Sea Wolves - Submarines on Hunt - Page 6

Wulfmann · 03-05-06, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by trenken

Does anyone know what the sales of SH3 were? I know Call of duty is big business. The FPS market is obviously far beyond the sim market. But if SH3 did actually hit 100k in sales, that would have generated Ubi about $5mil. I would guess and say the production of these games costs less than that, and therefore they would be profitting, which would make it worth it to them to continue making these games.

Although way over the hill I know a lot of younger gamers through all of this stuff.
Most care little about WWII but when I run the start up of CoDUA many go right out and buy it and love it.
When I show them SH3 they look at the monitor like a calf looking at a new gate!
None have ever asked about it again.
It is a very narrow field of unique wackos that spend hours getting ready to shoot something and then break out in cold sweats over a hydophone machine cringing at every ping like someone is stabbing them with a knife.

Wulfmann

jasondef · 03-05-06, 10:00 PM

Well, I'm not faulting Ubisoft for anything they've done. Most of these smaller game producers its all they can do to keep afloat, and many go under all the time. So from their standpoint, go ahead and let modders mod and official expansions go ahead and charge money, whatever Ubi can do to expand the playability the better.

And I came into this game in January, never knew about X-1's past, so I am not biased against them for anything new that they do now that is legit. I've read what their new Med expansion does, and to be honest it sounds pretty good to me, with several features that I have yet to see in any of the mods within this fabulous mod community. Like SIXTY new cities, naval and airbase additions, new ships, and the historical activity like D-Day, etc. Some of the other features do seem "borrowed" or copied, but some of these things are just common sense fixes that should've come with the game in the first place, like improved AI, new missions or at least more variety in missions besides "patrol grid X", ships/traffic in the harbors, more interesting graphics and scenery, and tutorials for firing spreads and attacking convoys among others. These things have already been done by the mod community, but as long as X-1 did them themselves that's OK. Just like within the mod community, there are different mods for the same thing each done by a different creator, like new skins, scenery additions, etc. One modder comes up with a good idea, and different modders take the idea and do it their own way.

As long as X-1 isn't stealing or copying the exact mods its no different than just another modder doing it his/her own way, and I have yet to see real proof that they're stealing exact mods. And how can anybody prove anything at least until it comes out and then we can examine its real contents, rather than speculating based on their past? I believe in giving people second chances.

I would personally rather not pay for mods of course, but as long as they're offering certain things that I can't find elsewhere in the freeware mod community, like the features I described above, I will consider it if its well done.

If we the mod community (I use "we" loosely, as I have yet to create a mod myself) don't like them charging money, lets wait until it comes out, then "borrow" their new features, and create our own new mods that copy those features and offer them up as our own mods! If they can do it to the mod community, than the mod community can do it to them, and that would solve my dilemna of wanting to support this great mod community and at the same time covet the pay-for cool features that this Med expansion brings to the table. I just want to get the most out of my game, is that so wrong?

The one real reservation that I have against X-1 is that this Trombke guy does seem like a real a-hole and I'd hate to support him. But I think I read somewhere back there that Wulfman says he's not there anymore. And I have yet to come across any company that doesn't have an a-hole boss somewhere within, and if I boycotted every company that had an a-hole boss somewhere I'd be reduced to a caveman using stone tools with no technology whatsoever.

So in summary, as long as any company brings something new to the table for any game, I must consider it as a game enthusiast. And if I see real proof of wrong doings by X-1 in this new Med expansion, which seems to me has to wait at least until it comes out for thorough examination, I'll drop them like a hot potato. Lets make our own mods that covers whatever is new from this expansion, and our problems will be solved! If they can do it to us, we can do it to them!

jasondef · 03-06-06, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

3. The same Trombke went so far as to post porn material here,

Porn material? Where exactly is that? Just so I know where to avoid.

03-07-06, 10:22 AM

Hey people!

I'm a big fan of Silent Hunter 3 and I've already installed all the possible mods I can install at the same time, before even seeing this fake ass, rip off remake...

Seawolves... :rotfl:

But anyway, I run a internet gameshop and I was looking for some screenshots for this game (to sell it) but after reading this I, see that these people are bastards for taking mods other people made and sell it to make money themselves.

