"Affluenza" as a DUI defense...

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by August

I don't understand. You claim to be training to become a lawyer so why didn't you notice that there were six people killed/injured in the incident? Your boy has only stood trial for four of them.

What about the other two?

First of all, there is no claim, I am.Nice thinly veiled insult though.Second, my understanding was those charges were not being pursued, not it seems since didn't get the sentence they wanted, they are trying to pile it on.Third, he is not my boy.Like I just told Steve, just defending him against the knee jerk emotion based reaction to a perceived slap on the wrist.

[August]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

First of all, there is no claim, I am.Nice thinly veiled insult though.Second, my understanding was those charges were not being pursued, not it seems since didn't get the sentence they wanted, they are trying to pile it on.Third, he is not my boy.Like I just told Steve, just defending him against the knee jerk emotion based reaction to a perceived slap on the wrist.

No thinly veiled insult Bub. I have absolutely no proof that you are what you claim to be, but I can't fail to notice that you seem completely blindsided by a rather obvious possibility.

Now i'm nothing but an old shop teacher however even I know that just because those lesser charges weren't being pursued at the time it doesn't mean they wouldn't be taken up later on.

If you were this kids lawyer would you have been prepared for it?

[Wolferz]

Prosecutors are sneaky fellows.
They are just playing CYOA in response to the public outrage of a questionable sentence of what appears to be a shady judge.
She's not the first and definitely not the last.
Money talks and BS walks and all that rot.
Unless we are citizens of that jurisdiction, there's not much we can do about it.

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Being spoiled, entitled etc certainly played a role in things, but being a 16 year old, who like most do no fully understand the consequences etc of their actions.Does it excuse him? No, but should he go to prison for 20 years? Absolutely not.I explained why, that our prisons are about revenge and punishment, not punishment and rehabilitation and that no good would come out of him going to prison.

My understanding is that a person from the age of 13 is supposed to know the difference between right and wrong. So if a 16 year old who shouldn't be drinking in the first place gets himself stone dead drunk, kills four people, two more people are seriously injured as a result of his actions and he gets what can be considered a slap on the wrist for said actions how would you expect people to respond?

Chances are if this had happened with your "average joe", that person would of maybe gotten 3 days to 2 years or more in prison depending on the offence and the charges and that would of been the end of it, and in this case where a 16 year old is given 10 years probation and sent to a "rehab center" in California. The punishment doesn't fit the crime. Now I would agree that sending him to prison wouldn't do any good, the prison system in the country is broken and hasn't been fixed, and it probably won't be either. But instead of jail time shouldn't a different sentence of been handed down like community service?

These are the DUI laws of Texas according to DrivingLaws.org http://dui.drivinglaws.org/texas.php.
Now has Couch's driving license been revoked? As far as I know it has not.
Has he been placed imprisoned according to the State law? No, he has been sentenced to probation for 10 years.
Has he been fined according to State law? Not that I'm aware of.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

just defending him against the knee jerk emotion based reaction to a perceived slap on the wrist.

That's the second time you've used the phrase "knee-jerk". The phrase means to react in a predictable and automatic manner. Do you deny that this describes the vast majority of your own posts?

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Absolutely not.I explained why, that our prisons are about revenge and punishment, not punishment and rehabilitation and that no good would come out of him going to prison.

You explained why you think so, that doesn't make it so.

Show me evidence the judge was paid off? That is all "rich hatred" fueled speculation.

Now that is over an allegation of corruption, your denial without evidence carries no weight in regards that matter.
As for "rich hatred", that makes a huge blind assumption about a lot of peoples wealth.
I think part of your problem is your perception, you have this flawed view that the vast majority of people don't really see much wrong with drunk driving, I think you will find the vast majority of people think drunk drivers are stupid selfish criminal scum.

[TarJak]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Like I just told Steve, just defending him against the knee jerk emotion based reaction to a perceived slap on the wrist.

Was your comment that a drunk driver who caused a wreck should be punished, which I quoted a while back, an emotional knee jerk reaction from you?

