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Old 12-08-21, 05:59 PM   #9451
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Same here in Denmark. Our nurses and doctors are under huge pressure-Not because Corona patient....no...due to lack of nurses and doctors.

The Danish hospital need thousands of nurses and hundreds of doctors.

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Yeah, same in Germany, in the past 12 months or so, around 9000 nurses or even more have quit, being absued by poltics as cannon fodder, bei8ng chepaly apllauded, beign exhausted and burnt out, but no adressing of the basic bad circim,stances for nurses in hispitals: too few, to badly paid, and a general system that promotes the slidjgn for the bad side oif thigns and preventing any bettering.



These nurses, quite many of them left due to rage-quits, are now missing, and that is why many ICU beds had to be shut down over here. The hardware is not enough, you specialised nurses capable to operate it and working in ICUs.



I would have rage-quit, too. And i will not attack or cirtiice any nurse or doctor doing so. They have all reasons in the world to leave. And jujst for the record, many of those who went away said that by heart and soul they were nurses with passion and conviction. But politics betrays them, since many, many years.
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Old 12-09-21, 04:05 AM   #9452
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Good explanation of how viruses change and why vaccination is still the best:

https://hub.jhu.edu/2021/07/19/andre...elta-variants/

In short:
"Say, for example, it's a one in a million chance that a mutation will be advantageous to the virus.

If you let the virus replicate itself 900,000 times, odds are that the advantageous mutation will occur," [...]

"But if you limit the overall replication of the virus to 1,000 times, then it's much less likely that the random advantageous mutation is going to occur.

And that's where public health interventions really help us a lot during this pandemic—by reducing the total amount of virus replication and therefore reducing the chances that the virus can improve or adapt."

It is about keeping the overall numbers of the virus down, at the same time preventing its reproduction an mutation. Which we did with smallpox as with Polio.
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Old 12-09-21, 04:32 AM   #9453
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Stop making so much sense, some people find it really confusing...
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Old 12-09-21, 05:37 AM   #9454
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Stop making so much sense, some people find it really confusing...
right .. this will be more to their liking:







^^ and ^ both are real, no joke.
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Old 12-09-21, 01:49 PM   #9455
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Good explanation of how viruses change and why vaccination is still the best:

https://hub.jhu.edu/2021/07/19/andre...elta-variants/

In short:
"Say, for example, it's a one in a million chance that a mutation will be advantageous to the virus.

If you let the virus replicate itself 900,000 times, odds are that the advantageous mutation will occur," [...]

"But if you limit the overall replication of the virus to 1,000 times, then it's much less likely that the random advantageous mutation is going to occur.

And that's where public health interventions really help us a lot during this pandemic—by reducing the total amount of virus replication and therefore reducing the chances that the virus can improve or adapt."

It is about keeping the overall numbers of the virus down, at the same time preventing its reproduction an mutation. Which we did with smallpox as with Polio.
More Blue anon conspiracy theory and the Covidian Cult rubbish that thinks small pox and polio can be compared to a sars-cov virus. FYI they can’t, try again and stop comparing the Covid-19 vaccine with the Polio vaccine, we can’t place them in the same category for a simple reason the Covid-19 vaccine is only effective at reducing the transmission and spread of the disease, not eliminating it.

People who’ve received a Covid-19 vaccine can still pass on the infection to others. The Covidian Cult alway fail to make that distinction.

While it’s true that the widespread vaccination rates contributed to the eradication of Polio disease, the effectiveness of the Polio vaccine itself had played a key role in eradicating Polio globally. Polio vaccine provides lifelong immunity whereas the Covid-19 vaccine gives only several months of protection.
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Old 12-09-21, 04:45 PM   #9456
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right .. this will be more to their liking:







^^ and ^ both are real, no joke.