So I deleted the game from my database.
I don't want to sell games ripped from people who put hard effort and a lot af time into something they offer for free to others.

GMX Media sucks.

For everyone who makes mods, serious or not.
Thanks and keep up the good work.

Special thanks to Juju :P He does GREAT work.

John Channing · 03-07-06, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jasondef

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Originally Posted by Catfish

3. The same Trombke went so far as to post porn material here,

Porn material? Where exactly is that? Just so I know where to avoid.

Sorry.. to late to "avoid" it! It's gone for good.

JCC

Razman23 · 03-07-06, 10:39 PM

Why should I pay for a Med Add-on when Grandmas Tonnage Mod works and looks ten times better?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Razman23 · 03-07-06, 10:48 PM

I was posting over at SimHQ and got one of the X1 lackys to spill where he got the mods. As you can see they had already rifled through the free mods to pick out what they wanted to pass off as their own.......again.

==========

ok, mate, obviously you have a bee in the bonnet. But I'll try and respond fairly.

Expanded radio log messages for 1941-1943

We are not using the free mod and have built our own.

Reduced effects of fatigue for the crew

We made our own

New interior graphics for all U-boats

Used by permission

Uniform enhancements

made our own

Hi resolution skins on the Type VII and Type IXD, including camoflage options

We were going to ask permission but didn't like the ones available so we made our own. We have four choices for Type VIIB and VIIC

Hi resolution harbors

Took them out because of frame rate concerns.

New skins on many warships

Many, many hours spent building our own. We have three times the skins of any mod out there.

Reworked and improved sounds

Every single sound has been edited, many new sounds.

New smoke and particle effects

Many hours building our own effects.

An improved damage model for U-boats

I confess I don't know what is out there, but we made our own anyway.

Reduced sonar accuracy, realistic limits for destroyers

Used by permission, then we added some details of our own.

Reduced night vision acuity for all enemies

Didn't like what was out there, we made our own.

Improved surface detection range out to 10km.

I believe the mods available were 8 or 16, we made our own at 10km.

Did I mention 45 new ships? But I guess this mod is out there too right?

==================

You can read the whole thread here.

http://www.simhq.com/cgi-bin/ultimat...f=129&t=001547

Wulfmann · 03-08-06, 08:06 PM

Being that I am beta testing the Med add on, that does sound about right to me.
One thing I really like a lot is when you are hitting a ship with the deck gun you see constant effects from the hits. I have seen so many secondary explosions and fires the ship was engulfed and I thought it was sunk but actually was not.
There are many nice things in this and with SH4 at least a year and a half away many with ill feelings will miss even trying this while others will buy it and not say anything, IMO.

Wulfmann

jasonb885 · 03-12-06, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Wulfmann

What you and a few (I am sure well meaning) short sighted people refuse to consider is Seawolves will reach 10 to 100 times as many people as our little community effort, no matter how much we enjoy it.

Eh?

That argument makes little sense.

CP and his tool are making a quick buck with a lesser quality product, shrouded in lies, at the expense of the purchaser. I hardly see how that services my interest as a modder or the community's interest in any fashion. Ripping off people services no one but the scammer.

Look at it another way. The scammed person is now out 20 Euros, which could've been spent on something else, helping pay the wages of actual hard working people.

Are you saying somewhere, someone who lost his job should be totally cool with the fact that a scammer took away his job?

Anyway.

jasondef · 03-12-06, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jasonb885

I hardly see how that services my interest as a modder or the community's interest in any fashion.

I think Wulframm meant that it services the interest of Ubisoft to sell more copies of SH3 out there to the general public.

Wulfmann · 03-12-06, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jasondef

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Originally Posted by jasonb885

I hardly see how that services my interest as a modder or the community's interest in any fashion.

I think Wulframm meant that it services the interest of Ubisoft to sell more copies of SH3 out there to the general public.

Wulframm??? Is that a little Brokeback Uboatin joke??? :rotfl:

I mean the more help we get in selling a few more copies that gave UBI the idea to go ahead with SH4 is a benefit to all of us.

