Wuhan virus 2020

[Onkel Neal]

Trump (finally) shut down air travel from Europe ... starting Friday

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

Yipes! The NBA just cancelled the remainder of the season!

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Trump (finally) shut down air travel from Europe ... starting Friday

Case closed Mr. Moto! precedent is law! no jury duty for me!

[Traveller]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Tom Hanks has corvid-19

"Life is like a box of viruses. You never know which one is going to infect you."

- Coronus Gump.

(sorry, I couldn't resist)

[Reece]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal
Tom Hanks has corvid-19

Originally Posted by Traveller

"Life is like a box of viruses. You never know which one is going to infect you."

- Coronus Gump.

(sorry, I couldn't resist)

Bad taste imo.

[Traveller]

Coronavirus can remain airborne for up to 3 hours.

Also, the coronavirus could linger in aerosols for up to three hours, according to the study.

HCoV-19 — the name of the novel coronavirus — and SARS-CoV-1 “exhibited similar 38 half-lives in aerosols, with median estimates around 2.7 hours," the researchers wrote in the study.

https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-n...hnk/index.html

Originally Posted by Reece

Bad taste imo.

Gallows humor usually is.

[Onkel Neal]

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

^That's going the be the store I work at in a couple of days!


Meanwhile it's time to rock out..

[vienna]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

Yipes! The NBA just cancelled the remainder of the season!

I heard not cancelled, just postponed...


There seems to be a bit of the heavy hand of kharma at play in the NBA postponement and with a few of the other cases affected by the virus:


Congressman Matt Gaetz, a Trump true believer, openly mocked Covid-19 by wearing a gas mask to the House chambers; then he was found to have been exposed to someone with the virus and and to have hitched a ride with Trump on Air Force One; now he is in self quarantine, has potentially also exposed Trump to the virus, and reduced, for a bit, to spend a night like a homeless person:

Matt Gaetz ended up sleeping in a Walmart parking lot after potentially exposing Trump to the coronavirus --

https://www.businessinsider.com/gaet...navirus-2020-3

When he sported a gas mask on the House floor last week, critics questioned how seriously Rep. Matt Gaetz was taking the coronavirus outbreak.

But following his self-quarantine aboard Air Force One on Monday after he had been in close contact with President Donald Trump — in the same car on the way to the flight — Gaetz hit the road and skipped staying in a hotel, electing instead to spend the night in a Walmart parking lot.

"I slept in a Walmart parking lot somewhere off [Interstate] 85," Gaetz told the Pensacola News Journal from his car as he completed the drive to Florida on Tuesday.

Then there is Congressman Mark Meadows, another Trump true-believer, who was also exposed to someone with the virus and is now also in self quarantine; however, the really big problem is he was just a couple of days ago appointed by Trump as his new White House Chief-Of-Staff -- oops!:

Trump’s Incoming Chief Of Staff Under Self-Quarantine After Contact With CPAC Coronavirus Patient --

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/t...ronavirus-cpac

Given how much of a reputed germaphobe Trump is, such near contact must be driving him bonkers, particularly since he was filmed having a bit of a prolonged handshake with Congressman Doug Collins, another person who was exposed to the virus at the CPAC...


And, finally, there is the bit of kharma related to the NBA postponement: the player who tested positive for the virus prompting the NBA to call the games off is the same player who mocked publicly, in front of the press, the virus and the actions being taken to mitigate its spread:

Jazz center Rudy Gobert joked about coronavirus, touched reporters' recorders days before positive test --

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ew/5028089002/


Goes around: Comes around...


Did any one else think Trump looked particularly pained when he gave his brief address on Wednesday night? He was so stilted and awkward it kind of reminded me of one of those hostage videos where someone is holding up cue cards with the demands while another person holds a gun on the hostage speaking; did anyone see if maybe Trump was trying to send a hidden signal, you know like blinking out Morse code or something? Or, maybe, he was inwardly contemplating how he has royally screwed the pooch and frittering away his hopes of reeleection...







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[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by vienna

I heard not cancelled, just postponed...


There seems to be a bit of the heavy hand of kharma at play in the NBA postponement and with a few of the other cases affected by the virus:

"The NBA has announced the 2019-2020 season is suspended indefinitely " ie: effectively cancelled imho...

[vienna]

A nod's as good as wink...





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[ikalugin]

https://translate.google.ru/translat...Fdoc%2F4250971

Russia also seems to be behind the curve on testing, but I have not seen any agregate numbers on people tested.

[Traveller]

Japan's excuse for not testing more:

One sore point is Japan's relatively low amount of testing for the coronavirus. The health ministry has built up its testing capacity to more than 6,000 daily but is averaging only about 900 exams per day.

Health Ministry official Yasuyuki Sahara defended the Japan's response, telling a press briefing that the government was trying to prevent patients "rushing into hospitals" and disabling their ability to deal with severe cases.

https://japantoday.com/category/nati...a-investigator

THIS is a perfect example of the clueless bureaucrats who are currently running the country. They learned nothing from Fukushima. Japan is toast.

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by Traveller

Japan's excuse for not testing more:https://japantoday.com/category/nati...a-investigator

THIS is a perfect example of the clueless bureaucrats who are currently running the country. They learned nothing from Fukushima. Japan is toast.

I think you are getting over excited.

[Rufus Shinra]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

I think you are getting over excited.

Meh, as of now, people are enjoying picturing this as the end of civilization, acting as if it was mega-Ebola killing painfully all people contaminated.