So? Does one stupid twitter post and some probably figmentary anonymous vaccine phobic prove anything? You know hitler was supposedly against vaccine mandates which, if you think about it actually makes him a little less of a totalitarian fascist than the vaccine nazis of today.
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Old 12-09-21, 06:08 PM   #9457
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A German emergency doctor in FOCUS magazine:


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The corona situation in Germany is critical. This is particularly noticeable and visible in the clinics and intensive care units. An emergency doctor now reports in drastic words about extreme situations in the intensive care unit - his desperation clearly resonates.

It is words that move. Because it becomes clear how much the current corona situation is burdening the medical staff and how much they feel abandoned. An emergency doctor who wants to remain anonymous now shared an insight into his work in the intensive care unit on Twitter.

"Conditions are getting worse and worse. Everything just breaks down. People die here who shouldn't have died," he writes. "Because everyone is overwhelmed or overworked or poorly trained or everything together. Because there is a lack of staff, because 70-80h / week is way too much."

Then he gives examples that underpin the staff shortage in a dramatic way:

"There is no mobilization because there are no physios (deep vein thrombosis> pulmonary embolism). Medicines are provided by interns because no one else is there (confusion> overdosage of painkillers> resuscitation light, just discovered)," he writes drastically Words.

Or: "A patient in the intensive care unit complains of shortness of breath, is given inhalations, oxygen is turned on, is only reported to me when he is almost in need of resuscitation. The assistant from the normal ward did not recognize the incorrect position of a catheter."

The list goes "on and on and on".

He criticizes: "The training is getting worse and worse, the qualifications are crumbling. Devices break and are either not repaired at all or only temporarily." Anyone who works in the health system can confirm that. In fact, over a thousand Twitter users have already confirmed this explicit post with a heart.

The emergency doctor demands better working conditions for the medical staff - with better salaries for everyone, more time for the patients, good training and more staff.

What happens if nothing changes in the current state? He also describes this with drastic words: "Or we carry on like this - but then get used to living with the consequences. With dead relatives who could still be alive. With long-term damage from late or incorrect treatment. We are not to blame , we ourselves are victims of this system. "

Incidentally, the emergency doctor also emphasizes: "It would be a mistake to believe that everything would be fine without Corona." Corona is only part of the problem, a fire accelerator. "It's been burning for a long time, and now it's burning a little more and faster."

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According to the union VERDI, there are between 120 and 200 thousand licensed and trained nurses who do not work and have left the job early in Germany. And some days ago I red that when being askedk, the majority of these reserves said that in principle they would be willing to come back and that they loved their job - but that thzey will never go back into this bad system and into working conditions as bad and underpaid and with such hilarious weekly working hours. As the doctor in the above article said: thigns were burning ablaze already before Corona, with corona they just burn brighter and faster. I red in the apst days that this year alone a known minimum of around ten thposuand nurses have rage-quit their jobs, exhausted and burnt out. Insiders say the numbewrsa are "corrected", and that the real loss of staff could be up to four times as high. Hospitals and politicians just fear the bad image and reputation it would cause if the real numbers get known.


With such a personnel drain, the system must break down sooner or later while beign constantly eroded right now day for day, this cannot be maintained endlessly, not even with - less qualified - nurse imports from Vietnam and Indonensia. Several thousand ICU beds had to be closed due to missing staff.



Corona is just a catalysator that accelerated the revelation of the obvious: that the system does not function sustainably.
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The Covidian Cult, Mandate Nazis and National border fascists furious. Omicron Super mild 50% had no symptom the other 50% had mild symptoms.



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More Blue anon conspiracy theory and the Covidian Cult rubbish [...] stop comparing the Covid-19 vaccine with the Polio vaccine, we can’t place them in the same category for a simple reason the Covid-19 vaccine is only effective at reducing the transmission and spread of the disease, not eliminating it.
Just wow. Do you strive to win a troll prize?
This is exactly what the other vaccines do.
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You just of all should like the paddling
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FOCUS writes:


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Among the corona intensive care patients are by no means only unvaccinated. Instead, the number of vaccinated Covid patients with severe courses continues to increase. They are what are known as “vaccination breakthroughs”.

