I would disagree there, how many comedians is now that are afraid of performing at College campuses?

We seem to have a completely different perception, or things are very much different in both countries.
While liberal and left-wing comedians were there quite often, theatre and events of all kinds have been mostly organised by students all over the spectrum. This has almost come to nil since the right wing organises scrapping mobs to "dissolve" such actions or meetings. A lot are frightened to enter the campus anymore, let alone organise any events that have not something to do with the studies.

This includes "left" and "central" students and comedians alike. It is not that right wingers were forbidden, but to be true there was not much coming from them ever (speaking of Goettingen here).

When it comes to right wing organisations and e.g. AfD ideological "chief" Hoecke speaking publicly in the university, this and others have not been forbidden, although there were some (still peaceful) protests from a lot of students, and citizens.

I have experienced much more hate and violence from the right spectrum here.

[JU_88]

Interesting, Where abouts are you Catfish?

This article & commentary sum it up nicely. (whats been happening to the left in the Anglo sphere at least)

[STEED]

I see no evidence we are leaving the eu. None apart from a massive wast of money for the last three odd years.

[mapuc]

I get the feeling your politicians are saying to you.

"We asked you a simple question

Shall we leave or stay in EU ?

And you couldn't give a correct answer to our very simple question.

So we will ask you again, and you better give a correct answer this time"

Markus

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I get the feeling your politicians are saying to you.

"We asked you a simple question

Shall we leave or stay in EU ?

And you couldn't give a correct answer to our very simple question.

So we will ask you again, and you better give a correct answer this time"

Markus

Yes more or less, the same kind of shenanigans that went down in Greece in 2012. 'We'll just keep asking, until we get the answer we want'.

[STEED]

Just watching the news on B&J debate last night and clearly Hunt is weak and cautious and Boris is brash and soundbites making him more dangerous.

Just going back to jim's link about the warning from the President of the WTO why something this big has not been front cover news?

[Jimbuna]

I watched the debate on ITV last night (sad me) and one thing I did notice was the fact that Boris refused to answer any of the questions Hunt put to him whilst Hunt answered every one put to him by Boris.

Nigel must be wringing his hands in delight at the thought of an upcoming general election.

[Jimbuna]

Boris lover in Tory expenses 'abuse' claim: Carrie Symonds forced to quit £80k Tory HQ job over 'poor work' and accused of costing party thousands in improper expenses.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...id=mailsignout

Quite an interesting article if true.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Quite an interesting article if true.

Hey if you don't like it call it fake news and the whole world will dismiss it

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Hey if you don't like it call it fake news and the whole world will dismiss it

True that

[Jimbuna]

Sir Kim Darroch resigns as UK ambassador to US amid row over leaked emails critical of Trump administration.

No doubt this will please Trump but I hope we find whoever is responsible for the leak.

[Catfish]

^ some comments should never be made public
Though it is just of all those comments which provide inofficial background and valuable information for real political decisions.

I hope we find whoever is responsible for the leak.

I do not think Mr. Darroch made handwritten comments, just asking which internationally used US eMail program would he use ..

Hello Microsoft, just saying

[Jimbuna]

Senior Labour figures have expressed anger and alarm over claims some of Jeremy Corbyn's closest allies tried to interfere in disciplinary processes involving allegations of anti-Semitism.

Deputy leader Tom Watson said there was a "permissive culture" of anti-Semitism in the party and Mr Corbyn was "the only one" to fix it.

But Chief Rabbi Ephraim Mirvis said the leadership was "directly complicit".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48946070

This is absolutely disgraceful and still Steptoe fails to act