Just another botched execution...

[Oberon]

Well, I did suggest you stop, enjoy the inevitable infraction.

[Feuer Frei!]

Set myself up for a racial slur?
Riiiight.
Usual ignorant dribble from a non-German of course.
Shouldn't have expected much more than that.

Boring. Really boring.

If you can't come up with something a bit more imaginative than likening a German's stance on something to that of the Nazi era, then you should really look at your debating skills.
And you advertise your viewpoint on the subject of lethal injections as barbaric.
Inhumane.

Yet you have no hesitation in a ethnic slur.

Next time you want to debate something, leave the racial undertones out of it.

It would actually make you look a little more diplomatic and civilized.

Diplomacy goes a long way.

What a cruel, inhumane, brutish, uncivilized, vicious way to debate something.

Notice those definitions?

You should.


I'm done before i get an infraction for debating a subject, being subjected to a ethnic slur, defending that ethnic slur and happy to continue debating on the ethics of lethal injections, all within the bounds of the rules of this forum.

Set myself up for a racial slur?

A political slur.

Riiiight.
Usual ignorant dribble from a non-German of course.
Shouldn't have expected much more than that.

That's a racial slur, it is based on nationality or ethnic origin

If you can't come up with something a bit more imaginative than likening a German's stance on something to that of the Nazi era, then you should really look at your debating skills.

There are two well known examples from the 20th century of what you advocate, I mentioned both.

And you advertise your viewpoint on the subject of lethal injections as barbaric.

Barbaric is the term for these experiments, inhumane, uncivilised.
Heinous criminals is what the medical practitioners who conducted them were called.

Yet you have no hesitation in a ethnic slur.

Political slur.

Next time you want to debate something, leave the racial undertones out of it.

Political undertones.
You advanced one angle by wishing to categorise some humans as not humans, there is a political movement which did that, they were the ones doing the experiments at Buchenwald.

[Feuer Frei!]

Well, i thought that maybe your definition of barbaric was askew.
Now it seems another definition is also askew.

Political slur

So you're mudslinging then?

The spotlighting of lethal injection executions is bs.

Even moreso when the voices of the moral crusaders say that the death of a convicted murderer, or worse, is a tragedy.

The deaths and suffering of victims is too easy to ignore.

What a joke.
Are you anti-death penalty full stop?
Or just anti-lethal injection?
That's a serious, unloaded question.

I ask again:
a clenched fist, wheezing, chest raising up, snoring, gasping, heart failure, are these symptoms of the botched, i repeat, botched executions, barbaric?
If you answered yes, then there really is no hope in continuing the debate on this with you.
Stay on the EU's moral high horse, they welcome you with open arms i'm sure.
Another supporter to their delusional cause
The more the merrier right?

If you liken the lethal injection executions to that of 'experiments at Buchenwald then you really need to take a deep breath, grab yourself a glass of something potent and re-think your comparison.

You have some strange ideas about what barbaric is.

Buchenwald and a botched lethal injection.

Makes for some difficult decisions in attempting to compare the two doesn't it?



I will add:

Why these controls have been put in place and background about UK national controls on drugs used for lethal injection

The UK opposes the death penalty in all circumstances as a matter of principle and has led the way in introducing controls in this area. The UK originally imposed a national control on the export to the USA of sodium thiopental in November 2010. These controls were subsequently extended in 2011 to include controls on a further 3 drugs potentially used in execution by lethal injection - namely: potassium chloride, pancuronium bromide and sodium pentobarbital. At the same time, the UK has also been actively urging the EU Commission to implement an EU-wide control on the export of drugs used for lethal injection.

The EU-wide measures have been introduced collectively in order to ensure that controls imposed by individual EU member states can’t be circumvented by the movement of drugs across the EU. These measures will also help UK exporters competing against others.

The EU regulation supersedes the original UK measures taken to introduce national controls on drugs used for lethal injection in the United States, insofar as they apply to sodium thiopental and pentobarbital. The national controls on export to the USA of pancuronium bromide and potassium chloride remain in force.

wikilink i think.

Seems the UK is your biggest ally

God bless them then.
They are doing the Lord's work then.


A matter of principle eh?

Same for you then i take it?

Well, i thought that maybe your definition of barbaric was askew.
Now it seems another definition is also askew.

Political slur

Yes a political slur, your location is irrelevant.
Did you complain that I was comparing you to Imperial Japan operating medical experimentation in Manchuria?
Did I slur you for being Japanese?
Neither did I slur you for being German.
Simple isn't it.

So you're mudslinging then?

No it is putting your views in a historical context.
You were invited to provide any other clinical studies.
Unsurprisingly you were unable so you are stuck with Buchenwald and 731.

