We do not want StarForce in SH4!!! - Page 6

Gizzmoe · 12-29-05, 03:53 AM

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Herr Karl · 12-30-05, 02:43 AM

Well...I think the developers should be able to protect their interest. I`ve had starforce problems also. Just make sure the protection system is researched properly. I`m not happy about starforce or any other copy protection system, but I believe it to be a necessary evil.

JUST MAKE SURE IT WORKS AS ADVERTISED

marius · 01-02-06, 05:05 AM

Any protection is fine as long as its not starforce.

Sea Demon · 01-02-06, 05:59 AM

OK. I removed SH3 from my system, but how do I remove Starforce drivers? Anybody know how?

SD

Syxx_Killer · 01-02-06, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Demon

OK. I removed SH3 from my system, but how do I remove Starforce drivers? Anybody know how?

SD

Well, the only thing that I know of is to download the removal tool. Other than that, to be absolutely sure they ate gone is to probably reformat the harddrive.

http://www.onlinesecurity-on.com/protect.phtml?c=55

Seeadler · 01-02-06, 01:11 PM

Common StarForce Removal Tool:
http://www.onlinesecurity-on.com/protect.phtml?c=55

Some game developer studions, Codemaster or Eagle Dynamics for example, offers also their own removal tool!

Letum · 01-02-06, 03:16 PM

Just to say

NO STARFORCE PLEASE UBI

they wont put it in now ive said that

Krieg-Schwein · 01-02-06, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Drebbel

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Originally Posted by Zachstar

YOu have any idea how much money they lost from having StarForce?

Nope

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Knowone really knows

Ah, you asking trick questions now :-)

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but with the hatred of starforce out there it seems they missed out on selling quite a few copys.

So what ? sometimes you just have to protect what is yours. Is like getting a lock on your door. Costs money, is annoying, is not good for yourself at all, and you might even get less visitors because that pretty girl from next door thinks you are not home and leaves again.

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And I saw a pic of it on some site already cracked within a week after its realese.

True, the type of doorlock I have was picked as well, about 2 months after it was on the marked. So I definately gonna get rid of all my doorlocks, they don't work anyway.

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Who won D? DId UBI no

Why not ? You stated yourself you have no idea how much SF gained/cost UBIsoft

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Did we the paying customers win? No

Yes we probably did. If UBI makes more $$ the could charge less for the games and/or invest more money in the next game.

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Did the hackers and the theieves win? Yes they ended up with a SH3 that worked better than our verision.

Yep, the thief that stole my brothere cdplayer also did win, he got one for free. So I say again. Lets get rid of all doorlocks !!

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That is just plain wrong and we must not let it happen again.

Ah, I agree, the next StarForce must be better, less bugs, and way more difficult to crack. I am so glad that we agree afterall

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Originally Posted by Drebbel

Hmm, can not stop wondering why you all want to get rid of Starforce. If you all in favor of copyright protection why then not just "demand" a SF of better quality ?

Why make strong statement that you will not buy SHIV if it has SF ?

Because I am sure that when SHIV is released and there are no real problems with the new version of SF you will all forget about your earlier statements and simply go out and buy the game.

A little story for you!

I have 2 DVD burners on my computer working 100% perfectly fine!!

I burned at least 15 DVDs for relatives and Friends this Christmas with NOT 1 Problems At all.
meanwhile I had been having some problems hosting MP games on my other computer that I use strictly for gaming, any way I put SH3 on my server to host and was going to use a fresh install and NO mods to to try to figure out why my MP games keep crashing and now thanks to Star $%#ing Force all of my DVD burns fail 90%of the time and when I do get a burn with out failing the DVD is usually messed UP.
The good news is that I have my drive Ghosted and can restore it the the way it was before I installed SF and now It works perfectly the way it did before, and BTW removing the SF driver does not fix the problem.
So please quit sticking up for the anti pirates crowd because just like Green Peace they cause more problems for the law abiding than problems for the pirates!
This is a Fact because there is a No CD patch for SH3 that you do not have to have SF installed to play!!! so really the point. they are not going to fix it because if you listen to them there is noting wrong with it, If they wanted to do something they could with other ways other than SF but it all has to do with money changeing hand in the Executive lobby!

Herr Karl · 01-02-06, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Demon

OK. I removed SH3 from my system, but how do I remove Starforce drivers? Anybody know how?

SD

Here is another: http://www.star-force.com/protection.phtml?c=91

Not!

I can`t burn ISO images is one of my problems. I don`t think starforce should be used again. I`d rather pay an xtra 5 bucks for a more expensive and less intrusive copy protection system.

Dowly · 01-02-06, 06:07 PM

Starforce

No-DVD files kicking StarforceÂ´s ass

TDK1044 · 01-03-06, 01:33 PM

Guys, if you put the numbers of members of all the SH111 forums together, you'll get a figure that represents about one percent of total sales. Ubisoft's decision regarding protection for SH1V will not be influenced at all by any opinions expressed here. Such forums are however very useful for the DEVs.

Soulcommander · 01-10-06, 12:53 AM

Hello all...Some breaking info!!!!!

Wanted you to see this post this guy seems to know whats going on........and is the latest post that really sheds some light on things!
Be sure to check out his webpage too. I can't share what he told me in a personal email but I know this gentleman is on the up and up! PLEASE do READ THESE!!!!!

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee/forums...2871061083/p/5

Scroll down slowly to 13thhr !!!!

Also the forum moderator comments on SHIII forum BE SURE TO CHECK THIS OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee/forums...3/m/4001086693

I will keep you all updated as normal.

SC

donut · 01-10-06, 05:45 AM

copied Info.Starforce has received criticism for installing its own device driver onto computers. The Starforce drivers are often linked to system instability and computer crashes. If these problems occur, the end-user would be unware as to the cause of the problem, and would be helpless to solve the problem.

