UK Politics Thread - Page 611

Catfish · 02-14-19, 10:17 AM

nah it's a problem you feel to have with your government, and the article explains why.
Also, this charlatan just founded a new party.

"Take Back Control’ was one of the most persuasive soundbites ever used in a political campaign. It was seized on by the Bad Boys of Brexit who used it to persuade a majority of UK citizens to make a decision that in reality was so deeply damaging to their future."

Jimbuna · 02-14-19, 10:57 AM

^ I believe there is more chance of a general election then the UK leaving the EU as matters currently stand.

Should that be the case then I'd expect the Toties to gain a clear majority by not a large margin but a majority nonetheless.

STEED · 02-14-19, 12:02 PM

Here we go again, MP's are now voting on Mad dog Jezzer's amendment.

Labour has....LOST
For 306
Against 322

SNP....LOST
For 93
Against 315

Brexit will not be extended by three months.

Anna Soubry has withdrawn her amendment for now.

MPs are voting on whether to back the government's Brexit strategy.

The Government has....LOST
For 258
Against 303

This was the big one and another blow to MayDay.

https://news.sky.com/story/live-ther...rexit-11637081

Reece · 02-14-19, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Never trust the government never trust a politician.

Amen to that STEED, looks like the UK has lost its independence!!

Catfish · 02-15-19, 05:49 AM

^ How so?

Jimbuna · 02-15-19, 06:05 AM

Quote:

Theresa May will press on with efforts to secure a revised Brexit deal, despite another Commons defeat, and will return to Brussels "within days".

MPs voted against a motion endorsing the government's strategy by 303 to 258, with 66 Tory MPs abstaining.

Steve Baker, of the Conservative backbench European Research Group, which led the rebellion, called the loss a "storm in a teacup".

Business Minister Richard Harrington accused the ERG of "treachery".https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47251134

She just doesn't know when to give up or come to the realisation that if she hadn't agreed such a seriously bad (for the UK) deal then matters would probably be quickly resolved.

Catfish · 02-15-19, 06:33 AM

^ What can she give up? Being the PM? I can't see the queue of new aspirants wanting her job.

What exactly is the "bad deal" for the UK? For all i know no one knows what exactly has been negotiated. The backstop?

Reece · 02-15-19, 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catfish

^ How so?

From what I can see it would take a miracle for Brexit to work, but I suppose miracles happen!

Jimbuna · 02-15-19, 06:51 AM

^
^ The backstop is probably the most damaging part but added to that is the fact £39 billion would need to be paid and despite leaving on March 29th the UK would continue to pay further sums until at least the end of December 2020 and still be bound by EU rules which amongst other things would prevent the UK from negotiating trade deals with other countries.

Bound by the rules whilst continuing to pay and having no say or vote on matters.

As has been said previously...a vassal state.

Reece · 02-15-19, 07:02 AM

From what I can see the EU is a sinking ship and the only ones keeping it afloat is UK and Germany, maybe I'm wrong there but certainly it is in Britain's best interest to leave! Not an easy task but if Brexit fails now it is unlikely to ever leave the EU, that would be sad!!

Catfish · 02-15-19, 08:18 AM

@Reece i have heard so often that the Euro and the EU will fail and the sky falling down, in the last years.. didn't happen. Maybe it will. In the moment it looks as if it will not.

Scottish view of brexit as a "sinking ship":

"Marieke is mostly angry about how Brexit was a waste of money and especially how the vote was based on no real evidence: no-one really knew what they voted for. ‘The Leave party campaigned illegally. They spent way more money on their campaign than they were allowed to and they made up statistics right left and center. They openly blamed both immigrants and Brussels, when all the things they were complaining about were things the UK government was in control of,’ [...]"

http://www.21bis.be/scottish-opinion...-sinking-ship/

Catfish · 02-15-19, 08:27 AM

Is this true? Who knows the real numbers?

"Dropping on doormats are HMRC summaries of the past tax year, 2016-17, detailing how much we earned and paid in Income Tax and National Insurance.
I recalled the ha’porth of tar advice after reading a family member’s statement.

This grafter was deducted £4,227 of £23,113 earned over 12 months, so I turned over the single sheet to see how his tax was spent.
Lying Brextremists conned a narrow referendum victory by pretending the European Union was stealing a huge wedge of your money and, hey presto, £350million a week would be conjured for the NHS ."

