Syria conflict: 'Chemical attacks kill hundreds' - Page 6

Jimbuna · 08-25-13, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MH

Its been five days.
Enough time to put on some little show like this Saudis supplied chemicals for example .

"made in S.A" lol.
Who ever wants evidence already has it the rest is just a show.

I suspect you may well be right

Feuer Frei! · 08-25-13, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Should I trust my ears here?

You should:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23833912

As for your qstn of when: Monday. Source above.

Jimbuna · 08-26-13, 04:35 AM

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UK Foreign Secretary William Hague warned that evidence could have been tampered with, degraded or destroyed in the five days since the attack.

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"Much of the evidence could have been destroyed by... artillery bombardment; other evidence could have become degraded over the last few days, and other evidence could have been tampered with," he said.

Most likely IMHO.

Oberon · 08-26-13, 06:24 AM

Well, the drums are beating. The papers this morning were giving it at fortnight at least. Missiles and airstrikes.
Dave is cutting short his holiday and coming back to the UK for a meeting with the National Security Council. Hague has stated that 'Diplomacy has failed' and that the UNSC has not 'shouldered its responsibilities'.
So, basically the clock has been started.

08-26-13, 07:36 AM

UN inspectors start out to check the sites and end up turning back as the lead vehicle is shot up by "unknown snipers" ,funny that...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-2...-syria/4912532

Dowly · 08-26-13, 07:48 AM

Playing for time, but which side?

Feuer Frei! · 08-26-13, 08:10 AM

Highly doubtful air strikes will occur. Syria has actually a pretty sophisticated air defense.
Unlike Libya.

The US had it fairly easy there.

The French and British may assist.

The rest? No shows.

And Iran will assist Syria of course.

My prediction: Guided missile attacks, targeting air fields and other strategic points.

EDIT: And let's not forget us public opinion. 60% of US Citizens are against any military intervention by the US.

The big O would have to do some big magic to start military action.

mapuc · 08-26-13, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

Highly doubtful air strikes will occur. Syria has actually a pretty sophisticated air defense.
Unlike Libya.

The US had it fairly easy there.

The French and British may assist.

The rest? No shows.

And Iran will assist Syria of course.

My prediction: Guided missile attacks, targeting air fields and other strategic points.

Here in Denmark, they are talking about sending two (can't remember the name of it) 6+6 F-16 to assisst. Guess it's going to be less than these 12 plane.

I'm afraid that Syria is going to attack Israel or Turkey.

Markus

BossMark · 08-26-13, 08:22 AM

And here is how it could end

Alex · 08-26-13, 08:28 AM

Looks like Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse didn't pay enough, the civilian thinking is just willing to bring peace through war yet again.

By the way, what do the united states of America have to gain in that ? Who's really about to enjoy the destruction of this great Arab state Syria is ? And later Iran's ?

Nooooooooooo ! Let me out of that please. I didn't say anything anyway.

Jimbuna · 08-26-13, 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc

Here in Denmark, they are talking about sending two (can't remember the name of it) 6+6 F-16 to assisst. Guess it's going to be less than these 12 plane.

I'm afraid that Syria is going to attack Israel or Turkey.

Markus

If Syria were to be so foolish it would be the beginning of a swift end game resolution.

I think Assad has enough on his plate within his own country atm.

MH · 08-26-13, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex

Looks like Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse didn't pay enough, the civilian thinking is just willing to bring peace through war yet again.

By the way, what do the united states of America have to gain in that ? Who's really about to enjoy the destruction of this great Arab state Syria is ? And later Iran's ?

Nooooooooooo ! Let me out of that please. I didn't say anything anyway.

Great arab state indeed.

Very caring guy you are , worrying about well being of its citizens lol.
How much one can be hypocrite to rationalise the fantasies.

No you did not lol.

Sailor Steve · 08-26-13, 09:48 AM

A little more discussion and a little less name-calling, please.

Skybird · 08-26-13, 10:06 AM

I miss a clear definition of what should be achieved by a military strike, what the military objective is, and how to pull out of the situation once the objective has been achieved or can no longer be achieved.

I see only one objective that could justify to invest tens and hundreds of millions and more of our taxes and to put our warriors at risk: destroying as many of Syria'S chemical weapons arsenals (and biological weapons if they have them) as well as destroying their means to produce them, as well as destroying Iran's weapons deliveries and Hezbollah's stockpiles of missiles, because both actors could assist Assad by turning against Israel.

Obviously that is a relatively advanced and complex, longer lasting air campaign I am talking about. Sending some dozen Tomahawks over one or two days and leave it to that, is just a useless symbolic act achieving not much. It serves the calming of western bad consciousnesses. In other words: it is "Gefühlsduselei".

But some may feel great when the loud Booms! and bright lights start again. "Look, at least we did something, we tried!" - Who cares for what the attempt is worth, as long as it is the shine only that counts!?

BTW, the majority, a very robust majority of Syrians wanmt a Sharia-.based state and support racism, antisemitism and medieval punsihement for crimes. What do we owe them to help them bringing these wonderful things into power in Syria, eh? We owe them nothing.

