[REL] Open Horizons II - Page 63

Txema · 03-27-12, 06:52 AM

Hi Trevally !

Thank you very much for the explanation !

I have only one suggestion: don't you think that it would be more intuitive to use the terminology mission-objective the other way around ?

I mean...

When you talk to the KMO you get to select a MISSION

The MISSIONS are the main part of the campaign and passing these will give you campaign crosses.
For this one - all you have to do is sink 30,000t and 3 tankers.
This must be done within the shaded patrol area.

When you click request mission - It will give you the mission objectives (OBJECTIVES).

These are marked by the orange icon.
So this is an OBJECTIVE within the MISSION.
When you exit - yes by clicking the X and ask to go on patrol - you can check your MISSION on your map and check your OBJECTIVE in the patrol log.

Here you see the MISSION Caribean Oil and your OBJECTIVE Reach the South American coast.
MISSION = sink 30,000t and 3 tankers
OBJECTIVE = reach area marked by orange icon

In this next image, you can see what is going on with the OBJECTIVES.

When you get to the area 1 (circle) you ill have reached the OBJECTIVE area and get 200 renown.
A trigger will then kick in and give you a new OBJECTIVE - 3 (patrol CS1)
here you have to sink any ship within that circle.
If you do sink a ship in the area - you will get more renown points and a new message.
the new message will tell you to go to the next area (patrol CS2) and sink another ship - the message will also tell you that if there are lots of traffic where you are, you can stay there.

If you fail these OBJECTIVES you will be told to move and , yip you guessed it "be more aggresive

"

Marker 2 - is the area for your MISSION - so doing these OBJECTIVES will count towards the ships required for that.

Trevally. · 03-27-12, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Txema

Hi Trevally !

Thank you very much for the explanation !

I have only one suggestion: don't you think that it would be more intuitive to use the terminology mission-objective the other way around ?

I mean...

Hi Txema and thanks for you suggestion

yes - I think you are correct here and perhaps I have been confusing people

Within the ME2 they are called -
Campaign Objectives
Missions Objective

My poor English, bad spelling and lazy typing always causes me issues

vlad29 · 03-27-12, 12:43 PM

Thanks Trevally for the update

Don't You know if Uekel's 'mtns' should be updated also or the current 1.8e version is still actual?

misha1967 · 03-27-12, 02:59 PM

So THAT'S what that orange box is for!

I always just thought that it was a part of the primary objective, and since it just disappears when I reach it, I never gave it a second thought.

Again: The only mission I've run so far (apart from Baltic Ops) is the East Coast of Britain and I didn't notice any new messages when I reached the orange icon there. Is this the way that Campaign Mission is designed or should I be looking for something else?

Trevally. · 03-27-12, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by misha1967

Again: The only mission I've run so far (apart from Baltic Ops) is the East Coast of Britain and I didn't notice any new messages when I reached the orange icon there. Is this the way that Campaign Mission is designed or should I be looking for something else?

No - they are not all like that.
Some will just end when you pass them and only give you a message if you fail.

Some - like in The Black Pit, control battles with wolfpacks.
These mission allows within the camapign a lot more dircet control when making them. The campaign flows from all the pre built layers, but missions can have triggers and events

misha1967 · 03-28-12, 01:43 AM

Thanks, Trev, you are, as always, excellent!

I may have found a small "issue" with 1.8 but, then again, it may be just me.

I ran a new career with 1.7 and finished the Baltic Ops. Then you published 1.8 at the exact same time that I was in port after that one, so I upgraded to 1.8 before starting my next mission, the East Coast of Britain one.

Everything went well, I got the Iron Cross marker for the Baltic Ops and still had it after the upgrade to 1.8, but when I set out for my second patrol, the "orange icon" (secondary mission) was still placed in the Baltic although my current mission was marked as the East Coast one, and I know for a fact that that secondary mission icon is supposed to be just off the East Coast of Britain for that mission.

I haven't had time to start all over from the beginning since I'd have to go do the Baltic Ops again, but I was wondering if there was some bit of the code for 1.8 that makes the "reach this point in the Baltic" still be tied to the "East Coast" campaign mission. I suppose I could make a picnic detour around the beautiful Island of Bornholm prior to entering the North Sea but, you know

Just wondering. I can always roll back to 1.7, but I thought you might want to take a look at that.

