The gawd-almighty merged DRM in Silent Hunter V thread - Page 66

02-14-10, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Nordmann

I didn't ask for your help, bugger off.

you could have just ignored his comment, there was no need to be so abrupt

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Originally Posted by Steeltrap

Perhaps I should have used a PM.

yes, the open forum wasn't the best place for correcting another members spelling errors.

im one of the worst spellers around so its a good thing being able to spell correctly isnt a requirement to post here

3DDevil · 02-14-10, 09:47 PM

I was thinking about this DRM issue and I had a thought about where UBI may be going with this.....

I recently purchased Rise of Flight, without realising the online all the time requirement. This didnt affect me greatly. Another surprise was that the game only came with 2 flyable aircraft... ROF slowly released further aircraft which you had to purchase at $7.50 US a piece. Now I purchased them and enjoy flying them... but...

I then was reading all the stuff about UBI and DRM and thought 'hey, they are only looking like releasing the game with two playable subs'... sound familiar.... and then I realised.... I bet they will release (drip feed) more subs and make you pay for them... with ROF it checks thier servers to see if you have paid for the extra planes, then when it gets an answer it allows you to use them. They have realised the error in thier ways and are releasing a patch to allow single player missons offline....

I love the SH series and own them all.... I have ordered the SH5, but I hope UBI see that this is not the right way to go and abandon this type of sales stategy. Also I hope that big yellow 'internet connection lost' sign doesnt come up on the screen like in Neal's Vids... what an immersion killer!! C'mon UBI listen to your customers....

Steeltrap · 02-14-10, 09:55 PM

Apologies for any irritation I may have caused.

Was not meaning to be a smart arse or belittle anyone. I do find it particularly irritating when people put errors in quotations from authors, but I should address that privately.

Cheers

IanC · 02-14-10, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Webster

im one of the worst spellers around so its a good thing being able to spell correctly isnt a requirement to post here

OT: Use Opera as your browser guys, built in spell checker and all. Best browser I ever used personally.

Back on topic: I hate DRM.

Reece · 02-14-10, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Webster

im one of the worst spellers around

Hmm, let me think .... Yes!

Seafireliv · 02-14-10, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 3DDevil

I was thinking about this DRM issue and I had a thought about where UBI may be going with this.....

I recently purchased Rise of Flight, without realising the online all the time requirement. This didnt affect me greatly. Another surprise was that the game only came with 2 flyable aircraft... ROF slowly released further aircraft which you had to purchase at $7.50 US a piece. Now I purchased them and enjoy flying them... but...

I then was reading all the stuff about UBI and DRM and thought 'hey, they are only looking like releasing the game with two playable subs'... sound familiar.... and then I realised.... I bet they will release (drip feed) more subs and make you pay for them... with ROF it checks thier servers to see if you have paid for the extra planes, then when it gets an answer it allows you to use them. They have realised the error in thier ways and are releasing a patch to allow single player missons offline....

I love the SH series and own them all.... I have ordered the SH5, but I hope UBI see that this is not the right way to go and abandon this type of sales stategy. Also I hope that big yellow 'internet connection lost' sign doesnt come up on the screen like in Neal's Vids... what an immersion killer!! C'mon UBI listen to your customers....

This is where it`s going, Pay to Play. It`s no good saying "I don`t like it but i`m buying anyway and hope they won`t do worse things!" You`ve got to have some backbone and vote with the only thing UBI will listen to- Your wallet! Don`t buy their games and send them a clear message you do not like it.

Otherwise they`ll carry on as long as they get your money and they won`t care- and it will get worse.

michaelws · 02-14-10, 11:06 PM

You are right...sadly so...our wallet is our only vote. Again, I won't buy because of the restrictive online requirements. And I have great bandwidth and steady connections...but I too would like to play this when and wherever I want to...not to have to play only when tethered to the internet.

Not fair.

Starforce2 · 02-15-10, 02:39 AM

you know, XP had online activation, and every once in a while I change hardware and it needs activation again, and it's no hassel. If it's good enough for the greedy sob's who make windows, then it should be good enough for ubi. I wouldn't object to a one time (or per instalation..when you actualy run the installer) that verify's my copy is authentic, then lets me install it. But once it is installed, there's no reason to continue verifying anything. You could go no cd with this same system. (that way if you accidently break your disk or your disk drive goes out..optical drives fail quite often...you could still play). I like the idea of online saves but only as an optional service.

Out of curiosity, is there a fee for this ubi account that you need to play the game? Or do you need to pay for the storage of your saves?

Arclight · 02-15-10, 03:00 AM

No no, no fees, not yet anyway.

Honestly, I doubt they would suddenly demand a fee 2 years or so down the road. The backlash would be severe, to say the least. But they could introduce a "new" system (ie. the same but with payments) for new titles and drop support for the old ones.

