US Politics Thread 2021-24

[August]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

So Reagan was working to delay the hostage release until after the election huh?

You know the hostages were held in captivity for over 440 days. That being the case how in hell did Reagan know he was going to be elected in the first place to orchestrate such a delay?


I’m sorry but I’ll stick the Carter’s Algiers accord and the Iran-Contra affair than listen to one guy’s story just popping up out of the blue after 40 years with some new kook fringe conspiracy theory that anyone who could challenge this new revelation are all dead.

I’m gonna go with the idea that Carter was a man of principle who refused to trade weapons for the hostages and worked to the end to get them released which he accomplished the day before Reagan took office. Which likely made easier due Reagan was willing to sell them the weapons they wanted.

Carter was a nice guy but he was a very weak Commander in Chief. We should have sent in troops to rescue our people right away, not let the situation linger on for months and months. I was in the Army at the time and none of us including our officers could understand our continued inaction.

Then when public pressure finally forced Carter to get off his butt he sends in a minuscule force that was ill prepared, uncoordinated and with inadequate equipment to attempt a rescue in a scheme so Harebrained that his own Secretary of State resigned in disgust over it.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

So Reagan was working to delay the hostage release until after the election huh?

He, his staff, the party - hairsplitting. Winning the election by reducing Carter's chances by deying him this success was the agenda.

You know the hostages were held in captivity for over 440 days. That being the case how in hell did Reagan know he was going to be elected in the first place to orchestrate such a delay?

More hairpslitting. It was about increasing the chances of a win for the Republicans and not allowing Carter to benefit from a success with the hostage deal. The Iranians assessed the chances of both election outcomes, and made their decisions. What did they have to lose? Nothing.

For chrissake he wasnÂ’t even nominated to run for president yet!

And how long was Trump not offically nominated - but everybody "knew" he would be the next nominee, hm...?


Obviously I hit a nerve of yours (again), else you would not weasel this much with nothing but useless rhetorical tricks.


https://www.nzz.ch/international/ira..._x_tr_pto=wapp

Or manually use Google Translator on it:
https://www.nzz.ch/international/ira...ert-ld.1744582


Plenty of more links on the web. One only must want to see them.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Skybird

He, his staff, the party - hairsplitting. Winning the election by reducing Carter's chances by deying him this success was the agenda.


More hairpslitting. It was about increasing the chances of a win for the Republicans and not allowing Carter to benefit from a success with the hostage deal. The Iranians assessed the chances of both election outcomes, and made their decisions. What did they have to lose? Nothing.


And how long was Trump not offically nominated - but everybody "knew" he would be the next nominee, hm...?


Obviously I hit a nerve of yours (again), else you would not weasel this much with nothing but useless rhetorical tricks.


https://www.nzz.ch/international/ira..._x_tr_pto=wapp

Or manually use Google Translator on it:
https://www.nzz.ch/international/ira...ert-ld.1744582


Plenty of more links on the web. One only must want to see them.

I lived through the Carter administration. Carter lost because of Carter.

Oh boy plenty of more links huh? Just look at them all they’re on the interwebs so you know it just has to be true. I’m sorry but I lived through it and experienced first hand.

Also, how much you want to bet all those links you refer to simply regurgitate the exact same thing the one before it did. So in reality it’s the same one story from the same one September 2023 source repeated time after time again. Say it enough times and people will believe it and who can refute it? Nobody can because everyone involved except that one source is dead.

And just like that some guy from Europe believes he can single handily rewrite U.S. history.

[mapuc]

You Americans who are old enough to have lived through some President know more about life during their Presidency than I and others living outside USA does.

Markus

[Buddahaid]

Here's the DOJ's 165 page filing added to the docket today outlining the evidence against Trump that Justice Chutkan has to rule on based on the SCOTUS immunity ruling.

It shows all the evidence that Jack Smith thinks still falls outside the vague Presidential immunity SCOTUS decision and is something Trump tried to have quashed in his filings. Interesting reading.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...48.252.0_2.pdf

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Here's the DOJ's 165 page filing added to the docket today outlining the evidence against Trump that Justice Chutkan has to rule on based on the SCOTUS immunity ruling.

It shows all the evidence that Jack Smith thinks still falls outside the vague Presidential immunity SCOTUS decision and is something Trump tried to have quashed in his filings. Interesting reading.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...48.252.0_2.pdf

The old October surprise.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

The old October surprise.

Only Trump and the SCOTUS are responsible for the delays that caused that.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Only Trump and the SCOTUS are responsible for the delays that caused that.

Riiight

Face it the world is on fire, the economy sucks, inflation is still rising, credit card debt rising to make ends meet, now a longshoreman strike. And Jack’s big case is the distraction.

Just think, Carter had the same problems but might have won re-election if he had the interwebz & Jack by his side. lol

[Gorpet]

Originally Posted by Torvald Von Mansee

Are u doing some Andy Kaufmanesque bit?

Well,No,I'm just giving you a fact. Andy Kaufman was a great comedian.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Riiight

Face it the world is on fire, the economy sucks, inflation is still rising, credit card debt rising to make ends meet, now a longshoreman strike. And Jack’s big case is the distraction.

Just think, Carter had the same problems but might have won re-election if he had the interwebz & Jack by his side. lol

Unlike you apparently, I’ve been following this case from the start and it has nothing to do with the strike.

[Gorpet]

[QUOTE=vienna;2928025]Well, the Canal Zone turnover was the result of a treaty agreement, ratified by the US Senate; the Canal was turned over to Panama in 1999, so Reagan and/or Bush I and/or Clinton had a shot of voiding the treaty and none of them did: Carter wasn't even in office, so, technically he didn't 'give away' the Canal all by his lonesome...

The botched hostage rescue? That all came down to some of the most incredibly inept execution of a military mission by the US military leadership in the field; even the planning, by the self-same military was spectacularly mishandled, from the Joint Chiefs on down; Carter really can't be held fully responsible for the failure of the military to competently execute his orders...

Afghanistan? What response do you think would have been adequate? When you consider that the act of the Soviets moving militarily into Afghanistan was a major boon to the West in the sense that USSR was rushing headlong into what has been described over the centuries as the "la

[Rockstar]

We did it !!! New record amount of US government debt on the first day of the fiscal year.

+$204 billion in one day !!!

[Rockstar]

Obviously this cannot be true because we’ve been assured “There is not one member of the military who is in active duty in a combat zone in any war zone around the world for the first time this century.”

Russia is in discussions with the Houthis, via Iran, to transfer long-range Onyx anti-ship missiles for use against Western ships.

The Houthis have already been targeting military and commercial vessels in the Red Sea.

In June, Russian President Vladimir Putin warned that if the West continues to allow Ukraine to strike Russia, Moscow could supply long-range weapons to forces willing to retaliate against Western nations.

Source: Reuters, The Times of Israel

[Skybird]

[Jimbuna]

Bruce Springsteen endorses Kamala Harris while eviscerating ‘dangerous’ Trump

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...17cef5d0&ei=14