The fact some still relive the same old tired arguments that when challenged showed no wrong doing and the fact the next package is full of all new stuff (I know this for a fact) still gets the die hard we would rather our community dies than see them succeed pathetic attitude.
The only thing I read that could be questioned was Serg asking if his ships were in this next install. To be sure I asked that the naming of new ships not use the names Serg had used for his (also because I wanted to use his ships in my SH3 as well as their ships) and they promptly renamed them.
But, seeing that I am beta testing the Med project and none of you are; you (J885) still seem to suggest you know more of what is in it than I do.
Your next statement should read something like:
â€œWho are you going to believe Wulfmann? Me or your lying eyes!!â€
I believe what I see and know is true. You go on and continue to make false accusations and then be annoyed when this sells very very well of which I can assure you it will.
It will sell on its merits as a worthwhile add on. Mark my words.
Wulfmann

jasonb885 · 03-12-06, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Wulfmann

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Originally Posted by jasondef

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Originally Posted by jasonb885

I hardly see how that services my interest as a modder or the community's interest in any fashion.

I think Wulframm meant that it services the interest of Ubisoft to sell more copies of SH3 out there to the general public.

Wulframm??? Is that a little Brokeback Uboatin joke??? :rotfl:

I mean the more help we get in selling a few more copies that gave UBI the idea to go ahead with SH4 is a benefit to all of us.

In a roundabout way, you can claim that, but it's a false assumption.

No one's going to buy SH3 because they've already bought some kind of SeaWolves mod. So, it doesn't actually serve anyone but the scammer.

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Originally Posted by Wulfmann

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But, seeing that I am beta testing the Med project and none of you are; you (J885) still seem to suggest you know more of what is in it than I do.

I only suggested -- as anyone can go back and read -- that your assertion that somehow UBI will produce a SH4 due to number of copies of SeaWolves sold is obviously false.

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Originally Posted by Wulfmann

Your next statement should read something like:
â€œWho are you going to believe Wulfmann? Me or your lying eyes!!â€
I believe what I see and know is true. You go on and continue to make false accusations and then be annoyed when this sells very very well of which I can assure you it will.
It will sell on its merits as a worthwhile add on. Mark my words.
Wulfmann

Eh?

I don't know or need to know anything about the scammer operation.

What's clear is your blind support of X1 makes you someone I disagree with.

<We don't resort to name calling here. JCC>

kiwi_2005 · 03-12-06, 07:05 PM

Wulfmann wrote:

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When I show them SH3 they look at the monitor like a calf looking at a new gate!

:rotfl:

I have never heard that saying before but i like it.

..... want some humor come to subsim.

Wulfmann · 03-12-06, 07:35 PM

J885? Blind????

I actually have the beta now. How are you so sure that what I see is not there? You are telling me that what I see and experience does not exist.
Interesting that in complete ignorance you live with such bliss.

You, once again, skillfully twist words and divert the subject. I do admire that, Goebels would be proud.

All I said was that anything that generates interest in SH3 helps the community.
The sold out sales figures of the first Seawolves suggest it is far from an unwanted product.
You insist that it is impossible for someone to see this and then want SH3 (likely they had not seen that yet?)
While I had nothing to do with that original in any way, I, like most here, had no reason to consider it as what was produced my the mod community better suited my taste.
But, the next one, in Beta called Seawolves Mediterranean (Will not be its released name), is 20-30 more than the first.
45 new ships and countng!
I know this because I have it and it is not close to being done with adding many new things.
These many things that I have in front of me you still insist do not exist.
When this is released we shall see if you will be man enough to comment.
I predict it will sell out quickly.
Let us see who is right on game day!

Wulfmann

03-12-06, 07:52 PM

Wait a minute, there's going to be another one? How much is that going to cost? I am still not understanding how a company that isn't UBIsoft is allowed to profit on mods that require the original game's engine to funtion in the first place? Does this company have the SDK for the original game and make brand new content or are they just charging people for some simple tweaks and edits to the original game that most of the regulars here at subsim.com already know how to do and do it for free for the community?

