UK Politics Thread - Page 664

BossMark · 05-19-19, 01:39 AM

Brexit: Theresa May plans 'bold offer' to get support for deal

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48323522

Shes clutching at staws, i'll be shocked if she gets it through parliment, as for those who want her job...........

Jimbuna · 05-19-19, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BossMark

Brexit: Theresa May plans 'bold offer' to get support for deal

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48323522

Shes clutching at staws, i'll be shocked if she gets it through parliment, as for those who want her job...........

Should be interesting to see exactly what will be new but I doubt any form of her previous plan will gain sufficient support.

MGR1 · 05-19-19, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

I have to accept that although i cannot see this being true for all younger people of the UK

The answer will vary depending on where in the UK you ask it.

To start with immigration all the data so far indicates that the majority of the UK population prefers some sort of control of it, regardless of whether it's EU or non-EU. In large part for the reasons that Nordmann wrote. This is something where the UK's internecine class warfare plays a not insubstantial role. From a business perspective why employ "surly, strike prone, lazy" UK workers when their non-British conterparts will just get on with the job as the conditions are still better than back home? So on that issue, at least, internal UK social conditions are an influence.

However the extent to which that applies again will vary across the UK - it's more of an issue in an already overcrowded England than in Scotland because the former is more succesfull economically than the latter and has a greater attraction for prospective immigrants looking for employment. For Scotland (more explicitely the SNP) it's a matter of attracting workers to make up for a population level which has been largely stagnant (at approx 5 million) over the last century or so which is now exacerbated by an ageing population which needs to be supported financially.

As an aside, politicians on both sides of the Scottish Independence divide don't seem to be making any effort to find out why Scotland has had such a historical emigration problem. Perhaps trying to find out exactly why people leave Scotland in the first place rather than stay would be a start in improving it's economic performance amongst others issues.

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Originally Posted by Nordmann

The EU certainly benefits certain people (the rich get richer as it were), but does it benefit everyone? No, I don't think so, at least not if you're an ordinary working person in the UK. If you're running a business reliant on cheap EU labour, then yes, you're probably very keen to keep that relationship. But the rest of us? What does it offer us?

Free movement works very well for EU member states, and obviously for UK businesses, but what about people born in the UK? What do they get out of it, except increased competition for jobs?

That's the real problem with the whole Brexit debate, we are making long term decisions on the needs and wants of the few, rather than the whole. What best serves the ordinary citizen, not the rich business owner or politician, that's the question we should really be asking.

Very good point but this is where I think there is a distinct difference between England and Scotland. Financially I would posit the Scotland has benefitted a great deal more from the UK's EU membership than England has. This is largely due to the EU helping to fund projects in Scotland that the UK Treasury wouldn't as they were regarded as being non-financially viable when looked at from a whole UK perspective. Why pay for business and infrastructure development in the Highlands and Western Isles when the same type of projects implemented in heavily populated areas of England are much more likely to generate a substantial amount of revenue for the Treasury?

Note that this applies specifically to capital investment, i.e. infrastructure etc.

As for of the different spend per head levels between England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. It would be nice if they were the same across all the regions of the UK but I have a feeling that changing to a spending system based on need rather than an arcane calculation would still result in regional differences. I think under such a system the latter three regions would still have a higher average per head spend than England.

Mike.

STEED · 05-19-19, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BossMark

Brexit: Theresa May plans 'bold offer' to get support for deal

Pictures of her in kitten heals?

Catfish · 05-20-19, 03:30 AM

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" [...] Roman Herzog is a complete idiot, and a retard." *

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Okay. Think you are just a waste of time.

*I take this back. This was unnecesary and dumb to write by me, and it does not reflect reality. I did not like R. Herzog back then with his "Durch Deutschland muss ein Ruck gehen", but he did have his merits. Sorry.

Skybird · 05-20-19, 03:42 AM

Personally I did not like him either, after all he agreed to be a politician. But as an outspoken expert for the EU treaties and dictate of Lisbon, his criticism of these weighed heavier than the occasional chatter by ordinary Joes and fanboys. Much of what he criticised in deformations of EU development , shared by for example Giscard d'Estaing, and some others.