It's kinda funny.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Meanwhile, I guess you saw this



https://summit.news/2020/03/10/merke...h-coronavirus/

Is that real? Or fake news? Not sure here.

Its real, in a way. The number in fact comes not from the government or health ministry, but professor Droste, who is a leading expert for Corona virusses worldwide, i mentioned him, without name, before. He is one of the discoverers of the SARS and belonged to the team developing the first quick test for sARS which was then released under his responsibility even before peer reviewing and testign was completed,he took the responsibility on his own cap just so to get the thing out the door and on the streets. He is seen as one of the gobal lead experts for corona virusses.


Droste gets his number from the R0 value, which indicates how many people an infected person infects himself per iteration of the whole process. So as long as there are many people around who have no immunization, the virus can spread unhindered and saturate the environment. Once this is done, any attempt of containment comes too late, so the priority must be to indeed contain while you still can and while there still are areas where the virus is not present. Thats why we are so royally screwed: we have left the virus so much time to spread unrecognised, that in our small countries there are practically no untouched regions left. This is different in China, apparently, which has many people, but also much more space to keep them separated, while having lcoked down traffic. Airlines still fly in the US, and busses and trains, in Germany they think abotu shuttuing down the railway system now. So that the virus cannot travel. Hongkong, Taiwan, South Korea, Singapore, on the other hand, small places in themselves, recognised the presence of the virus extremely early and IMMEDIATELY reacted, that why they are successful in slowing down the infection speed. Once sufficient numbers of people in an environment have immunisation, either by vaccine or by having been infected and survived the desease, the virus simply does nto find sufficient numbers of vitims anymore to keep up its pace, so the graoh indicating new infections starts to flatten out, and the whole thing dies out. You remember the debate about measel spreading again and vaccination levels dropping? Thats what it is about. But what does that mean, flattenign the curve? In case of MERS, the pandemic is running until today and since three years, just at a pace that it can be kept under a level that would overwhelm the health system. Indeed, now it is far from that. With Covid19, on the other hand, we are just in the starting phase...


So, the worst case scenario in Germany reads possibly two thirds of the population will get infected, unclear is over what time. They say usually the next 18-24 months.



The claim is not unopposed, another German expert says it underestimates the influence of the medical counterbattle and future medications and vaccines. But this counter argument is uncertain in itself as well. We do not know for sure. We only know that it will become much worse than it now is, that we risking getting overwhelmed by it, and that the Italians are already overwhelmed and are absolutely desperate and terribly trageides happen in their hospitals right now, in huge numbers. Tuskany and Lombardy belong to the European regions with some of the best health service structures on the continent, and different to what rockstar seem to think, their health care is not just that of any 3rd world country, but is very good in quality. Their bed saturation for the population is in the sam elevel like yours in the US.



And now their houses have run out of essentials like O2 . That much overwhelmed they are. Could you imagine what it means how desperate thign smst be if patients cannot even be provifded with O2 anymore and strike aptients get delouevred after 90 mintues instead of 8 minutes - and then are left lying in the corridors andnothign is done, becasue nbody is free anymore to do anything? They now must actively make decison whom they let die. Such conditions we usually only know from times of war.



Meanwhile the CDC has run out of key chemical agent that only gets produce din chi9na that is needed to do some inevtiable splitting thing with the virus DNA. While Rockstar boasts with how fantastic it all is, the CDC in the first weeks or so managed ot get just 170+ testings done, with hilarious with unreal bureactarzcial hurdles attached to it, becasue the intially ordere dtestkits were altered by the CDC to become multi-uporse kits - whcih showed to not function correctly. Weeks were wasted this way when testign aggressively shouold have been pushed. Just two of the prime exmaple how royally the American adminstrative level of health prividying system in the uS has failed. Its terrible in Italy and Iran, its not nive in Germany - but it seems in the US it really sucks.



Some days ago there was reprt in the Guardian, showing that in the whole UK they have only 29 or 30 certain types of intensive care repsoratoroy untis with special equipment as needed in case of very severe pneumonia. This thign sare expensive and usually do not ifteh ge tused, i think thats why thry got rid of them in hugh quantity. The brits will get flattened by what is coming at thenm, I fear, island or not. They already have it on their isand, and onc ethe logarithmic progression has started, it is unstoppable, the graoh then cna only be flattend at the oprice of widneing it, means: fewer cases in a time interval (hopefully fewer cases than that the nubmer could overwhlem the system, that is what it all is about) at the cost of exteding the duration of the pandemic going on. With a vaccine not expected before deep in 2021, and now incraingly beign said nt before 2022, this story will do its damage an fallout for months to come. Do not expect it to be over in summer or autumn.


The latest video by Travweller mentions that it seems that our joy that only the old ones have high kill ratios, was too early, and that now the oyunger ones see their pohysicvolgicla reostence haveing been eroded. they start to get flushed into Italian clincis in growing numbers. this is not unknown from SARS: the old ones got hit first the younger ones second. The hope that both strains get killed by summer temperatures, also seems to not hold.



At the present time, evertyhign works against us. And the Chinese celebrate too early. Becaseu they already lift their quarantining regime. Nobody cna make me think that they have 90% of their populaiton immunised already. In other words: the second wave is ging to ge tthem later this year, and with more power than the first one if tit goes like with the usual bhaviour os seaosnal flu: two waves, the second in autumn then beign twice as intense as he first in late winter early spring.