The spotlighting of lethal injection executions is bs.

the topic is lethal injections, more specifcly the topic is ballsed up lethal injections.
If the topic is bs then don't participate.

Even moreso when the voices of the moral crusaders say that the death of a convicted murderer, or worse, is a tragedy.

....fatal medical experimentation on humans, get it yet?
You still don't get it, that is why you are getting nowhere and instead are building strawmen.

I ask again:
a clenched fist, wheezing, chest raising up, snoring, gasping, heart failure, are these symptoms of the botched, i repeat, botched executions, barbaric?

Lets see. Harvard medical school they would be experts wouldn't they.
Failed medical experiments which it would be irresponsible to continue
Irresponsibly continuing failed lethal medical experiments is barbaric isn't it.
Columbia University. A third of these experiments have failed. This is clearly a failed medical experiment.
Continuing failed medical experimentation with lethal consequences is barbaric.
John Hopkins University and Stanford . These practitioners are clearly unqualified and the proceedures are incorrect.
Conducting fatal medical experiments using unqualified staff and incorrect proceedures is certainly barbaric.

Stay on the EU's moral high horse, they welcome you with open arms i'm sure.

Oh sorry, those were all leading US medical faculties I just mentioned.

If you liken the lethal injection executions to that of 'experiments at Buchenwald then you really need to take a deep breath, grab yourself a glass of something potent and re-think your comparison.

Once again, if you can provide any other clinical studies please do so.
If you cannot then you are stuck with comparisons to 731 and Buchenwald.
If you are uncomfortable with the comparisons and are unable to provide other clinical studies then perhaps your discomfort is telling you something about the nature of your position.

I will add:

How many words from your definition of "barbaric" are included in the legislation?

[Oberon]

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

Right, because life in prison is so awesome, they're gonna have a ball and say "let's kill even more people!".

Pretty sure it's not how it works.

If you wanna bring numbers of homicides down, fix your society instead of experimenting with death-cocktails.

Hi Nips, first I wanna apologize for being less cordial than I should be. My lame excuse, when my side of the discussion is framed as "barbaric, Medieval, and stupid", I tend to get cranky. Plus, I am touchy to the "I expected you were smarter than that" approach. Truth is, I probably am not smarter than that, but I can live with that.

Sure, prison is not a paradise, but having visited a prison as a guest, I don't think it's harsh and punitive--TV, activities, light work detail: many of the inmates have a similar life outside of prison. It's not a hell on earth.

Fix our society? We can't. Half of the population here is squishy liberal (of which includes opponents to the death penalty, btw), soft on crime, and feels the solution is to help the criminals and welfare class with more handouts and less accountability. Why do criminals become criminals? According to liberals, the "disadvantaged" didn't get the help they need in life. So lets tax the working class more, so we can provide for them. Probably we need a program where every taxpayer is assigned an underprivileged citizen to mentor, feed, and guide through life.

We're not going to fix anything, there is no fix. When hurricane Katrina kicked New Orleans in the teeth, Texans reached out and brought in 30,000 people, housed them and helped them. Now Houston crime has gone crazy, thanks for that.

Ah, another headline: Carjackers run over, kill 3 kids in Philadelphia
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/26/us/phi...html?hpt=hp_t2

And the worst thing they have to look forward to: a long life in a small room, where they can read to their heart's content. That's what I call retirement.

[Oberon]

Liberal really is a swear word over there, isn't it?

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Liberal really is a swear word over there, isn't it?

It generally means having a different opinion.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Platapus

It generally means having a different opinion.

It just makes me sad, the hatred between the left and right in America, if I'm honest. Not that it's much better in Europe, but it seems louder in America.

It just makes me sad, the hatred between the left and right in America, if I'm honest.

Look on the bright side, from a European perspective its more like hatred between the right and the right

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Look on the bright side, from a European perspective its more like hatred between the right and the right

There is that.

[Buddahaid]

I'm sure it looks that way from a media perspective. You watch the news after an earthquake like the Loma Prieta one we had here and you'd think everyone was dead. From my perspective the solutions are always somewhere in between the dipole spouting of rhetoric, but compromise is viewed as being weak and a failure of policy so it's difficult to foster real solutions.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

but compromise is viewed as being weak and a failure of policy so it's difficult to foster real solutions.

And that is, if I had to put my finger on it, one of the biggest fatal flaws of the United States of America and one that's really going to bite it on the backside in the coming years.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by Oberon

And that is, if I had to put my finger on it, one of the biggest fatal flaws of the United States of America and one that's really going to bite it on the backside in the coming years.

It's pretty much been that way forever as far as I can tell. You find the same tired rhetoric in 90 year old newspapers.