UK Politics Thread

[Skybird]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47756122


"Make them vote until they break." That does not just make mockery of the principle of majority rules - but its raping them.


Scum.


All that to enforce that for example a cusotm unions gets established where the UK can never hope to become economically indepedent and soverign from the the EU, but is banned to sign its own trade deals, and must obey EU rules accompanied with the cusotm union that further ridicue the claim they did a Brexit.


Its like was to be feared: they steal the Brexit. Formally they agree to it, in vital parts they bypass it and turn it into a pointless thing.



Lying, treacherous scum.

[STEED]

^The DUP will continual to vote it down while the backstop stays in place.

More amendments monday but I'm at work what a relief.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Skybird

The EU wants it all, and it wants it any way.


https://www.politico.eu/pro/uk-cant-...9627-190417541


The wet dream of EU gangsters: "The world is all ours, no matter what."

That is quite an eye-opening article Sky and sadly, one I believe to me true.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

That is quite an eye-opening article Sky and sadly, one I believe to me true.

To a certain degree I can accept and understand point one, the fincial thing. That the UK pays in so far as it had agreed to longterm deicisons covering one fiscal period and, while leaving, compensated for the fallout of its contribution to it. But that sum of money of cours emjst have time-limits, the UK cannot be expected to pay for all time to come as if it were still a member. The maximum, in theory, imo is the costs of British contributions ovr the past fiscal perdiod. Both sides will try to calculate this in their favour, of course. I do not trust th Brussels numbers and their logic.


Poi8nt two, rights of citizens in the other country, alredy is where the EU starts to operate by double standards, it demands from the UK (whcih meanwhile voluntarily andunilaterally has said it guarantees certain rights of foreginers in the UK even in case of a no deal Brexit) what it doe snot demand from trading partners outside Europe, not even if the trading opartner is a highly supressive country engaged in humanitarian violations.



The demand that the UK must obey protection of good friday treaty, which translate sinto voluntary surrender by the UK under the Backstop regime, is arrogant, and absolutely unacceptable. It is desirable as a gioal and I think the UK even agrees in that it would be the deirable outcome, but a legal claim, a cause to raise imperative demands, is not given. The UK is under no obligaiton whatever to follow this at any cost. Again, the EU acts by double stanbdard shere, it would not dare to raise such cocnerns towards imprtant trade partners outside Europe, at leastr leave sit to words and is impotent and/or unwilling to boost it up by deeds. Obvious,y one seeks again to maximise the vulernabilites and weaknesses of the UK here.


Its loike i always said: Brussle leads th enegotaitons with a maximum of underhandedness and malice, while Londown in the past led them with a maximum of naivety and reality denial.


The UK side, in case of a No dela Brexit, would need to run its affairs in a very different, confronting fashion, less caring about manners and diplomatic "harmony". It also woud need to reinvent certain parts of itself, namely its economy. Untriggering a low-tax-war aga8inst the continet canotbe avoided to be a part of it, and Brussel of course will react utmost hositle to that - but it cannot be helped. Comnptition for tax-attrractriveness must be part of it: and will be good for Britain, while continental state robbers will of course hate it and label it "criminal".



The block will also seek to intimidate nations outside Europe to make them not signing treaties with the UK, to make it all mor miserable for the UK. Like the Mafia family in all movies doe snot allow you to leave face first, the eU intends to not allow the UK a life outside the block without trying evertyhing to make life for it a pain. The UK must be prevcented to become a successful exmaple for that the block can indeed be left - this precedent mjst be porevented AT ALL COST. Thus, maximum damage is highly desirable from point of view of the EU. The worst it gets, the better.



The other cards the UK can play, is withdrawal from poloce, intel and military ooperation. Even nside NATO. Europe needs Britain much more, especially in the Intel area and the field of nuclear deterrance (the french have not fully committed their nukes to NATO command), then the UK needs the contionent, and the British intel service is probably the most capable in all Europe, before the French. The two british new carriers however of course are an own goal without being able to internationally embedding them in supportive maritime assets.