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by TarJak

Was your comment that a drunk driver who caused a wreck should be punished, which I quoted a while back, an emotional knee jerk reaction from you?

No, my reaction was not knee jerk nor emotional, the facts of the incident were much simpler than the Couch case.Illegal immigrant, already breaking law by being here, illegally operated a motor vehicle, no license, no insurance, plus he was heavily intoxicated, crashed into my girlfriends vehicle, which we were in.Luckily, no one was seriously injured and her car will be ready tomorrow.

I was actually more angry about that fact it was an illegal who had no right to even be in this country.A lot of people drink and drive, some even when they are actually intoxicated, it's a risk you run getting on the road unfortunately but it angered me even more fact it was an illegal immigrant who put us at risk since if we had proper boarder security and immigration enforcement, he would not have been there to hit us.I would push for punishment etc if he was not an illegal but the illegal immigrant aspect is the part that grinds my gears.

[TarJak]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

No, my reaction was not knee jerk nor emotional, the facts of the incident were much simpler than the Couch case.Illegal immigrant, already breaking law by being here, illegally operated a motor vehicle, no license, no insurance, plus he was heavily intoxicated, crashed into my girlfriends vehicle, which we were in.Luckily, no one was seriously injured and her car will be ready tomorrow.

I was actually more angry about that fact it was an illegal who had no right to even be in this country.A lot of people drink and drive, some even when they are actually intoxicated, it's a risk you run getting on the road unfortunately but it angered me even more fact it was an illegal immigrant who put us at risk since if we had proper boarder security and immigration enforcement, he would not have been there to hit us.I would push for punishment etc if he was not an illegal but the illegal immigrant aspect is the part that grinds my gears.

Interesting, because the quote I'm talking about was posted a full month prior to the thread on your illegal immigrant incident was started. Remember the one where you said drivers should be able to drink and drive with impunity unless they actually cause a wreck?

Here is the quote again:

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Someone causes a wreck and is actually drunk, okay they deserve punishment,

Your responses appear to be inconsistent.

Originally Posted by TarJak

Interesting, because the quote I'm talking about was posted a full month prior to the thread on your illegal immigrant incident was started. Remember the one where you said drivers should be able to drink and drive with impunity unless they actually cause a wreck?

Here is the quote again:


Your responses appear to be inconsistent.

Now that's just sneaky

Bubbles how can you say you were not emotional when you say you were angry?

[TarJak]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Now that's just sneaky

Bubbles how can you say you were not emotional when you say you were angry?

Nothing sneaky at all. I've already posted the same quote twice in this thread so I assumed it would be superredundant posting a 3rd time.

I'm more interested in what's wrong with being emotional? I know I am. IMHO its a major part of being human. It certainly doesn't mean that I don't think about my responses.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Now that's just sneaky

Bubbles how can you say you were not emotional when you say you were angry?

Lol you guys amuse me, you are true liberals, love to take things out of context and try to muddy the waters of the argument. Initially I was angry, sure, like most would be, but the anger has subsided mostly, it creeps in now and then but overall not emotional over this.Now, the concern is over the broken immigration system and how it is a danger to us all, it just happened to hit close to home this time. The knee jerk emotional reaction to the couch case is the "hang em high" attitude so many have demonstrated, claiming he should go to prison, invoking the tired old "what about the victims families?" line.While I absolutely feel for them, their need for vengeance does not outweigh the appropriate punishment for Couch. Like I have said, sending him to prison accomplishes nothing and in the long run, will just cause more harm than good.

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

more harm than good

I'm all for that after haveing a home invasion that sent my Step son and his friend to hospitals.
Put this chunk of crap away!

As a side comment............
I also only have your word (bubbles) as to the Lawyer stuff.
I can say You shift your views like all the ones I did work very closely with back a few years ago.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Lol you guys amuse me, you are true liberals, love to take things out of context and try to muddy the waters of the argument.

I notice you completely ignored my little post. Am I a true liberal?

[TarJak]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Lol you guys amuse me, you are true liberals, love to take things out of context and try to muddy the waters of the argument.

Can't help it if you are tripping over your own words. The mud is coming from your own shoes.