03-05-06, 10:00 PM	#2
jasondef Weps Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 358 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Well, I'm not faulting Ubisoft for anything they've done. Most of these smaller game producers its all they can do to keep afloat, and many go under all the time. So from their standpoint, go ahead and let modders mod and official expansions go ahead and charge money, whatever Ubi can do to expand the playability the better. And I came into this game in January, never knew about X-1's past, so I am not biased against them for anything new that they do now that is legit. I've read what their new Med expansion does, and to be honest it sounds pretty good to me, with several features that I have yet to see in any of the mods within this fabulous mod community. Like SIXTY new cities, naval and airbase additions, new ships, and the historical activity like D-Day, etc. Some of the other features do seem "borrowed" or copied, but some of these things are just common sense fixes that should've come with the game in the first place, like improved AI, new missions or at least more variety in missions besides "patrol grid X", ships/traffic in the harbors, more interesting graphics and scenery, and tutorials for firing spreads and attacking convoys among others. These things have already been done by the mod community, but as long as X-1 did them themselves that's OK. Just like within the mod community, there are different mods for the same thing each done by a different creator, like new skins, scenery additions, etc. One modder comes up with a good idea, and different modders take the idea and do it their own way. As long as X-1 isn't stealing or copying the exact mods its no different than just another modder doing it his/her own way, and I have yet to see real proof that they're stealing exact mods. And how can anybody prove anything at least until it comes out and then we can examine its real contents, rather than speculating based on their past? I believe in giving people second chances. I would personally rather not pay for mods of course, but as long as they're offering certain things that I can't find elsewhere in the freeware mod community, like the features I described above, I will consider it if its well done. If we the mod community (I use "we" loosely, as I have yet to create a mod myself) don't like them charging money, lets wait until it comes out, then "borrow" their new features, and create our own new mods that copy those features and offer them up as our own mods! If they can do it to the mod community, than the mod community can do it to them, and that would solve my dilemna of wanting to support this great mod community and at the same time covet the pay-for cool features that this Med expansion brings to the table. I just want to get the most out of my game, is that so wrong? The one real reservation that I have against X-1 is that this Trombke guy does seem like a real a-hole and I'd hate to support him. But I think I read somewhere back there that Wulfman says he's not there anymore. And I have yet to come across any company that doesn't have an a-hole boss somewhere within, and if I boycotted every company that had an a-hole boss somewhere I'd be reduced to a caveman using stone tools with no technology whatsoever. So in summary, as long as any company brings something new to the table for any game, I must consider it as a game enthusiast. And if I see real proof of wrong doings by X-1 in this new Med expansion, which seems to me has to wait at least until it comes out for thorough examination, I'll drop them like a hot potato. Lets make our own mods that covers whatever is new from this expansion, and our problems will be solved! If they can do it to us, we can do it to them! __________________ "My, God! Those bulkheads! Did you hear them burst!" System: 40gb 5400rpm HD \| Generic MB from around '02 \| P4 2.6 400GHz \| 1 GB PC2100 DDR (2 mismatched 512's) 16x CD-ROM \| GeForce 7800 AGP \| broken Radio Shack case fan \| Ergonomic keyboard (missing a shift key) PS2 ball mouse \| surge protector \| USB 1.1 expansion card \| Really cool surround-sound headphones

03-07-06, 10:39 PM	#6
Razman23 Engineer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 217 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Why should I pay for a Med Add-on when Grandmas Tonnage Mod works and looks ten times better?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!? __________________ Raz === "Wir haben einen LKW versenkt!" Kptlt.. W.M. Kraus U-112 2nd Flotilla Brest === "We sunk a truck!" Captain Matt Sherman USS Sea Tiger Cavite Naval Yards Phillippine Islands