They promised a take-of-the ball-and-chain patch if they ever take the servers down, but they never said they wouldn't charge for such a patch (but again, the backlash would be severe).

Scary thoughts, let's hope the future is brighter than that.

3DDevil · 02-15-10, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Seafireliv

This is where it`s going, Pay to Play. It`s no good saying "I don`t like it but i`m buying anyway and hope they won`t do worse things!" You`ve got to have some backbone and vote with the only thing UBI will listen to- Your wallet! Don`t buy their games and send them a clear message you do not like it.

Otherwise they`ll carry on as long as they get your money and they won`t care- and it will get worse.

You know I know you are right... I am seriously considering cancelling my order. I will think about it a little more before I take this action, but I am looking more like another cancel...

609_Avatar · 02-15-10, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Seafireliv

This is where it`s going, Pay to Play. It`s no good saying "I don`t like it but i`m buying anyway and hope they won`t do worse things!" You`ve got to have some backbone and vote with the only thing UBI will listen to- Your wallet! Don`t buy their games and send them a clear message you do not like it.

Otherwise they`ll carry on as long as they get your money and they won`t care- and it will get worse.

You're totally right in this regard and I've finally decided to do just that, put my money where my mouth is and in this case it's right back into my own pocket. Though having said this I think the Company of Heroes guys are being a lot smarter about their way of moving towards this and I did a lot less complaining about it and don't feel as bad using it. They made the online thing optional, meaning you only have to be connected if you don't want your disk in the drive. Seeing I am, like most other humans, lazy by nature, I allow them access to my computer each time I play. I think I'm going to get off my lazy arse and start using the CD and block them with my firewall to be more consistent with my words. It shouldn't be that big of a deal for me as I don't play it that much anyway... So this whole DRM thing is really backfiring on the industry in my house!

DrBassie · 02-15-10, 03:17 PM

I'm not usually one to complain about some little things in games, as some others on here are apt to do, but this DRM system they have is ridiculous. I can deal with having the DVD in the drive while playing, etc, but a single-player game should not have to be connected to the internet while playing. This is the ONLY reason why I am not buying this game. I'm sure there willl be flaws with the game that I would've lived with but this is one flaw which I can't.

Skullcowboy · 02-15-10, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

I'm not sure "quickly" is the word you're looking for, they tell me ROF kept their DRM in place 11 months. That sounds like it did its job.

Perhaps. There are several rumors floating around about the whys and wherefores of Neoqb dropping the requirement of a connection for single player. But most telling is their official announcement about it. I would think (my opinion only) that if the DRM had been a resounding success they would trumpet that from the roof tops and brag about how much money they saved because of it and how it was no longer needed. Instead, we get some talk about forum polls, customer opinions, network stats and marketing trends and how they are confident that legitimate copies will outnumber pirated ones. What I take away from all this (again, just my opinion) is that doing this will sell more copies. I am not so sure I would equate that to the DRM having done it's job.
Read and judge for yourselves :http://riseofflight.com/Blogs/post/2010/02/05/LOGIN-OFFLINE-ACCESS-GRANTED!!!.aspx

Dutch · 02-15-10, 05:01 PM

I do not plan on buying the game mainly for the DRM, secondly for the end of the game being in 1943. I guess all those history books telling me that the war went on through May, 1945 were just lying.

As with others posted here, I would not mind having to get online once to validate my install. That I understand, but to have to be connected to the internet whenever I want to play the game that I purchased, is a crime. Personally this is a load of **** to me seeing as occasionally when the phone rings my internet drops anywhere from 10 seconds to the time it takes me to reboot the modem and hub.

By trying to handicap the pirate (which they will never be able to do. Where there is a will there is a way, period) they are handicapping the person who legitimately purchased the game. To the ones who are ok with this? Then you are nothing more than a sheep. End of story.

Ham920 · 02-15-10, 05:42 PM

I like the Dynamic Campaign concept of the new SH 5, but I'm upset about having to connect to the Internet each time I play. I don't play any games on line; I find it challenging enough to play against the PC and the Internet connection issue could be a deal breaker for me. I have all of the SH series, I, II, III, and IV and enjoy them very much. What if I'm having trouble connecting to the Internet? Can't play? I'm shelling out may be $50.00 and I have to ask for UbiSoft's permission to play ? That's B.S. and very poor marketing and customer service. Matter of fact it sounds like customer abuse to me. Time to boycott UbiSoft and get the idiot who thought up this conept fired!