For the non-Germans: Herzog was German state president and before that president of the Bundesverfassungsgericht at Karlsruhe.

STEED · 05-20-19, 06:36 AM

So anyone voting this Thursday? I have not made my mind up, yes voting Brexit will stick it to the Con/Lab and the media will rub it in but it will not change a thing and they just don't give a toss how bad the hit will be.

BossMark · 05-20-19, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED

So anyone voting this Thursday? I have not made my mind up, yes voting Brexit will stick it to the Con/Lab and the media will rub it in but it will not change a thing and they just don't give a toss how bad the hit will be.

Not sure myself what do either, i know cant vote for Farage, as i dont really like him...and i am not a protest voter.

Jimbuna · 05-20-19, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by BossMark

Not sure myself what do either, i know cant vote for Farage, as i dont really like him...and i am not a protest voter.

You'll be voting for Steptoe then?

Jimbuna · 05-20-19, 08:01 AM

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MPs who want to deliver the referendum result should vote for the government's Brexit bill and worry about the detail afterwards, a senior minister has said.

A vote on the Withdrawal Agreement Bill - the legislation that will implement Brexit - is expected early next month.

Health Secretary Matt Hancock said MPs should back it "no matter the details" they want in a future relationship.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48334109

Does he seriously believe the electorate have any trust left in politicians?

Gerald · 05-20-19, 08:59 AM

Brexiteer Farage splattered in latest UK milkshake attack.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/world/ar...K-13858909.php

MGR1 · 05-20-19, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by STEED

So anyone voting this Thursday? I have not made my mind up, yes voting Brexit will stick it to the Con/Lab and the media will rub it in but it will not change a thing and they just don't give a toss how bad the hit will be.

I may don a nose peg and vote SNP. I have no confidence in the individual the Scottish Tories have placed first in their candidate list. Too much focus on her ancestry and not enough on representing Scotland. Nor will I vote for Farage.

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Originally Posted by Vendor

Brexiteer Farage splattered in latest UK milkshake attack.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/world/ar...K-13858909.php

And in Newcastle, no less.

Mike.

Jimbuna · 05-20-19, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MGR1

I may don a nose peg and vote SNP. I have no confidence in the individual the Scottish Tories have placed first in their candidate list. Too much focus on her ancestry and not enough on representing Scotland. Nor will I vote for Farage.

And in Newcastle, no less.

Mike.

Aye

STEED · 05-20-19, 04:34 PM

Nigel should sack his bodyguards for not doing their job right. Any one throwing something is always a morron.

STEED · 05-20-19, 04:38 PM

I hear tarzan is voting for the Libs, hang on he's a Tory MP.

Just as I post this I hear on the radio he has the whip withdrawn from him.

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,655 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Personally I did not like him either, after all he agreed to be a politician. But as an outspoken expert for the EU treaties and dictate of Lisbon, his criticism of these weighed heavier than the occasional chatter by ordinary Joes and fanboys. Much of what he criticised in deformations of EU development , shared by for example Giscard d'Estaing, and some others. For the non-Germans: Herzog was German state president and before that president of the Bundesverfassungsgericht at Karlsruhe. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	So anyone voting this Thursday? I have not made my mind up, yes voting Brexit will stick it to the Con/Lab and the media will rub it in but it will not change a thing and they just don't give a toss how bad the hit will be. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

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Gerald SUBSIM Newsman Join Date: May 2008 Location: Close to sea Posts: 24,254 Downloads: 553 Uploads: 0	Brexiteer Farage splattered in latest UK milkshake attack. https://www.sfgate.com/news/world/ar...K-13858909.php __________________ Nothing in life is to be feard,it is only to be understood. Marie Curie

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STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Nigel should sack his bodyguards for not doing their job right. Any one throwing something is always a morron. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

05-20-19, 04:38 PM	#9960
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	I hear tarzan is voting for the Libs, hang on he's a Tory MP. Just as I post this I hear on the radio he has the whip withdrawn from him. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!