[REL] Real Fleet Boat - Page 65

LukeFF · 06-21-07, 05:44 PM

Beery, can you list the deck gun reload times you will be using in the next update, so we can plug them in ahead of time?

Also, these Mark 14s sure are strange. I'm playing a campaign right now in August 1942, and I just sank a Large Old Passenger Carrier with 4 torpedo hits out of six fired. The two that misssed, ironically, were only because of targeting errors I made and/or because of the target's zigzagging. I guess the ammo supply gods were smiling on me, eh?

Beery · 06-21-07, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LukeFF

Beery, can you list the deck gun reload times you will be using in the next update, so we can plug them in ahead of time?

As of right now I'm using 25 seconds for all the deck guns. This brings the 3" and 4" guns into line with the 5" gun which was already set to 25 seconds.

Fearless · 06-21-07, 07:58 PM

I believe the reality simulated by Beery's RFB is excellent. Having read many of the posts in this thread, indicates that there's a mixed feeling of what is reality and what is historically accurate. Correct me if I'm wrong but as far as I interpret Beery's mod to closely simulate is the effective decision making of a captain under conditions simulated as close as possible to the real deal. Who cares if a CV sinks after 1 torpedo hit or 6 for that matter. I've had no such luck yet. I haven't even had a remote chance to get anywhere near close to the big caps without being driven away by the screens.

The game is a simulation afterall and if you can find a game that is 100% accurate in both realism and historically in every bit of detail then I'll be the first to shout the bar. Just remember, us actively playing the game changes the whole aspect to what happened in the past. Everyone gets different results but at the end of the day the game still ends the war no matter what every individual has contributed towards the cause.

Great Mod Beery. Well that's my opinion.

nomad_delta · 06-21-07, 08:38 PM

Hi Beery!

I've just recently installed and have been playing with RFB 1.28, and am having a great time so far. I have a couple questions, though, if you have time:

1. Are any of the "dimensions fix" mods (such as "JP Ship Dimension Fix" or CapnScurvy's "Imperial Range Correction") incorporated into RFB, or would you recommend installing those separately?

2. Is "Nematode's Fix for Merchant ships missing Horse Power" or a similar fix or merchants "stalling out" incorporated into RFB, or should I load that up as well? I just had a Coastal Freighter stall out during a turn on me, so I'm thinking maybe not on that one.

Hopefully the new 1.3 patch will fix all the dimensions stuff and make the above mods obsolete, but in the meantime...

Also out of curiosity, do you use any mods other than RFB yourself?

Anyway, cheers and thank you for making this excellent mod! Its made the game lots more fun for me.

nomad_delta

PS: I totally dig the longer deck gun reload times. The things are way overpowered, anyway.

tater · 06-21-07, 08:54 PM

Yeah, even before I took to RFB, I stopped using the deck gun cause it was just too easy. None the less, there were a few times I got damaged to the point I needed to do a battle surface and make a break for it (sinking so that blowing tanks was the only option). Without RFB longer reload times, I have gotten away in that situation, at that point it's hard not to at least try, ya know? Nicer to have to try with more realistic restrictions.

tater

ReallyDedPoet · 06-21-07, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by tater

Yeah, even before I took to RFB, I stopped using the deck gun cause it was just too easy. None the less, there were a few times I got damaged to the point I needed to do a battle surface and make a break for it

I use it as a last resort as well. Used to use it a lot in SH3, got boring after awhile.
Fun with the Uberboot though

RDP

Beery · 06-22-07, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by nomad_delta

Hi Beery!

I've just recently installed and have been playing with RFB 1.28, and am having a great time so far. I have a couple questions, though, if you have time:

1. Are any of the "dimensions fix" mods (such as "JP Ship Dimension Fix" or CapnScurvy's "Imperial Range Correction") incorporated into RFB, or would you recommend installing those separately?

