who likes guns?! - Page 6

SUBMAN1 · 04-20-06, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

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Originally Posted by micky1up

@Sailor Steve
ok my facts where not correct but cant you see my point.

That bill of rights was written hundreds of years ago and is way out of date. Kap's shotiing his pal cause he pissed him off proves something if your upset and angry like most humans get more than once a day and you have a gun in your hand then its going to happen. The mix of human emotion and firearms is not a good one but a country that has at least 1 firearm for evrery person is asking for trouble.

And yes i have an opinion like everyone else but my extreme is the oposite of your's and your nations blinkered view about your rights is what is the underlying problem. Do u know that the USA has the least percentage of people that own a passport also the least percentage that learn another language. And you have the cheek to call other nations insular and isolationalist.

You have a word that you use all the time which you have no concept of: FREEDOM. Except in one way the freedom to kill each other at random with firearms. You actually do that quite well!

I will agree that any freedom requires some responsibility. On the other hand, I live in a state that is larger than the main island of the British Isles, yet has a total population of just two million people. A friend who lives just outside of Salt Lake City owns horses and has problems with mountain lions. Dick Cheney was criticized for supporting gun ownership, but no one ever points out that he is from Wyoming, a state much larger than Utah yet with less than half the population. Where he's from it's possible to have a bear-or a burglar-come through the window, and the nearest cop is 300 miles away.

I don't own a passport or speak another language, both of which I sometimes regret. On the other hand, I live in a country that is larger than all of western Europe combined. The nearest large city from mine-Las Vegas-is a six-hour drive away, at 100 kph. The only country I could possibly visit without making an all-day flight is Mexico, and they are more than eager to learn English; except of course the ones who are here, and they want us all to speak Spanish.

I agree that places like New York may need strong gun control; we don't, and for that reason I stand against national gun control laws.

Well put SS. Except, I don't think gun control should be in New York either. Look at my statistics above. The drop in violent crime coincides with the mass issuance of Concealed Weapons Permits - and it had a dramatic effect almost overnight. We now have 1/3rd the violent crime in the US since states started doing this.

-S

PS. I forgot to mention that states that kept their control laws and did not adopt CWP's have continued on at the very same rate prior to the 1990's in number of violent crimes. So technically, overall the statistics should be even lower, but these few states that held out and refused to issue permits are dragging the numbers up - making it look worse than it actually is for most states, even though it looks really good - it should look better!

PPS. As of 1998, our violent crime rate had already dropped to less than half of Englands rate (That statistic is buried in this forum somewhere - I found the actual reported English violent crimes), so as of today, we are probably 1/4 or less than England now.

SUBMAN1 · 04-20-06, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Abraham

I am a *******ing nutjob who needs therapy, with a Heckler & Koch P7 M8 9mm.
I have been shooting thousands of bullets since 1989 and I have never hit anybody...

If you want to sell that, I might be interested.

-S

Abraham · 04-20-06, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

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Originally Posted by Abraham

I am a *******ing nutjob who needs therapy, with a Heckler & Koch P7 M8 9mm.
I have been shooting thousands of bullets since 1989 and I have never hit anybody...

If you want to sell that, I might be interested.

-S

No no no, there is a misunderstanding here. I am quite happy with my high-tech gun. Happily shoothing away those rounds.
The fact that I never hit anybody may well be due to the fact that I never aimed a loaded gun at anybody, and most probably will never do so.
Wim Libaerts figured that one out, I think...

Wim Libaers · 04-20-06, 03:47 PM

Either that, or it'd be the longest session of suppressive fire in human history.

TLAM Strike · 04-20-06, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Abraham

The fact that I never hit anybody may well be due to the fact that I never aimed a loaded gun at anybody, and most probably will never do so.

You don't know me well enough yet...

SUBMAN1 · 04-21-06, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Abraham

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

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Originally Posted by Abraham

I am a *******ing nutjob who needs therapy, with a Heckler & Koch P7 M8 9mm.
I have been shooting thousands of bullets since 1989 and I have never hit anybody...

If you want to sell that, I might be interested.

-S

No no no, there is a misunderstanding here. I am quite happy with my high-tech gun. Happily shoothing away those rounds.
The fact that I never hit anybody may well be due to the fact that I never aimed a loaded gun at anybody, and most probably will never do so.
Wim Libaerts figured that one out, I think...

I was just making a suggestion since a P7 would make a nice addition to my collection! :P

A 9mm is a good plinker. Make sure you get 147 gr ammo for it though since 115 gr has been proven ineffective in taking down a bad guy (according to the FBI). I can recall the guy the police shot 32 times with 115 gr and he still didn't die! 115 gr is good for plinking however! Found it for $4 a box last time I was in AZ, so we bought 1000 rds and grabbed a Glock 18, and 3 MP5's and took off to the desert!