Trevally. · 03-28-12, 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by misha1967

Thanks, Trev, you are, as always, excellent!

I may have found a small "issue" with 1.8 but, then again, it may be just me.

I ran a new career with 1.7 and finished the Baltic Ops. Then you published 1.8 at the exact same time that I was in port after that one, so I upgraded to 1.8 before starting my next mission, the East Coast of Britain one.

Everything went well, I got the Iron Cross marker for the Baltic Ops and still had it after the upgrade to 1.8, but when I set out for my second patrol, the "orange icon" (secondary mission) was still placed in the Baltic although my current mission was marked as the East Coast one, and I know for a fact that that secondary mission icon is supposed to be just off the East Coast of Britain for that mission.

I haven't had time to start all over from the beginning since I'd have to go do the Baltic Ops again, but I was wondering if there was some bit of the code for 1.8 that makes the "reach this point in the Baltic" still be tied to the "East Coast" campaign mission. I suppose I could make a picnic detour around the beautiful Island of Bornholm prior to entering the North Sea but, you know

Just wondering. I can always roll back to 1.7, but I thought you might want to take a look at that.

Thanks for the info misha

Yes - this is a mastake I have made.
The error will happen with Base - Environ and New Ships

I will post a fix soon.
It will not effect your game and after you install the fix - it will go back to normal

misha1967 · 03-28-12, 02:38 AM

OK, I did some more testing regarding the above.

First off, I used the old "Enter_Base" save with 1.8 still enabled and did the upgrade, request new mission etc. from within the game. It accepted my new East Coastal Waters as my new campaign mission, but my secondary "orange icon" goal was still in the Baltic just East of Bornholm.

So I rolled back to 1.7 (I have a lot of .mep files for that sort of thing) and used the Enter_Base save again. Same result. Baltic Ops was completed, East Coastal Waters accepted as my new mission with the orange icon placed correctly when I requested the mission, but when I started the patrol, the orange icon was in the Baltic again.

So I exited and loaded the last save BEFORE I returned to Kiel, accelerated until I could dock at Kiel, upgraded boat, requested new mission, everything fine and the orange secondary mission icon is on the east coast of Britain UNTIL I started the patrol when it went back to the Baltic again.

I don't know what to do now short of starting all over again and hoping that I won't have to go to Poland before every single patrol for the rest of the war.

[Edit: Damn, Trev, you beat me to it! Do you EVER sleep?

] Yes, I'm using Base+Enviro for now because I just don't have enough RAM for the ships. You just ROCK!!]

Trevally. · 03-28-12, 02:58 AM

Thanks Misha

What happen was -

When I make these missions - I have to make a new layer in the campaign. This layer has all the info for the mission. When finished, I have to move it away from the layer to another part of the game and link it through cfg files. This way that layer will only load when you click the request mission button.

With this one - I forgot to delete it after moving and it is being loaded with the campaign layers

The patch to fix it will (when unzipped) have one for each of - base, environ and ships. So use the one for the setup of OHII that you use

Trevally. · 03-28-12, 03:10 AM

Patch1 for V1.8 base or environ or new ships only
https://rapidshare.com/files/2311070...hips_patch1.7z

Echolot · 03-28-12, 05:36 AM

Hello Trevally.

I'm not happy with the terrain changes in OH II (sorry sober) but everytime I install OH II the terrain around Kiel seems to be broken.

Would it be possible to make the Kiel-Kanal changes optional again plz?

Everytime a new version is out I have to delete a few files and folders and I don't know exactly maybe I break some other stuff or features.

Many thanks in advance.

Regards.

Echol

t.

Trevally. · 03-28-12, 05:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Echolot

Hello Trevally.

I'm not happy with the terrain changes in OH II (sorry sober) but everytime I install OH II the terrain around Kiel seems to be broken.

Would it be possible to make the Kiel-Kanal changes optional again plz?

Everytime a new version is out I have to delete a few files and folders and I don't know exactly maybe I break some other stuff or features.