2. Is "Nematode's Fix for Merchant ships missing Horse Power" or a similar fix or merchants "stalling out" incorporated into RFB, or should I load that up as well? I just had a Coastal Freighter stall out during a turn on me, so I'm thinking maybe not on that one.

Hopefully the new 1.3 patch will fix all the dimensions stuff and make the above mods obsolete, but in the meantime...

Also out of curiosity, do you use any mods other than RFB yourself?...

The dimension fix is not in RFB because in reality ship captains often ordered their crews to extend or reduce the length of the mast to combat the threat from submarines. In this case a game bug works towards added realism.

Nematode's fix hasn't been included yet because I haven't been able to test it adequately. I'm definitely for including it though.

Apart from RFB the only other mods I use are my own 'Pin-ups' mod and my own radio mod which I made up from a bunch of different ones from other modders.

tater · 06-22-07, 09:55 AM

Elanaiba said that nematode's fix was being added to 1.3.

It corrects errors, and it seems to drastically reduce the stalled convoys for me.

vatek · 06-22-07, 10:02 AM

That's a pretty high honor, having a mod being incorporated into a patch.

Hawk_345 · 06-23-07, 01:39 PM

ive been folowing this mod for a while now and i am going to try it, but now i have all sorts of graphic enhancements like the beter leaks mod, Krillers land and harbour upgrade, and captain cox's real navy hat, belt, dolphin pins, rank insignias, along with a fix for US torp bombers, ingame the us torp bombers are messed up when they drop their torps, the torps go backwards and then forwads,at least thats what i read so i put this fix in, will this afect anything in the game with this mod. Also, with permision of course, if these do work with the mod maybe you could include them as they do give a more of a realistic feel to the game.

EDIT: i just tried the mod on its own, i was on my first patrol, i had to drop off an agent, but along the way i saw a lone merchant steaming, i headed for him and when i was jsut about in range i got a random CTD, i have no idea why, the only thing i can think of is that the game could not handle the long time compresion i had it on i guess, what do you guys think?

Palidian · 06-23-07, 04:37 PM

Hello

I installed your mod, and have some issues with it. You claim to want to make a realistic simulation. However the battery power on the gato lasts two days at 1/3 power. I do like for the most part what you did to the torpedoes. I notice that you may not select contact only hopefully, that will change after a certain date. Some issues however, there seems to be an accuracy issue with your mod, making the torpedoes not hit go down the set heading. I was unaware of issues of this kind with US torpedoes. I also noticed that while you may select the mark 10 torpedo, it seems to preform the same as the mark 14s. I have also noticed some issues with the damage model. I started the war with with a salmon class, the first boat I found was a DD, I fired two torps getting one hit, one dud, one hit, this put it dead in the water, and long story short, I unloaded the rest of the torpedoes on the boat into it, while waiting for reloading, I fired the deck gun. I got 5 hits, a lot of misses, odd since I was within 500 yards and it was not moving. After 100 4”HE rounds and 50 4” AP rounds it finally sank. Second issue with a gato, I found a large transport, and a small transport, I sank the large with two hits, and could not get the torpedoes to hit the small, most going underneath. After running out of torps, I surfaced, and expended all the 4” HE rounds and about 100 4” AP rounds. I was able to sink a heavy cruiser with 4 torps getting two hits, one dud and one premature detonation. I do like the reduced amount of contacts.

Just some of my comments about your mod.

tedhealy · 06-23-07, 05:18 PM

I think I'll take a crack at answering some of these, I'm just a RFB user

Quote:

Originally Posted by Palidian

Hello

I installed your mod, and have some issues with it. You claim to want to make a realistic simulation. However the battery power on the gato lasts two days at 1/3 power.

And? Are you looking for more or less? Either way, 48 hour submerged endurance for gato is correct.

Quote:

I do like for the most part what you did to the torpedoes. I notice that you may not select contact only hopefully, that will change after a certain date.

Are you talking about when you switch to contact detonator how it will switch itself back within 30 seconds? If so, that is a stock game bug.