03-07-06, 10:48 PM	#7
Razman23 Engineer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 217 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I was posting over at SimHQ and got one of the X1 lackys to spill where he got the mods. As you can see they had already rifled through the free mods to pick out what they wanted to pass off as their own.......again. ========== ok, mate, obviously you have a bee in the bonnet. But I'll try and respond fairly. Expanded radio log messages for 1941-1943 We are not using the free mod and have built our own. Reduced effects of fatigue for the crew We made our own New interior graphics for all U-boats Used by permission Uniform enhancements made our own Hi resolution skins on the Type VII and Type IXD, including camoflage options We were going to ask permission but didn't like the ones available so we made our own. We have four choices for Type VIIB and VIIC Hi resolution harbors Took them out because of frame rate concerns. New skins on many warships Many, many hours spent building our own. We have three times the skins of any mod out there. Reworked and improved sounds Every single sound has been edited, many new sounds. New smoke and particle effects Many hours building our own effects. An improved damage model for U-boats I confess I don't know what is out there, but we made our own anyway. Reduced sonar accuracy, realistic limits for destroyers Used by permission, then we added some details of our own. Reduced night vision acuity for all enemies Didn't like what was out there, we made our own. Improved surface detection range out to 10km. I believe the mods available were 8 or 16, we made our own at 10km. Did I mention 45 new ships? But I guess this mod is out there too right? ================== You can read the whole thread here. http://www.simhq.com/cgi-bin/ultimat...f=129&t=001547 __________________ Raz === "Wir haben einen LKW versenkt!" Kptlt.. W.M. Kraus U-112 2nd Flotilla Brest === "We sunk a truck!" Captain Matt Sherman USS Sea Tiger Cavite Naval Yards Phillippine Islands

03-08-06, 08:06 PM	#8
Wulfmann Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 1,010 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Being that I am beta testing the Med add on, that does sound about right to me. One thing I really like a lot is when you are hitting a ship with the deck gun you see constant effects from the hits. I have seen so many secondary explosions and fires the ship was engulfed and I thought it was sunk but actually was not. There are many nice things in this and with SH4 at least a year and a half away many with ill feelings will miss even trying this while others will buy it and not say anything, IMO. Wulfmann __________________ "The right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed upon, if only to prevent tyranny in government" Thomas Jefferson,; Constitutional debates

03-12-06, 07:35 PM	#14
Wulfmann Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 1,010 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	J885? Blind???? I actually have the beta now. How are you so sure that what I see is not there? You are telling me that what I see and experience does not exist. Interesting that in complete ignorance you live with such bliss. You, once again, skillfully twist words and divert the subject. I do admire that, Goebels would be proud. All I said was that anything that generates interest in SH3 helps the community. The sold out sales figures of the first Seawolves suggest it is far from an unwanted product. You insist that it is impossible for someone to see this and then want SH3 (likely they had not seen that yet?) While I had nothing to do with that original in any way, I, like most here, had no reason to consider it as what was produced my the mod community better suited my taste. But, the next one, in Beta called Seawolves Mediterranean (Will not be its released name), is 20-30 more than the first. 45 new ships and countng! I know this because I have it and it is not close to being done with adding many new things. These many things that I have in front of me you still insist do not exist. When this is released we shall see if you will be man enough to comment. I predict it will sell out quickly. Let us see who is right on game day! Wulfmann __________________ "The right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed upon, if only to prevent tyranny in government" Thomas Jefferson,; Constitutional debates

03-07-06, 10:22 AM	#4
mrfu Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Hey people! I'm a big fan of Silent Hunter 3 and I've already installed all the possible mods I can install at the same time, before even seeing this fake ass, rip off remake... Seawolves... :rotfl: But anyway, I run a internet gameshop and I was looking for some screenshots for this game (to sell it) but after reading this I, see that these people are bastards for taking mods other people made and sell it to make money themselves. So I deleted the game from my database. I don't want to sell games ripped from people who put hard effort and a lot af time into something they offer for free to others. GMX Media sucks. For everyone who makes mods, serious or not. Thanks and keep up the good work. Special thanks to Juju :P He does GREAT work.

03-12-06, 07:52 PM	#15
SubSerpent Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Wait a minute, there's going to be another one? How much is that going to cost? I am still not understanding how a company that isn't UBIsoft is allowed to profit on mods that require the original game's engine to funtion in the first place? Does this company have the SDK for the original game and make brand new content or are they just charging people for some simple tweaks and edits to the original game that most of the regulars here at subsim.com already know how to do and do it for free for the community?