So how much of his £4,227 annual tax and NI went to the EU budget as part of the UK contribution? £30. Yep, 30 quid. In a whole year. A tad less than 58p per week."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...nking-12010423

STEED · 02-15-19, 07:39 PM

I signed up catfish to join the Brexit party.

https://www.thebrexitparty.org

Skybird · 02-16-19, 03:48 AM

The payments to the EU never were the prime argument for me. Although the self-servicing mentality of EUcrats makes me sick and furious.

https://www.ednh.news/eu-payers-and-receivers/

Peanuts. However, add the costs of the Euro esaster and credits and Target-2 system to it, and you immediately lightspeed-jump into dimensions that makes one dizzy. Germany has more than three times the value of its yearly national GDP in the fire.And has zero chance to ever get it back. A few hundred millions in interests gained, cannot gloss over the the enermous deficit. The economic gains that Germany is claimed to have from these "investments"

, are a hilariously flawed logic, since they man that we give others the money by which they then buy our products. In other words, we pay ourselves and hand the products over for free, so to speak. Clever - not.

Personally I think the Euro system is an even greater messup like the Warsaw Pact economies were. Its just that the long time consequences from it still have not reached us in full - but they will. Signs are on the wall already, for everybody to read if only he opens his eyes.

In the end, we will pay with massive loss of freedoms, and massive expropriation by desperate politicans and central banks.

Killing the eU means to kill the Euro. Killing the Euro means to kill the EU. Both are incompatible with the idea of a liberal Europe and the meaning of the term "justice". Justice needs causal own responsibility as an inevitable preconditon for "justice" terminology making sense. Socialists hate the very concept of own responsibility, and want to collectivize individual failure and incapability. Or in other words: they want to bring economic competition and compoarison to a full stop. Thats what the EU and the ECB do. The number of de facto incompetitive companies in Europe has tripled over the past couple of years, being artifcally kept alive with subsidies. And the rate at which this is beign done, accelerates.

Catfish · 02-16-19, 06:02 AM

target 2 has more consequences for Germany than for England/UK. So it is bad for us but not a reason for brexit. The general idea is to even out economically weaker countries to get their economy going, which b.t.w. went very well with Slovenia.
When you are thinking of your country alone it is of course TREACHERY! NAZIS ! THEY WANT OUR WOMEN ! THE SKY WILL FALL !

@Steed thanks for signing me up

Can i meet the Dear Leader Farage personally then? Close up and personal, soda speak.

02-14-19, 10:17 AM	#9151
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,781 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	nah it's a problem you feel to have with your government, and the article explains why. Also, this charlatan just founded a new party. "Take Back Control’ was one of the most persuasive soundbites ever used in a political campaign. It was seized on by the Bad Boys of Brexit who used it to persuade a majority of UK citizens to make a decision that in reality was so deeply damaging to their future." __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

02-14-19, 10:57 AM	#9152
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,717 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	^ I believe there is more chance of a general election then the UK leaving the EU as matters currently stand. Should that be the case then I'd expect the Toties to gain a clear majority by not a large margin but a majority nonetheless. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

02-14-19, 12:02 PM	#9153
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Here we go again, MP's are now voting on Mad dog Jezzer's amendment. Labour has....LOST For 306 Against 322 SNP....LOST For 93 Against 315 Brexit will not be extended by three months. Anna Soubry has withdrawn her amendment for now. MPs are voting on whether to back the government's Brexit strategy. The Government has....LOST For 258 Against 303 This was the big one and another blow to MayDay. https://news.sky.com/story/live-ther...rexit-11637081 __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT! Last edited by STEED; 02-14-19 at 12:45 PM.