Many thanks in advance.

Regards.

Echol

t.

Hi Echolot

Can you post some screen shots of the issue so I can see what is happening.

thanks

Echolot · 03-28-12, 05:44 AM

Of course, give me some time plz, will send you the shots per pm.

Edit: You got pm.

misha1967 · 03-28-12, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trevally.

Patch1 for V1.8 base or environ or new ships only
https://rapidshare.com/files/2311070...hips_patch1.7z

You are one AMAZING man, Trev! A fix so quickly! Thanks!

THE_MASK · 03-28-12, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Echolot

Hello Trevally.

I'm not happy with the terrain changes in OH II (sorry sober) but everytime I install OH II the terrain around Kiel seems to be broken.

Would it be possible to make the Kiel-Kanal changes optional again plz?

Everytime a new version is out I have to delete a few files and folders and I don't know exactly maybe I break some other stuff or features.

Many thanks in advance.

Regards.

Echol

t.

Sounds like you have leftover files from a previous mod .
Step by step
Save your mod profile using the mod enabler
Unenable all the mods by clicking on disable all mods
Uninstall SH5 but keep saves .
Reinstall SH5
Patch to 1.2
Load your mod profile by clicking on load mod profile with the mod enabler .
should take no more than 10 minutes .

03-27-12, 06:52 AM	#931
Txema 中国水兵 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Basque Country Posts: 284 Downloads: 365 Uploads: 0	Hi Trevally ! Thank you very much for the explanation ! I have only one suggestion: don't you think that it would be more intuitive to use the terminology mission-objective the other way around ? I mean... When you talk to the KMO you get to select a MISSION The MISSIONS are the main part of the campaign and passing these will give you campaign crosses. For this one - all you have to do is sink 30,000t and 3 tankers. This must be done within the shaded patrol area. When you click request mission - It will give you the mission objectives (OBJECTIVES). These are marked by the orange icon. So this is an OBJECTIVE within the MISSION. When you exit - yes by clicking the X and ask to go on patrol - you can check your MISSION on your map and check your OBJECTIVE in the patrol log. Here you see the MISSION Caribean Oil and your OBJECTIVE Reach the South American coast. MISSION = sink 30,000t and 3 tankers OBJECTIVE = reach area marked by orange icon In this next image, you can see what is going on with the OBJECTIVES. When you get to the area 1 (circle) you ill have reached the OBJECTIVE area and get 200 renown. A trigger will then kick in and give you a new OBJECTIVE - 3 (patrol CS1) here you have to sink any ship within that circle. If you do sink a ship in the area - you will get more renown points and a new message. the new message will tell you to go to the next area (patrol CS2) and sink another ship - the message will also tell you that if there are lots of traffic where you are, you can stay there. If you fail these OBJECTIVES you will be told to move and , yip you guessed it "be more aggresive" Marker 2 - is the area for your MISSION - so doing these OBJECTIVES will count towards the ships required for that.

03-27-12, 02:59 PM	#934
misha1967 Commander Join Date: May 2004 Location: Texas, USA Posts: 470 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 0	So THAT'S what that orange box is for! I always just thought that it was a part of the primary objective, and since it just disappears when I reach it, I never gave it a second thought. Again: The only mission I've run so far (apart from Baltic Ops) is the East Coast of Britain and I didn't notice any new messages when I reached the orange icon there. Is this the way that Campaign Mission is designed or should I be looking for something else? __________________ Ansonsten, Herr Lutter, ist alles in Butter Liqui-cooled Intel i2550K @ 4.2 GHz, 8 Gb RAM, GTX 970 GPU