Quote:

Some issues however, there seems to be an accuracy issue with your mod, making the torpedoes not hit go down the set heading. I was unaware of issues of this kind with US torpedoes.

Happened in real life. Torpedoes sometimes veered off on the wrong heading or ran a circle.

Quote:

I also noticed that while you may select the mark 10 torpedo, it seems to preform the same as the mark 14s.

I don't believe the mod Beery used for realistic torpedoes touched the mark 10s. They should be stock (so they should work better than the 14s), but I'm not 100% positive on that.

Quote:

I have also noticed some issues with the damage model. I started the war with with a salmon class, the first boat I found was a DD, I fired two torps getting one hit, one dud, one hit, this put it dead in the water, and long story short, I unloaded the rest of the torpedoes on the boat into it, while waiting for reloading, I fired the deck gun.
I got 5 hits, a lot of misses, odd since I was within 500 yards and it was not moving. After 100 4”HE rounds and 50 4” AP rounds it finally sank.

The accuracy of the deck gun crew is unchanged by RFB. If you are unhappy with their aim, you can always take control. Under 2000 yards, my limited experience with the deck gun usually produced 75% hits I would estimate. As the range increased it would drop down to well below 50% hits. Did you have guys with high gun ratings manning the deck gun?

Quote:

Second issue with a gato, I found a large transport, and a small transport, I sank the large with two hits, and could not get the torpedoes to hit the small, most going underneath.

What did you set the depth at? Torps can malfunction by running deeper than their set depth as they did in real life.

Palidian · 06-23-07, 10:35 PM

Yes a Gato can stay down for 48 hrs, even longer, but not at a speed of 4 knots, that time is about 14 hrs.

The switch does not switch back in my game, during play, unless you load a save, only after I installed the mod, and you will hear them click back.

Yes torps did have gyro malfunctions however not at the rate, with this mod, as I said 500 yards at a stationary target, I only got about a 40% hit rate. Of that most were duds, this is accurate with magnetic detonators. The USS Tang was sunk by one of its own torps, it was the only ship to my knowlege.

I was personally firing the deck gun and never missed.

I set the depth at the minimum allowed, I have hindsight, knowing that the warhead was heaver then the test warhead, and the nose tended to run low causing the torpedo to run 7 to 11 feet deeper. This was not an issue with the Mark 10 IRL, however the mod gives them poor firing pins, and they run deep. In the normal game they are good torpedoes, however there too common.

Over all it is a good mod however it has some issues.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tedhealy

I think I'll take a crack at answering some of these, I'm just a RFB user

Quote:

Originally Posted by Palidian

Hello

I installed your mod, and have some issues with it. You claim to want to make a realistic simulation. However the battery power on the gato lasts two days at 1/3 power.

And? Are you looking for more or less? Either way, 48 hour submerged endurance for gato is correct.

Quote:

I do like for the most part what you did to the torpedoes. I notice that you may not select contact only hopefully, that will change after a certain date.

Are you talking about when you switch to contact detonator how it will switch itself back within 30 seconds? If so, that is a stock game bug.

Quote:

Some issues however, there seems to be an accuracy issue with your mod, making the torpedoes not hit go down the set heading. I was unaware of issues of this kind with US torpedoes.

Happened in real life. Torpedoes sometimes veered off on the wrong heading or ran a circle.

Quote:

I also noticed that while you may select the mark 10 torpedo, it seems to preform the same as the mark 14s.

I don't believe the mod Beery used for realistic torpedoes touched the mark 10s. They should be stock (so they should work better than the 14s), but I'm not 100% positive on that.

Quote:

I have also noticed some issues with the damage model. I started the war with with a salmon class, the first boat I found was a DD, I fired two torps getting one hit, one dud, one hit, this put it dead in the water, and long story short, I unloaded the rest of the torpedoes on the boat into it, while waiting for reloading, I fired the deck gun.
I got 5 hits, a lot of misses, odd since I was within 500 yards and it was not moving. After 100 4”HE rounds and 50 4” AP rounds it finally sank.