02-14-10, 09:47 PM	#977
3DDevil Watch Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Down Under Posts: 24 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Paying for more Submarines I was thinking about this DRM issue and I had a thought about where UBI may be going with this..... I recently purchased Rise of Flight, without realising the online all the time requirement. This didnt affect me greatly. Another surprise was that the game only came with 2 flyable aircraft... ROF slowly released further aircraft which you had to purchase at $7.50 US a piece. Now I purchased them and enjoy flying them... but... I then was reading all the stuff about UBI and DRM and thought 'hey, they are only looking like releasing the game with two playable subs'... sound familiar.... and then I realised.... I bet they will release (drip feed) more subs and make you pay for them... with ROF it checks thier servers to see if you have paid for the extra planes, then when it gets an answer it allows you to use them. They have realised the error in thier ways and are releasing a patch to allow single player missons offline.... I love the SH series and own them all.... I have ordered the SH5, but I hope UBI see that this is not the right way to go and abandon this type of sales stategy. Also I hope that big yellow 'internet connection lost' sign doesnt come up on the screen like in Neal's Vids... what an immersion killer!! C'mon UBI listen to your customers....

02-15-10, 02:39 AM	#983
Starforce2 Planesman Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: minnesota Posts: 189 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	you know, XP had online activation, and every once in a while I change hardware and it needs activation again, and it's no hassel. If it's good enough for the greedy sob's who make windows, then it should be good enough for ubi. I wouldn't object to a one time (or per instalation..when you actualy run the installer) that verify's my copy is authentic, then lets me install it. But once it is installed, there's no reason to continue verifying anything. You could go no cd with this same system. (that way if you accidently break your disk or your disk drive goes out..optical drives fail quite often...you could still play). I like the idea of online saves but only as an optional service. Out of curiosity, is there a fee for this ubi account that you need to play the game? Or do you need to pay for the storage of your saves? __________________ http://silenthunter.filefront.com/We accept all types of Silent hunter mods, utility and tutorial items too.

02-15-10, 03:00 AM	#984
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	No no, no fees, not yet anyway. Honestly, I doubt they would suddenly demand a fee 2 years or so down the road. The backlash would be severe, to say the least. But they could introduce a "new" system (ie. the same but with payments) for new titles and drop support for the old ones. They promised a take-of-the ball-and-chain patch if they ever take the servers down, but they never said they wouldn't charge for such a patch (but again, the backlash would be severe). Scary thoughts, let's hope the future is brighter than that. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

02-15-10, 05:01 PM	#989
Dutch Sonar Guy Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: United States Posts: 376 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	I do not plan on buying the game mainly for the DRM, secondly for the end of the game being in 1943. I guess all those history books telling me that the war went on through May, 1945 were just lying. As with others posted here, I would not mind having to get online once to validate my install. That I understand, but to have to be connected to the internet whenever I want to play the game that I purchased, is a crime. Personally this is a load of **** to me seeing as occasionally when the phone rings my internet drops anywhere from 10 seconds to the time it takes me to reboot the modem and hub. By trying to handicap the pirate (which they will never be able to do. Where there is a will there is a way, period) they are handicapping the person who legitimately purchased the game. To the ones who are ok with this? Then you are nothing more than a sheep. End of story. __________________ \"Ask Not What Your Country Can Do For You, Ask What You Can Do For Your Country.\" President John F. Kennedy

02-15-10, 05:42 PM	#990
Ham920 Bosun Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 66 Downloads: 1286 Uploads: 0	Internet Connection? I like the Dynamic Campaign concept of the new SH 5, but I'm upset about having to connect to the Internet each time I play. I don't play any games on line; I find it challenging enough to play against the PC and the Internet connection issue could be a deal breaker for me. I have all of the SH series, I, II, III, and IV and enjoy them very much. What if I'm having trouble connecting to the Internet? Can't play? I'm shelling out may be $50.00 and I have to ask for UbiSoft's permission to play ? That's B.S. and very poor marketing and customer service. Matter of fact it sounds like customer abuse to me. Time to boycott UbiSoft and get the idiot who thought up this conept fired!

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02-14-10, 09:55 PM	#978
Steeltrap Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 818 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Apologies for any irritation I may have caused. Was not meaning to be a smart arse or belittle anyone. I do find it particularly irritating when people put errors in quotations from authors, but I should address that privately. Cheers

02-14-10, 11:06 PM	#982
michaelws Seaman Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Kailua-Kona, Hawaii Posts: 38 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	You are right...sadly so...our wallet is our only vote. Again, I won't buy because of the restrictive online requirements. And I have great bandwidth and steady connections...but I too would like to play this when and wherever I want to...not to have to play only when tethered to the internet. Not fair.

02-15-10, 03:17 PM	#987
DrBassie Bilge Rat Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I'm not usually one to complain about some little things in games, as some others on here are apt to do, but this DRM system they have is ridiculous. I can deal with having the DVD in the drive while playing, etc, but a single-player game should not have to be connected to the internet while playing. This is the ONLY reason why I am not buying this game. I'm sure there willl be flaws with the game that I would've lived with but this is one flaw which I can't.