Brexit ?

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Of course it's good, this is where they "stole" it from:

I think it was 1998, when this was played 24 hours a day over all radios, in Germany

The original was 1996, but they rereleased it in '98.

I remember the '96 one being very popular at school.

[Jimbuna]

Yeah, very popular in the UK but for obvious reasons

[Eichhörnchen]

Originally Posted by Oberon

...our farming industry pretty much reliant on EU subsidies for survival (which is something that no-one has mentioned in this whole referendum talk yet)

This issue was mentioned last week on Radio4... "Farming Today", most probably (I get up early). Somebody did ask what happens to the farmers when their subsidies disappear, answered with the vague assertion that the government will probably ensure that something is put in their place.

But at the moment I'm for out.

[Catfish]

"They rode in from the South."
"But why?"

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Eichhörnchen

This issue was mentioned last week on Radio4... "Farming Today", most probably (I get up early). Somebody did ask what happens to the farmers when their subsidies disappear, answered with the vague assertion that the government will probably ensure that something is put in their place.

But at the moment I'm for out.

I'd have thought seeing as we get less back than what we put in that would be easily sorted.

I'm for out also.

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

I'd have thought seeing as we get less back than what we put in that would be easily sorted.

I'm for out also.

Sorted by the present British government? I admire your confidence...

[STEED]

In out in out shake it all about the bad mouthing has started and BS is flying about.


Over to you Elmo.

[Catfish]

Some business wants to threaten Brexit supporters:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...f-big-business

I'm sure England alone can prosper without the EU, but what about the rest of the UK?

[Dan D]

Angst Referendum
Naughty boy David has started his fear campaign for Bremain already, if you follow him on Twitter

https://twitter.com/Number10gov/stat...73491827326976

https://twitter.com/Number10gov/stat...73880953942016

https://twitter.com/Number10gov/stat...40094769106949

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interesting read here imo with bit of UK-Europe and as well UK-EU history:
Britain is part of Europe- like it or not

"We are condemned to sink or swim together, Britain can leave the EU but it can't leave Europe as history has proven".

That is comforting.

[Skybird]

I expect better of an island that resisted Napoleon while the French dominated the whole continent. Or resisted Hitler while the Germans raped the whole continent.

Britain interacted with continental Europe. But it always stayed different, somewhat apart. after all its an island. And I think that this also forms a mentality, a habit, a way of life, a feeling, a certain kind of self-understanding. I know this island feeling myself: from the years when we lived in W-Berlin and it still had a wall around it.

Island form their own islander-mentality. And that must not automatically be something bad.

Cameron will not so much convince b reason and argument, but by fear. After all, he is playing for continuing his own career. And is his career not worth to see Great Britain being sacrificed to the EU? C'mon, its the big David. You know you owe it to him!

Originally Posted by Skybird

I expect better of an island that resisted Napoleon while the French dominated the whole continent. Or resisted Hitler while the Germans raped the whole continent.

Britain interacted with continental Europe. But it always stayed different, somewhat apart. after all its an island. And I think that this also forms a mentality, a habit, a way of life, a feeling, a certain kind of self-understanding. I know this island feeling myself: from the years when we lived in W-Berlin and it still had a wall around it.

Island form their own islander-mentality. And that must not automatically be something bad.

Cameron will not so much convince b reason and argument, but by fear. After all, he is playing for continuing his own career. And is his career not worth to see Great Britain being sacrificed to the EU? C'mon, its the big David. You know you owe it to him!

I'm glad to see your intimate knowledge about absolutely everything extends to Britishness as well. Perhaps you could tell me more, since my limited experience of the matter (only having lived here my whole life) is clearly lacking...

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Oberon

I think that's exactly the problem, Skybird talks about German romanticism, in the UK there's a sort of rose tinted spectacles about our nations past, in particular thinking that we're still the Britain of 1950-something and that the rest of the world gives two hoots about what we think or do as a single nation. There was once a time when British and German industry could rival every other nation in the world on its own, when our only rivals were each other, but now Britain has no industry, because any industry we did have just couldn't operate at a profit in the current market. So we rely on tertiary industry, with our farming industry pretty much reliant on EU subsidies for survival (which is something that no-one has mentioned in this whole referendum talk yet) and our manufacturing industry greatly reduced and mostly building stuff for overseas companies.
Quite how people think the UK can stay relevant outside of the Eurozone I really don't know, a lot of our profit has been made from being Americas gateway into the zone, but nationalistic pride will always triumph over common sense.


I think they're waiting to see what we do...I think the Dutch are being pushed for one, if we leave chances are that they will consider it.

You could always lobby to be the 51st state.
You still have Mississippi to boss around.

Then you too could have the pleasure of serving under President Trump.

[Catfish]

^ Link above did not work properly for me, did you mean this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...outh-East.html


Even if heavy industry and other has been neglected, London still is Europe's financial center. I don't think they would leave in case the Uk stepped out of the EU. Also the british economy is recovering, if slowly. Telegraph and Guardian desribe the current situation as "the best time ever".

If you look at Switzerland being entirely neutral, it still buys and sells and its economy is strong without being in the EU, the recent uncoupling of the Schweizer Fraenkli from the Euro has only strengthened the swiss currency. Backdrop is of cours that swiss products are now too expensive for all others, and foreign investors begin to hold back.
I am not an economical sage to judge whether this is good or bad in the long run, or if such development would happen in a Brexit-UK as well.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

You could always lobby to be the 51st state.
You still have Mississippi to boss around.

Then you too could have the pleasure of serving under President Trump.

I think we'll take this opportunity to relocate the home islands to the South Atlantic, just to annoy Argentina.

Meanwhile:

[Catfish]

^ lol But to late, for them..

I think we'll take this opportunity to relocate the home islands to the South Atlantic, just to annoy Argentina.

Maybe Germany could leave the EU and move to .. hmm .. to the Bismarck Islands?
Oops, now New Britain and New Ireland ..
Seems the world has already been partitioned, again