The accuracy of the deck gun crew is unchanged by RFB. If you are unhappy with their aim, you can always take control. Under 2000 yards, my limited experience with the deck gun usually produced 75% hits I would estimate. As the range increased it would drop down to well below 50% hits. Did you have guys with high gun ratings manning the deck gun?

Quote:

Second issue with a gato, I found a large transport, and a small transport, I sank the large with two hits, and could not get the torpedoes to hit the small, most going underneath.

What did you set the depth at? Torps can malfunction by running deeper than their set depth as they did in real life.

Palidian · 06-23-07, 10:42 PM

I do like the green color on the active buttons, makes them easer to see, altho I still seem to run 2-3 days at battlestations. hehe

Palidian · 06-24-07, 12:42 AM

Second test, I took a S 18 boat, and was experiencing similar issues with the torps. I stumbled across an invasion task force, in the norther Philippines, the transports were traveling 1 knot, I was able to get past the DD screen, and out of 12 torps, I scored 9 hits, all duds, 3 misses, one went underneath. The Mark 10 torp did not have the issues of the Mark 14, there was no magnetic detonator, the firing pin was designed for that torp, unlike the mark 14 was designed for the mark 15 that was a 33 knot torp, and could not take the 46 knot impact, and the mark 10 torp ran at the set depth.

06-23-07, 01:39 PM	#970
Hawk_345 Medic Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 160 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	ive been folowing this mod for a while now and i am going to try it, but now i have all sorts of graphic enhancements like the beter leaks mod, Krillers land and harbour upgrade, and captain cox's real navy hat, belt, dolphin pins, rank insignias, along with a fix for US torp bombers, ingame the us torp bombers are messed up when they drop their torps, the torps go backwards and then forwads,at least thats what i read so i put this fix in, will this afect anything in the game with this mod. Also, with permision of course, if these do work with the mod maybe you could include them as they do give a more of a realistic feel to the game. EDIT: i just tried the mod on its own, i was on my first patrol, i had to drop off an agent, but along the way i saw a lone merchant steaming, i headed for him and when i was jsut about in range i got a random CTD, i have no idea why, the only thing i can think of is that the game could not handle the long time compresion i had it on i guess, what do you guys think? Last edited by Hawk_345; 06-23-07 at 04:14 PM.

06-21-07, 05:44 PM	#961
LukeFF Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Riverside, California Posts: 3,610 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 5	Beery, can you list the deck gun reload times you will be using in the next update, so we can plug them in ahead of time? Also, these Mark 14s sure are strange. I'm playing a campaign right now in August 1942, and I just sank a Large Old Passenger Carrier with 4 torpedo hits out of six fired. The two that misssed, ironically, were only because of targeting errors I made and/or because of the target's zigzagging. I guess the ammo supply gods were smiling on me, eh?

06-21-07, 07:58 PM	#963
Fearless Ace of the Deep Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts: 1,047 Downloads: 340 Uploads: 1	I believe the reality simulated by Beery's RFB is excellent. Having read many of the posts in this thread, indicates that there's a mixed feeling of what is reality and what is historically accurate. Correct me if I'm wrong but as far as I interpret Beery's mod to closely simulate is the effective decision making of a captain under conditions simulated as close as possible to the real deal. Who cares if a CV sinks after 1 torpedo hit or 6 for that matter. I've had no such luck yet. I haven't even had a remote chance to get anywhere near close to the big caps without being driven away by the screens. The game is a simulation afterall and if you can find a game that is 100% accurate in both realism and historically in every bit of detail then I'll be the first to shout the bar. Just remember, us actively playing the game changes the whole aspect to what happened in the past. Everyone gets different results but at the end of the day the game still ends the war no matter what every individual has contributed towards the cause. Great Mod Beery. Well that's my opinion.