03-28-12, 01:43 AM	#936
misha1967 Commander Join Date: May 2004 Location: Texas, USA Posts: 470 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 0	Thanks, Trev, you are, as always, excellent! I may have found a small "issue" with 1.8 but, then again, it may be just me. I ran a new career with 1.7 and finished the Baltic Ops. Then you published 1.8 at the exact same time that I was in port after that one, so I upgraded to 1.8 before starting my next mission, the East Coast of Britain one. Everything went well, I got the Iron Cross marker for the Baltic Ops and still had it after the upgrade to 1.8, but when I set out for my second patrol, the "orange icon" (secondary mission) was still placed in the Baltic although my current mission was marked as the East Coast one, and I know for a fact that that secondary mission icon is supposed to be just off the East Coast of Britain for that mission. I haven't had time to start all over from the beginning since I'd have to go do the Baltic Ops again, but I was wondering if there was some bit of the code for 1.8 that makes the "reach this point in the Baltic" still be tied to the "East Coast" campaign mission. I suppose I could make a picnic detour around the beautiful Island of Bornholm prior to entering the North Sea but, you know Just wondering. I can always roll back to 1.7, but I thought you might want to take a look at that. __________________ Ansonsten, Herr Lutter, ist alles in Butter Liqui-cooled Intel i2550K @ 4.2 GHz, 8 Gb RAM, GTX 970 GPU

03-28-12, 02:38 AM	#938
misha1967 Commander Join Date: May 2004 Location: Texas, USA Posts: 470 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 0	OK, I did some more testing regarding the above. First off, I used the old "Enter_Base" save with 1.8 still enabled and did the upgrade, request new mission etc. from within the game. It accepted my new East Coastal Waters as my new campaign mission, but my secondary "orange icon" goal was still in the Baltic just East of Bornholm. So I rolled back to 1.7 (I have a lot of .mep files for that sort of thing) and used the Enter_Base save again. Same result. Baltic Ops was completed, East Coastal Waters accepted as my new mission with the orange icon placed correctly when I requested the mission, but when I started the patrol, the orange icon was in the Baltic again. So I exited and loaded the last save BEFORE I returned to Kiel, accelerated until I could dock at Kiel, upgraded boat, requested new mission, everything fine and the orange secondary mission icon is on the east coast of Britain UNTIL I started the patrol when it went back to the Baltic again. I don't know what to do now short of starting all over again and hoping that I won't have to go to Poland before every single patrol for the rest of the war. [Edit: Damn, Trev, you beat me to it! Do you EVER sleep? ] Yes, I'm using Base+Enviro for now because I just don't have enough RAM for the ships. You just ROCK!!] __________________ Ansonsten, Herr Lutter, ist alles in Butter Liqui-cooled Intel i2550K @ 4.2 GHz, 8 Gb RAM, GTX 970 GPU

03-28-12, 02:58 AM	#939
Trevally. Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: AN1536 (Orkney) Posts: 5,451 Downloads: 166 Uploads: 28	Thanks Misha What happen was - When I make these missions - I have to make a new layer in the campaign. This layer has all the info for the mission. When finished, I have to move it away from the layer to another part of the game and link it through cfg files. This way that layer will only load when you click the request mission button. With this one - I forgot to delete it after moving and it is being loaded with the campaign layers The patch to fix it will (when unzipped) have one for each of - base, environ and ships. So use the one for the setup of OHII that you use __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Trevally Mods for SH5

03-27-12, 12:43 PM	#933
vlad29 XO Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Arkhangelsk Posts: 427 Downloads: 324 Uploads: 0	Thanks Trevally for the update Don't You know if Uekel's 'mtns' should be updated also or the current 1.8e version is still actual?

03-28-12, 03:10 AM	#940
Trevally. Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: AN1536 (Orkney) Posts: 5,451 Downloads: 166 Uploads: 28	Patch1 for V1.8 base or environ or new ships only https://rapidshare.com/files/2311070...hips_patch1.7z __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Trevally Mods for SH5

03-28-12, 05:36 AM	#941
Echolot Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 718 Downloads: 567 Uploads: 0	Hello Trevally. I'm not happy with the terrain changes in OH II (sorry sober) but everytime I install OH II the terrain around Kiel seems to be broken. Would it be possible to make the Kiel-Kanal changes optional again plz? Everytime a new version is out I have to delete a few files and folders and I don't know exactly maybe I break some other stuff or features. Many thanks in advance. Regards. Echolt.

03-28-12, 05:44 AM	#943
Echolot Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 718 Downloads: 567 Uploads: 0	Of course, give me some time plz, will send you the shots per pm. Edit: You got pm. Last edited by Echolot; 03-28-12 at 06:31 AM.