US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

The crass fool and scam artist has a different approach then history has seen for the past 200 years. Is it the best approach? In most situations no but it going to have to be accepted for the next 4 years because Biden is on some other planet. It feels like the democrats know Biden is a loser and are simply willing to sit this one out. So Biden plays the clown and fades into obscurity.

More likely the democrats decided the only way they might win was to destroy the USA before the election. Covid & now riots brought to you by the DNC. All thanks belong to them for saving us from prosperity.


I'm not sure why they haven't burned every urban polling location in order to foist ballot harvesting on us? They must be feeling pretty sure of themselves(again).

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by em2nought

More likely the democrats decided the only way they might win was to destroy the USA before the election. Covid & now riots brought to you by the DNC. All thanks belong to them for saving us from prosperity.
I'm not sure why they haven't burned every urban polling location in order to foist ballot harvesting on us? They must be feeling pretty sure of themselves(again).

Maybe this should be moved to the joke thread?

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Maybe this should be moved to the joke thread?

Or to a more appropriate thread: Conspiracies, sheeple, the universe and everything

[u crank]

Despite all the Antifa thuggery and BLM guys disguised as White Supremacists the wheels of justice roll on. Today the Senate Judiciary Committee begins hearings into the Russia collusion investigation. First on the stand is former Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.

Rosenstein has already issued a statement ahead of his appearance.

"Even the best law enforcement officers make mistakes, and some engage in willful misconduct. Independent law enforcement investigations, judicial review and congressional oversight are important checks on the discretion of agents and prosecutors."

That is pretty telling in it self.

Here John Solomon gives ten questions that he thinks should be asked of Rosenstein. I like this one.

When did Rosenstein learn that the CIA had identified Page as one of its assets — ruling out he was a Russian spy — and that information in Steele's dossier used in the FISA warrant had been debunked or linked to Russian disinformation?

https://justthenews.com/accountabili...rod-rosenstein

All these people need to be put on the stand. Comey, McCabe, Brennan, Rice, Powers ... well there are just to many to list. If these people are willing to insist in the lies about the accusations against Trump and his campaign let them do it under oath and on camera.

[Mr Quatro]

After reading the top six (6) topic's in GT every day I get the odd impression that we are just a bunch of tired, lazy, bored subsim members

Including me, but I love y'all anyways

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by em2nought

More likely the democrats decided the only way they might win was to destroy the USA before the election. Covid & now riots brought to you by the DNC. All thanks belong to them for saving us from prosperity.


I'm not sure why they haven't burned every urban polling location in order to foist ballot harvesting on us? They must be feeling pretty sure of themselves(again).

This is a conspiracy I don't subscribe to. Covid affected the entire world. We have seen riots in the past that the DNC had nothing to do with. For me, Joe Biden is a sacrificial lamb. The DNC has no one of any substance to nominate. They will take the loss for another 4 years.

[Bilge_Rat]

More poll shell games. As we all know, whenever Trump does something, the MSM immediately polls it, if the answer is against Trump, it is plastered as a headline, if the answer is favorable to Trump, the poll is quietly buried.

Here is another example, Politico/Morning Consult Poll on support of Americans to deploy the U.S. military in U.S. cities to help the police quell the riots:

Of those that have an opinion:

-65% of all voters support deploying the military;

-53% of all Democrats support deploying the military;

-62% of all Independents support deploying the military;

-84% of all Republicans support deploying the military;

https://assets.morningconsult.com/wp...FINAL_LM-1.pdf

results on page 195.

Wonder why the MSM are not reporting those results.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by https://www.fr.de/kultur/gesellschaft/usa-donald-trump-caligula-scheideweg-13786178.html

The United States is at a crossroads under Donald Trump

Under Donald Trump, the defense of democracy in the United States takes on a new meaning. Otherwise the country threatens to be sacrificed to the Caesar delusion. The parallels between Caligula and Donald Trump are obvious. Trump's reign is becoming more and more autocratic. With the election in November, the United States is at a crossroads

In 1938, 25-year-old Albert Camus reads the account of the Roman emperor biographer Suetonius from the megalomaniac tyrant Caligula (AD 12 to 41). This creates the author's most successful play, which is still performed on many stages around the world. Caligula's story - a premonition for Donald Trump?

For the American audience, Camus wrote a kind of abstract: "Caligula, until then a fairly lovable prince, notes when Drusilla, his sister and lover dies, that 'men die and they are not happy'. Obsessed with the search for the absolute and poisoned by contempt and horror, he seeks freedom through murder and the systematic perversion of all values, which he will then discover is not freedom.

Friendship and love, simple human solidarity, good and evil, he rejects everything. (...) This is how Caligula depopulates the world around him and, according to his logic, does everything necessary to arm those who will eventually kill him. Caligula is the story of an upscale suicide. It is the story of the most human and tragic of all mistakes. Unfaithful to people, out of loyalty to himself, Caligula agrees to die for understanding that no being can save itself and that you cannot be free from other people. ”

Camus warning of the Caesar craze

Unlike this exposure of a revolt in the work “Cycle of the Absurd”, the play was mostly staged as an example of historical Caesar madness and warning against modern tyrants, as in Camus' own arrangements in the face of Hitler and Stalin and in the premiere in 1945 in Paris Théâtre Hébertot. When the peace-loving Ludwig Quidde stylized the Roman emperor in 1894 as a megalomaniac, he was aiming at Wilhelm II, who was equally megalomaniac in many respects.