The RKI records a corona case as a "probable vaccination breakthrough" if a Sars-CoV-2 infection with clinical symptoms was diagnosed in a fully vaccinated person using a PCR test or pathogen isolation.

According to the RKI report on Thursday, there have been a total of 362,130 vaccination breakthroughs in 57.7 million people since the beginning of the year. This corresponds to 0.6 percent of the total of those vaccinated.

They had a completed series of vaccinations

246.735 with Comirnaty (Biontech / Pfizer)
37,616 with Janssen (Johnson & Johnson)
28,933 with Vaxzevria (Astrazeneca)
19.160 with Spikevax (Moderna)
18.147 with a combination Vaxzevria / Comirnaty and
3318 with a combination Vaxzevria / Spikevax.

According to the RKI, in the case of a further 8821 vaccination breakthroughs, no assignment to the above-mentioned vaccines was made on the basis of the information available. Important: These numbers do not mean that the risk of a breakthrough is highest with a Biontech vaccination - only most people in Germany are vaccinated with Biontech.

According to the RKI, however, it is “to be expected” that the number of vaccination breakthroughs will increase over time. Because: “Since more and more people are generally vaccinated and Sars-CoV-2 is currently spreading again more and more. This increases the likelihood of coming into contact with the virus as a fully vaccinated person. "

However, by no means all of these breakthrough vaccinations need to be treated in intensive care units. According to the report, the breakthroughs are distributed very differently depending on the age group in the last documented calendar weeks 44 to 48.

Fully vaccinated among the symptomatic Covid sufferers were during this period

8.3 percent of 12 to 17 year olds (3,078 of 37,193 cases)
50.6 percent of 18 to 59 year olds (123,240 of 243,648 cases) and
70.6 percent of people over 60 (42,085 of 59,956 cases).

The proportion of fully vaccinated patients in hospitalized symptomatic Covid cases looks like this:

12 percent of 12 to 17 year olds (23 out of 191 cases)
30.2 percent of 18 to 59 year olds (1332 of 4414 cases) and
52.3 percent of people over the age of 60 (3557 of 6805 cases)

Completely vaccinated were among those Covid sufferers treated in intensive care during this period, however

0 percent of 12 to 17 year olds (0 out of 6 cases)
16.8 percent of 18 to 59 year olds (105 of 626 cases) and
41.1 percent of those over 60 (480 of 1168 cases).

The numbers show two things. On the one hand, the unvaccinated, although they make up “only” 30.6 percent of the total population (and that includes small children), are disproportionately represented in hospitalization and, above all, in intensive care units. On the other hand, the elderly, who were often vaccinated at the beginning of the year, are slowly showing the consequences of declining vaccination protection.

According to the current RKI data, 11,410 corona patients were treated in the hospital in these five weeks, 1,800 of them in the intensive care units. On the other hand, 6498 patients were unvaccinated among the hospitalized corona cases, 1215 of them were treated in intensive care.

The number of vaccination breakthroughs does not in any way deny the vaccinations their usefulness. Rather, it illustrates how strongly the virus can spread in a society in which around 25 million are still unvaccinated.

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Just wow. Do you strive to win a troll prize?
This is exactly what the other vaccines do.
No it’s not what other vaccines do, the other vaccines you compared too provide a lifetime immunity. The Covidian Cult’s precious experimental vaccines are not a cure and only provides several months of protection and even that is dependent on the overall health of the vaccinated.

Nobody in this lifetime is ever going to eradicate the world of sars cov-2. Fear not because it is as we speak going the way of the Spanish Flu with or without the Covidian Cult rush to vaccinate the world.
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No vaccine (regardless of the disease/illness) provides immunity. None whatsoever.


Vaccines provide protection, but never immunity. Protection always means a reduced risk of getting a disease as well as a reduction of severety, but still no perfect immunity.

In some cases this protection stays in place for a long term, but a refresher is still needed every now and then, unless there are external reasons (like living in a very-low-risk area).
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