-S

The Noob · 04-21-06, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ABBAFAN

What firearms do you use and what are your favourites?

I Never had a Gun. But the German P38 Looks Quite Cool. But Even if i may buy it Someday, i will Have no ammo for it cos i only want It cos it was the Commanders Gun on a U-Boat. The Commanders gun was a P38 Wasn't it? :hmm:

ABBAFAN · 04-21-06, 03:40 PM

probably a walther.

The Noob · 04-21-06, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ABBAFAN

probably a walther.

Pics? Links? Were can i LEGALLY Buy one?

The Noob · 04-21-06, 03:47 PM

Stupid idea, wrong place for that.

Sorry.

SUBMAN1 · 04-21-06, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by The Noob

Stupid idea, wrong place for that.

Sorry.

Legally buy one? Pretty much anywhere in the US.

What country are you in?

-S

The Noob · 04-22-06, 09:48 AM

I'm in Austria. Thats Pretty Much Like Germany.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austria

bradclark1 · 04-22-06, 10:07 AM

This is my weapon and this is my gun(holding crotch). This is for killing and this is for fun.

SUBMAN1 · 04-24-06, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by The Noob

I'm in Austria. Thats Pretty Much Like Germany.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austria

Do they allow you to own anything in Austria?

-S

Ducimus · 04-24-06, 10:27 PM

I used to be a gun nut.

7 years in the mililtar cured me of that. Now while i don't particularly hate them, im not all that enthusiastic about them either. It's a tool for a job, and it has to be cleaned and maintained. (thats the part that cured me of my enthusiasm).

For home defense, id prefer a short barreled pump action shotgun sans plug, with an extended magazine tube that extends the length of the barrel. Must be able to shoot up to 3 inch high brass magnum w/ a buckshot load.

For target shooting, if i could afford it, id get an M14. Very nice solid piece.

Never was much for sidearms, but i suppose id enjoy your standard 9mm military issue pieces. Never was much on Dirty harry, although as a special intrest piece, id love to have some old colt navy's to target shoot with.

As a primary duty weapon, i think id prefer an AK74, since its the most modern AK varient im aware of. I honestly never did like M16's all that much. (ive used A1's, A2's and M4's) Sure the magazines are lighter, and their more accurate at range, but ive found them far too tempermental to the enviorment, you have to keep those rifles immaculate. of all the M16's If i HAD to use one, i think id take an A1 with the forward assist and a 30 round magazine.

04-21-06, 03:40 PM	#83
ABBAFAN Commander Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 456 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	probably a walther. __________________ CHOOSE RFA! LESS GRAFT, MORE PAY.

04-20-06, 03:47 PM	#79
Wim Libaers Samurai Navy Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Flanders Posts: 569 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Either that, or it'd be the longest session of suppressive fire in human history.

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The Noob The Old Man Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: de_dust2 Posts: 1,417 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Stupid idea, wrong place for that. Sorry.

04-22-06, 09:48 AM	#87
The Noob The Old Man Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: de_dust2 Posts: 1,417 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I'm in Austria. Thats Pretty Much Like Germany. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austria

04-22-06, 10:07 AM	#88
bradclark1 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Connecticut, USA. Posts: 2,794 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	This is my weapon and this is my gun(holding crotch). This is for killing and this is for fun.

04-24-06, 10:27 PM	#90
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	I used to be a gun nut. 7 years in the mililtar cured me of that. Now while i don't particularly hate them, im not all that enthusiastic about them either. It's a tool for a job, and it has to be cleaned and maintained. (thats the part that cured me of my enthusiasm). For home defense, id prefer a short barreled pump action shotgun sans plug, with an extended magazine tube that extends the length of the barrel. Must be able to shoot up to 3 inch high brass magnum w/ a buckshot load. For target shooting, if i could afford it, id get an M14. Very nice solid piece. Never was much for sidearms, but i suppose id enjoy your standard 9mm military issue pieces. Never was much on Dirty harry, although as a special intrest piece, id love to have some old colt navy's to target shoot with. As a primary duty weapon, i think id prefer an AK74, since its the most modern AK varient im aware of. I honestly never did like M16's all that much. (ive used A1's, A2's and M4's) Sure the magazines are lighter, and their more accurate at range, but ive found them far too tempermental to the enviorment, you have to keep those rifles immaculate. of all the M16's If i HAD to use one, i think id take an A1 with the forward assist and a 30 round magazine.