Classical philologists have meanwhile corrected Caligula's image, which has been handed down from Sueton to Quidde, but he remained the household name for a dictator who was abandoned by all good spirits, could no longer be stopped by advisors and officials, and ultimately rode to the ground: a paranoid sadist who Elite pirated, arbitrarily arrested and tortured people and forced them into prostitution, and a cynical narcissist who worshiped himself as a god, ordered his horse to be consul and staged ceremonies modeled on oriental despots.
The example of Caligula is alarmingly topical compared to Donald Trump

All of this was not uncommon for an empire freed from republican bonds, but appears frighteningly current given the machinations of Donald Trump and his imperial presidency in a state of emergency. Caligula, Arturo Ui, King Lear - Donald Trump has already been given many names, all of them only fit to a limited extent and Caligula already because of his youth. But the ardent advocate of transatlantic friendship and admirers of the four fundamental freedoms for which America should continue to stand have also realized the danger the 45th President poses to his country and the world.

Inside he relies on the militarization of a bulwark of white supremacy, on the outside he loosens the self-ties of the nuclear force and plays with the bomb. He is of little interest in the fact that the corona epidemic ruins and shoots people away - it is disproportionately large African-Americans who would not have voted for him anyway. So you can understand Trump's re-tweet that only a dead democrat is a good democrat.

Trump's re-election in November would be a disaster, and if defeat threatens, he will do everything he can to delay or cancel the presidential elections. Similar to Caligula, the autocrat is popular in parts of the people, the conservative establishment and especially the evangelicals keep him going. With William Barr he has a Minister of Justice at his side, against whom Carl Schmitt, the "Crown Lawyer of the Third Reich" and theorist of the state of emergency, was a peep at the ear of power.

Without hesitation, Trump is inciting his troops, including right-wing aristocrats armed to the teeth, to riot instead of finally calling for a nation to lead unity and peace in free fall. But may he just keep his mouth shut: the speech he may give could be the spark of a conflagration that transforms Caligula into the Herostates Nero.



The United States is at a crossroads under Donald Trump

What is happening on America's streets could be the preliminary stage of a veritable civil war or it could now initiate Trump's decline. Anyone who is now demonstrating against racism, like the millennials of all origins and skin color who are used to cultural pluralism, has to go to the polls differently than in previous upheavals in November and for door-to-door Joe Biden, who is rather unpopular in these circles and his hopefully powerful vice president pull. America is at a crossroads, it will be seen whether political nihilism continues to eat its way into its ligatures.

Trump's will for dictatorship is clearly recognizable and without any existential depth, but democracy can defend itself. She does not need Cassius Chaerea, the tribune of the Praetorian Guard, taunted by the emperor as a sissy, who killed Caligula in the last act as in real life.

Frankfurter Rundschau is a centre-to-left (more of the latter) national newspaper in Germany.

[August]

Massachusetts attorney general Maura Healey (D.) on Tuesday refused to denounce the violent riots occurring nationwide, likening them to the purifying effects of a forest fire.
"Yes, America is burning, but that's how forests grow," Healey said in a speech delivered to the Boston Chamber of Commerce.
Healey, who is also the co-chair of the Democratic Attorneys General Association, repeated her remarks in a tweet later the same day, adding that Americans need to "seize the opportunity" to rid the country of "institutionalized racism," which she blamed for the violence.

https://freebeacon.com/latest-news/d...ath-to-growth/


The Democratic Party Platform in a nutshell.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Frankfurter Rundschau is a centre-to-left (more of the latter) national newspaper in Germany.

Inside he relies on the militarization of a bulwark of white supremacy, on the outside he loosens the self-ties of the nuclear force and plays with the bomb. He is of little interest in the fact that the corona epidemic ruins and shoots people away - it is disproportionately large African-Americans who would not have voted for him anyway.

Trump's re-election in November would be a disaster, and if defeat threatens, he will do everything he can to delay or cancel the presidential elections.

Without hesitation, Trump is inciting his troops, including right-wing aristocrats armed to the teeth, to riot instead of finally calling for a nation to lead unity and peace in free fall.

Trump's will for dictatorship is clearly recognizable

Pure nonsense. Not a single fact to back up these ridiculous statements.

[em2nought]

Right Wing Aristocrats?


I get why the dumb @ss idea of spreading democracy hardly ever worked, even Europeans don't really "get" the USA. We would be so much better off with "America First".

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by em2nought

Right Wing Aristocrats?
I get why the dumb @ss idea of spreading democracy hardly ever worked, even Europeans don't really "get" the USA. We would be so much better off with "America First".

Have you ever heard of left aristocrats? For Americans all that is not at the hard right is "socialist" or "communist", or "the radical left".

Not all would call this century-old electoral system of the US a democracy. Nothing but good old Kurfuersten-"voting".
Regarding being better off with "America first" we currently get a glimpse of how that works out.

But looking at the article Skybird posted by the "Frankfurter Rundschau", i think it is exagerrated and overblown indeed. "Caligula", please

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by August

https://freebeacon.com/latest-news/d...ath-to-growth/


The Democratic Party Platform in a nutshell.

I see metaphors aren't your strongest area of expertise.

[Skybird]

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%A4sarenwahnsinn

[MaDef]

Not all would call this century-old electoral system of the US a democracy.

That's because it is not a Democracy, it is a Democratic Republic. There is a difference, and it has worked (with very little substantive tweaking) for 244 years.