02-15-19, 05:49 AM	#9155
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,781 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^ How so? __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

02-15-19, 06:33 AM	#9157
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,781 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^ What can she give up? Being the PM? I can't see the queue of new aspirants wanting her job. What exactly is the "bad deal" for the UK? For all i know no one knows what exactly has been negotiated. The backstop? __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

02-15-19, 06:51 AM	#9159
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,717 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	^ ^ The backstop is probably the most damaging part but added to that is the fact £39 billion would need to be paid and despite leaving on March 29th the UK would continue to pay further sums until at least the end of December 2020 and still be bound by EU rules which amongst other things would prevent the UK from negotiating trade deals with other countries. Bound by the rules whilst continuing to pay and having no say or vote on matters. As has been said previously...a vassal state. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

02-15-19, 07:02 AM	#9160
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,746 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	From what I can see the EU is a sinking ship and the only ones keeping it afloat is UK and Germany, maybe I'm wrong there but certainly it is in Britain's best interest to leave! Not an easy task but if Brexit fails now it is unlikely to ever leave the EU, that would be sad!! __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

02-15-19, 08:18 AM	#9161
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,781 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	@Reece i have heard so often that the Euro and the EU will fail and the sky falling down, in the last years.. didn't happen. Maybe it will. In the moment it looks as if it will not. Scottish view of brexit as a "sinking ship": "Marieke is mostly angry about how Brexit was a waste of money and especially how the vote was based on no real evidence: no-one really knew what they voted for. ‘The Leave party campaigned illegally. They spent way more money on their campaign than they were allowed to and they made up statistics right left and center. They openly blamed both immigrants and Brussels, when all the things they were complaining about were things the UK government was in control of,’ [...]" http://www.21bis.be/scottish-opinion...-sinking-ship/ __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

02-15-19, 08:27 AM	#9162
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,781 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Is this true? Who knows the real numbers? "Dropping on doormats are HMRC summaries of the past tax year, 2016-17, detailing how much we earned and paid in Income Tax and National Insurance. I recalled the ha’porth of tar advice after reading a family member’s statement. This grafter was deducted £4,227 of £23,113 earned over 12 months, so I turned over the single sheet to see how his tax was spent. Lying Brextremists conned a narrow referendum victory by pretending the European Union was stealing a huge wedge of your money and, hey presto, £350million a week would be conjured for the NHS ." *So how much of his £4,227 annual tax and NI went to the EU budget as part of the UK contribution? £30.* Yep, 30 quid. In a whole year. A tad less than 58p per week." https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...nking-12010423 __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

02-15-19, 07:39 PM	#9163
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	I signed up catfish to join the Brexit party. https://www.thebrexitparty.org __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

02-16-19, 03:48 AM	#9164
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,679 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The payments to the EU never were the prime argument for me. Although the self-servicing mentality of EUcrats makes me sick and furious. https://www.ednh.news/eu-payers-and-receivers/ Peanuts. However, add the costs of the Euro esaster and credits and Target-2 system to it, and you immediately lightspeed-jump into dimensions that makes one dizzy. *Germany has more than three times the value of its yearly national GDP in the fire.And has zero chance to ever get it back. A few hundred millions in interests gained, cannot gloss over the the enermous deficit. The economic gains that Germany is claimed to have from these "investments" , are a hilariously flawed logic, since they man that we give others the money by which they then buy our products. In other words, we pay ourselves and hand the products over for free, so to speak. Clever - not. Personally I think the Euro system is an even greater messup like the Warsaw Pact economies were. Its just that the long time consequences from it still have not reached us in full - but they will. Signs are on the wall already, for everybody to read if only he opens his eyes. In the end, we will pay with massive loss of freedoms, and massive expropriation by desperate politicans and central banks. Killing the eU means to kill the Euro. Killing the Euro means to kill the EU. Both are incompatible with the idea of a liberal Europe and the meaning of the term "justice". Justice needs causal own responsibility as an inevitable preconditon for "justice" terminology making sense. Socialists hate the very concept of own responsibility, and want to collectivize individual failure and incapability. Or in other words: they want to bring economic competition and compoarison to a full stop. Thats what the EU and the ECB do. The number of de facto incompetitive companies in Europe has tripled over the past couple of years, being artifcally kept alive with subsidies. And the rate at which this is beign done, accelerates. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.*

02-16-19, 06:02 AM	#9165
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,781 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	target 2 has more consequences for Germany than for England/UK. So it is bad for us but not a reason for brexit. The general idea is to even out economically weaker countries to get their economy going, which b.t.w. went very well with Slovenia. When you are thinking of your country alone it is of course TREACHERY! NAZIS ! THEY WANT OUR WOMEN ! THE SKY WILL FALL ! @Steed thanks for signing me up Can i meet the Dear Leader Farage personally then? Close up and personal, soda speak. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.