The british new game must be threatening retaliation if the EU pushes it too far. This always prioritized demand for consent and harmony, is almnost pathologic, and I say that as an ex-pschologist. Not wanting to fight, but being able to fight, are two different things.

[Skybird]

by Banksy

[em2nought]

Defeating Nazi Germany was easier to do than Brexit. LMAO

[Skybird]

Spoken with a furious verve.

Be warned, this video helps to massively improve your English vocabulary in an unwanted manner.



"These are all massive public policy failures, which has led down to a breakdown of trust between the electorate and the government. You sprinkle a tiny bit of "Its immigrants' fault!", and "We pay the EU too much!" - its gonna resonate with the have-nots and the struggling... Four million people voted UKIP in 2015, they ended up with 1 MP - that's not healthy! ... They wanted to send a message: they did not want the status quo, and thats how you get Brexit! Brexit was sold us as a panacea, in fact its the opposite, but Brexit has acchieved one thing: whilst Brexit wont solve any of our underlying problems, it has exposed them. Our constitution, our institutions, our democratic system and our politicians - they are not fit for purpose..."

I repeatedly said that the past two, three years got wasted by the UK government. I ma yhave been too shortsigthed. Its probably more correct to say that the past 20, 30 years have been wasted. But then, that deep insight into domestic British policy affairs I had not. I took note of two things only: thje massive money laundering the British economy dores for regimes from the Middle east and Russian oligarchs, and since a saddening documentation about the fiasko with personal debt-growing university costs. The NHS thing I never felt really able to correctly assess and sort in.


Needless to say I do not fully agree with all of his broadside, espe3cially when he lists his supposed socialist duties of government. Still, he probably gets many basic things right and I respect the generlal reasoning. And the colourful language. On German propaganda stations this kind of satire would be impossible.


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I wonder why Jonathan Pie had worked with RT in the past. That station is quite dubious, I would say.

[Jimbuna]

There is now a rise in popularity for a customs union but if that turns out to be the outcome we may as well remain in the EU

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47763494

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

There is now a rise in popularity for a customs union but if that turns out to be the outcome we may as well remain in the EU

Indeed. Its a method to hollow out Brexit while keeping the empty hull of the word. It steals the meaning of the term. The UK would not be allowed to negotiate trade agreement with non-EU states. That is a frontal collision with the very idea of Brexit: to be no longer regulated and limited by restrictions Brussels claims to be its own thing only. How could any Brexit ever work if the ZUK is not free to try to get new trade arrangements? Its impossible - and thats why certain people want it.

[Jimbuna]

I'm now reading that the Cabinet is pushing for a No Deal Brexit which I find hard to believe when you take into consideration how divided the Cabinet are known to be.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Indeed. Its a method to hollow out Brexit while keeping the empty hull of the word. It steals the meaning of the term. [blah]

"The empty hull of a word". Seems fitting, yes.
Just listen to it, once.

[Jimbuna]

^ That's always one perspective Kai and quite interesting if I'm tbh.

Meanwhile....hypocrisy appears to have been a trait of Steptoe for many a year, not that I wasn't already aware.

[STEED]

^^Both sides told a pack of lies because politicians were running the remain/leave campaign strutting around like peacocks looking for. It should not had any dam politician in the referendum and it should have ran a lot longer about six months not a couple of weeks.

Any way it looks like we are remaining thanks to the criminal action of that lot at Westminster whom put it in law we would leave with or without a deal on March 29th 2019. I want that lot prosecuted for breaking the law and stuff their parliamentary safeguarding rules that protect them. These have failed and only in it for themselves, we should all..STOP VOTING.

MEAN WHILE IN THE PM BUNKER..

"BREXIT IS NOT LOST IT WILL NEVER BE LOST, BREXIT WILL GO ON AND ON ITS NOT LOST"

EDIT: A little less use of the profanities and a bit more family friendly to the viewers old chap if you'd be so kind.

[Reece]

Chirp!! Chirp!! Chirp!! Poly want a cracker!!

[STEED]

All set for Tuesday? It has been reported that mad bitch will give it a 4th attempt and if it fails again how about a 5th attempt.