Syria itself is not worth a single Western soldier's life. Take the chemical and biological weapons out, for that is our interest indeed, and leave it to that. Once the objective has been accomplished, get out.

And send the bill to Saudi Arabia. The money you save them from paying is money they are free to pump into the missionising of Europe. Tell them to stop that and help their precious beloved wonderful Muslim brothers and female halflings instead.

August · 08-26-13, 10:20 AM

Forget your commando raids.

To eliminate Syria's chemical weapons capability would require a full scale invasion and thorough search of the country. We're not talking about a single building that can be destroyed by a cruise missile or two.

It is munitions dumps and research facilities and assembly plants, many widely flung and probably no more pinpointed than Saddam's stockpiles were. It ain't like they advertize where they keep all off this stuff.

No this would have to be on the scale of the Iraq war to be successful. Anything less would be just useless posturing.

08-26-13, 08:10 AM	#82
Feuer Frei! Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Valhalla Posts: 5,295 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 17	Highly doubtful air strikes will occur. Syria has actually a pretty sophisticated air defense. Unlike Libya. The US had it fairly easy there. The French and British may assist. The rest? No shows. And Iran will assist Syria of course. My prediction: Guided missile attacks, targeting air fields and other strategic points. EDIT: And let's not forget us public opinion. 60% of US Citizens are against any military intervention by the US. The big O would have to do some big magic to start military action. __________________ "History is the lies that the victors agree on"- Napoleon LINK TO MY SH 3 MODS

08-26-13, 08:22 AM	#84
BossMark Fleet Admiral Join Date: May 2011 Location: Leeds, West Yorkshire Posts: 15,272 Downloads: 278 Uploads: 0	And here is how it could end __________________ Never trust the Tories look what Thatcher and Major did in the 80s and 90s and look what the wicked witch May is doing now doing now

08-26-13, 08:28 AM	#85
Alex Dominant Wolf Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,143 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	Looks like Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse didn't pay enough, the civilian thinking is just willing to bring peace through war yet again. By the way, what do the united states of America have to gain in that ? Who's really about to enjoy the destruction of this great Arab state Syria is ? And later Iran's ? Nooooooooooo ! Let me out of that please. I didn't say anything anyway. __________________

08-26-13, 09:48 AM	#88
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	A little more discussion and a little less name-calling, please. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

08-26-13, 10:06 AM	#89
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,620 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I miss a clear definition of what should be achieved by a military strike, what the military objective is, and how to pull out of the situation once the objective has been achieved or can no longer be achieved. I see only one objective that could justify to invest tens and hundreds of millions and more of our taxes and to put our warriors at risk: destroying as many of Syria'S chemical weapons arsenals (and biological weapons if they have them) as well as destroying their means to produce them, as well as destroying Iran's weapons deliveries and Hezbollah's stockpiles of missiles, because both actors could assist Assad by turning against Israel. Obviously that is a relatively advanced and complex, longer lasting air campaign I am talking about. Sending some dozen Tomahawks over one or two days and leave it to that, is just a useless symbolic act achieving not much. It serves the calming of western bad consciousnesses. In other words: it is "Gefühlsduselei". But some may feel great when the loud Booms! and bright lights start again. "Look, at least we did something, we tried!" - Who cares for what the attempt is worth, as long as it is the shine only that counts!? BTW, the majority, a very robust majority of Syrians wanmt a Sharia-.based state and support racism, antisemitism and medieval punsihement for crimes. What do we owe them to help them bringing these wonderful things into power in Syria, eh? We owe them nothing. Syria itself is not worth a single Western soldier's life. Take the chemical and biological weapons out, for that is our interest indeed, and leave it to that. Once the objective has been accomplished, get out. And send the bill to Saudi Arabia. The money you save them from paying is money they are free to pump into the missionising of Europe. Tell them to stop that and help their precious beloved wonderful Muslim brothers and female halflings instead. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

08-26-13, 06:24 AM	#79
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Well, the drums are beating. The papers this morning were giving it at fortnight at least. Missiles and airstrikes. Dave is cutting short his holiday and coming back to the UK for a meeting with the National Security Council. Hague has stated that 'Diplomacy has failed' and that the UNSC has not 'shouldered its responsibilities'. So, basically the clock has been started.

08-26-13, 07:36 AM	#80
darius359au Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	UN inspectors start out to check the sites and end up turning back as the lead vehicle is shot up by "unknown snipers" ,funny that... http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-2...-syria/4912532

08-26-13, 07:48 AM	#81
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,052 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Playing for time, but which side?

08-26-13, 10:20 AM	#90
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,197 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Forget your commando raids. To eliminate Syria's chemical weapons capability would require a full scale invasion and thorough search of the country. We're not talking about a single building that can be destroyed by a cruise missile or two. It is munitions dumps and research facilities and assembly plants, many widely flung and probably no more pinpointed than Saddam's stockpiles were. It ain't like they advertize where they keep all off this stuff. No this would have to be on the scale of the Iraq war to be successful. Anything less would be just useless posturing. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.