Moreover, the Starforce drivers, installed on your system, grant ring 0 (system level) privileges to any code under the ring 3 (user level) privileges. Thus, any virus or trojan can get OS privileges and totally control your system. Since Windows 2000, the Windows line security and stability got enhanced by separating those privileges, but with the Starforce drivers, the old system holes and instabilities are back and any program (or virus) can reach the core of your system by using the Starforce drivers as a backdoor.

Is my system concerned,check device manager In the menu above select View and select Show Hidden Devices:If you have Staforce, it will be listed under the Non-plug and play drivers tree:If you remove,you won't be able to play SHIII. BEWARE, We all would like a solution!----http://www.glop.org/starforce/---removal tool---LOL

Gizzmoe · 01-10-06, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by donut

Moreover, the Starforce drivers, installed on your system, grant ring 0 (system level) privileges to any code under the ring 3 (user level) privileges. Thus, any virus or trojan can get OS privileges and totally control your system.

That doesnÂ´t really matter as 99% of all home users are logged in with admin rights, not restricted user rights. Viruses or trojans donÂ´t need SF to kill your system.

01-10-06, 07:37 AM

What I find interesting is - Why is it that the same 2 moderators have jumped to the defence of 2 instance's of dubious pracises of 2 company's that directly or indirectly effect the ppl on these forums. I cant help thinking that either they just like to be the devils advocate and stir things along or are indeed blind as the proverbial bat and as deaf as a door post.

1 doesn't need to see jimmy putting his hand in the cookie jar to know he stole them when all other options are improbable.

It makes 1 wonder as to their motives in the grand scheme of things.

12-30-05, 02:43 AM	#2
Herr Karl Medic Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Seattle,WA/Dutch Harbor,AK Posts: 163 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Well...I think the developers should be able to protect their interest. I`ve had starforce problems also. Just make sure the protection system is researched properly. I`m not happy about starforce or any other copy protection system, but I believe it to be a necessary evil. JUST MAKE SURE IT WORKS AS ADVERTISED __________________ Gato

01-02-06, 03:16 PM	#7
Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Just to say NO STARFORCE PLEASE UBI they wont put it in now ive said that __________________

01-10-06, 12:53 AM	#12
Soulcommander Electrician's Mate Join Date: May 2005 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 137 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Hello all...Some breaking info!!!!! Wanted you to see this post this guy seems to know whats going on........and is the latest post that really sheds some light on things! Be sure to check out his webpage too. I can't share what he told me in a personal email but I know this gentleman is on the up and up! PLEASE do READ THESE!!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee/forums...2871061083/p/5 Scroll down slowly to 13thhr !!!! Also the forum moderator comments on SHIII forum BE SURE TO CHECK THIS OUT!!!!!!!!!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee/forums...3/m/4001086693 I will keep you all updated as normal. SC __________________

12-29-05, 03:53 AM	#1
Gizzmoe Silent Hunter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 3,668 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	For those of you who donÂ´t know the forum rules yet, here they are: http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/faq.php

01-02-06, 05:05 AM	#3
marius Watch Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 29 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Any protection is fine as long as its not starforce.

01-02-06, 05:59 AM	#4
Sea Demon Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: USA Posts: 2,552 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	OK. I removed SH3 from my system, but how do I remove Starforce drivers? Anybody know how? SD

01-02-06, 01:11 PM	#6
Seeadler Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Northern Germany Posts: 1,096 Downloads: 169 Uploads: 0	Common StarForce Removal Tool: http://www.onlinesecurity-on.com/protect.phtml?c=55 Some game developer studions, Codemaster or Eagle Dynamics for example, offers also their own removal tool!

01-02-06, 06:07 PM	#10
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,054 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Starforce No-DVD files kicking StarforceÂ´s ass

01-03-06, 01:33 PM	#11
TDK1044 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 2,674 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Guys, if you put the numbers of members of all the SH111 forums together, you'll get a figure that represents about one percent of total sales. Ubisoft's decision regarding protection for SH1V will not be influenced at all by any opinions expressed here. Such forums are however very useful for the DEVs.

01-10-06, 05:45 AM	#13
donut The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: The Shifting, Whispering Sands, NM Posts: 1,463 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	copied Info.Starforce has received criticism for installing its own device driver onto computers. The Starforce drivers are often linked to system instability and computer crashes. If these problems occur, the end-user would be unware as to the cause of the problem, and would be helpless to solve the problem. Moreover, the Starforce drivers, installed on your system, grant ring 0 (system level) privileges to any code under the ring 3 (user level) privileges. Thus, any virus or trojan can get OS privileges and totally control your system. Since Windows 2000, the Windows line security and stability got enhanced by separating those privileges, but with the Starforce drivers, the old system holes and instabilities are back and any program (or virus) can reach the core of your system by using the Starforce drivers as a backdoor. Is my system concerned,check device manager In the menu above select View and select Show Hidden Devices:If you have Staforce, it will be listed under the Non-plug and play drivers tree:If you remove,you won't be able to play SHIII. BEWARE, We all would like a solution!----http://www.glop.org/starforce/---removal tool---LOL

01-10-06, 07:37 AM	#15
Cdre Gibs Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	What I find interesting is - Why is it that the same 2 moderators have jumped to the defence of 2 instance's of dubious pracises of 2 company's that directly or indirectly effect the ppl on these forums. I cant help thinking that either they just like to be the devils advocate and stir things along or are indeed blind as the proverbial bat and as deaf as a door post. 1 doesn't need to see jimmy putting his hand in the cookie jar to know he stole them when all other options are improbable. It makes 1 wonder as to their motives in the grand scheme of things.