06-21-07, 08:38 PM	#964
nomad_delta Planesman Join Date: May 2007 Location: San Francisco, California Posts: 185 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Hi Beery! I've just recently installed and have been playing with RFB 1.28, and am having a great time so far. I have a couple questions, though, if you have time: 1. Are any of the "dimensions fix" mods (such as "JP Ship Dimension Fix" or CapnScurvy's "Imperial Range Correction") incorporated into RFB, or would you recommend installing those separately? 2. Is "Nematode's Fix for Merchant ships missing Horse Power" or a similar fix or merchants "stalling out" incorporated into RFB, or should I load that up as well? I just had a Coastal Freighter stall out during a turn on me, so I'm thinking maybe not on that one. Hopefully the new 1.3 patch will fix all the dimensions stuff and make the above mods obsolete, but in the meantime... Also out of curiosity, do you use any mods other than RFB yourself? Anyway, cheers and thank you for making this excellent mod! Its made the game lots more fun for me. nomad_delta PS: I totally dig the longer deck gun reload times. The things are way overpowered, anyway.

06-21-07, 08:54 PM	#965
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Yeah, even before I took to RFB, I stopped using the deck gun cause it was just too easy. None the less, there were a few times I got damaged to the point I needed to do a battle surface and make a break for it (sinking so that blowing tanks was the only option). Without RFB longer reload times, I have gotten away in that situation, at that point it's hard not to at least try, ya know? Nicer to have to try with more realistic restrictions. tater

06-22-07, 09:55 AM	#968
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Elanaiba said that nematode's fix was being added to 1.3. It corrects errors, and it seems to drastically reduce the stalled convoys for me.

06-22-07, 10:02 AM	#969
vatek Sailor man Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 44 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	That's a pretty high honor, having a mod being incorporated into a patch.

06-23-07, 04:37 PM	#971
Palidian Gunner Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 98 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Hello I installed your mod, and have some issues with it. You claim to want to make a realistic simulation. However the battery power on the gato lasts two days at 1/3 power. I do like for the most part what you did to the torpedoes. I notice that you may not select contact only hopefully, that will change after a certain date. Some issues however, there seems to be an accuracy issue with your mod, making the torpedoes not hit go down the set heading. I was unaware of issues of this kind with US torpedoes. I also noticed that while you may select the mark 10 torpedo, it seems to preform the same as the mark 14s. I have also noticed some issues with the damage model. I started the war with with a salmon class, the first boat I found was a DD, I fired two torps getting one hit, one dud, one hit, this put it dead in the water, and long story short, I unloaded the rest of the torpedoes on the boat into it, while waiting for reloading, I fired the deck gun. I got 5 hits, a lot of misses, odd since I was within 500 yards and it was not moving. After 100 4”HE rounds and 50 4” AP rounds it finally sank. Second issue with a gato, I found a large transport, and a small transport, I sank the large with two hits, and could not get the torpedoes to hit the small, most going underneath. After running out of torps, I surfaced, and expended all the 4” HE rounds and about 100 4” AP rounds. I was able to sink a heavy cruiser with 4 torps getting two hits, one dud and one premature detonation. I do like the reduced amount of contacts. Just some of my comments about your mod.

06-23-07, 10:42 PM	#974
Palidian Gunner Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 98 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	I do like the green color on the active buttons, makes them easer to see, altho I still seem to run 2-3 days at battlestations. hehe

06-24-07, 12:42 AM	#975
Palidian Gunner Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 98 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Second test, I took a S 18 boat, and was experiencing similar issues with the torps. I stumbled across an invasion task force, in the norther Philippines, the transports were traveling 1 knot, I was able to get past the DD screen, and out of 12 torps, I scored 9 hits, all duds, 3 misses, one went underneath. The Mark 10 torp did not have the issues of the Mark 14, there was no magnetic detonator, the firing pin was designed for that torp, unlike the mark 14 was designed for the mark 15 that was a 33 knot torp, and could not take the 46 knot impact, and the mark 10 torp ran at the set depth.