What is the world coming to... (Attack on US Embassy)

[Kaye T. Bai]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Some one postet this on his wall. I do not know if it really have happened

I remember this incident. The Iranians told the USMC F/A-18 that they were sending up an IRIAF F-14 and he skedaddled.

Just kidding, personally I think its too good to be true, but who knows?

Originally Posted by Oberon

For each side there is always another side.

I appluad them. But, unfortunately proper blokes like these are in the minority.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Some one postet this on his wall. I do not know if it really have happened



Markus

It is fake no US military pilot would give that response even though they might want to.It is also a very old story been floating around since at least 2008.


Also 121.5 MHz is used for international distress such a conversation would never occur on that frequency.

Iran did routinely challenge US military aircraft in Iraqi air space though the "discussion" would not have gone down like that.

[Kaye T. Bai]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

It is fake no U.S. military pilot would give that response even though they might want to. Also 121.5 MHz is used for international distress such a conversation would never occur on that frequency.

Well, there you have it!

[Stealhead]

Many US Embassies do have a version of the claymore mine that is loaded with soft rubber balls to make a crowd disperse.Think of a sting ball grenade on steroids.

[Stealhead]

Many US Embassies do have a version of the claymore mine that is loaded with soft rubber balls to make a crowd disperse.Think of a sting ball grenade on steroids. Johnny Knoxville demonstrates:little bit of language.


Change the language to Arabic you get the idea.

[soopaman2]

I am not surprised.

They danced as the Twin Towers fell. This was their version of Americas 4th of July fireworks, the greatest thing they ever accomplished. Why would they not celebrate it in grand fashion?

No need no need to get into the mind of heathens. Why did Dahmer eat people. Why did Mcveigh kill Americans? Why did Carter let the Shah be overthrown? Why did Guido Fawkes try to bomb parliament?

The best thing we can do is leave these savages be. With their archaic religious sharia laws, they will wipe each other out within 200 years, once they stop trying to fight the outside, they will turn inwards.

Not specific to Muslims either, it is human animalistic nature to do so. (Right America?)

But as long as there is an external enemy to put priority on, there will never be any internal examination.

Maybe that is why America starts so many wars? I am changing my opinion..Nah.

Humans are crap in general.

KILL IRAN Right Mitt? Yeah man I am with ya.

[yubba]

Damn, soopaman you're going to blow a head gasket, you need to tell that to, this administration that can't say it's an act of terrorism, or there are islamic extremist that will do us harm, and why the hell are the Marines disarmed at these embassies by the state department.????? Mr President hows that arab spring workin out for you....?????

[eddie]

Originally Posted by yubba

Damn, soopaman you're going to blow a head gasket, you need to tell that to, this administration that can't say it's an act of terrorism, or there are islamic extremist that will do us harm, and why the hell are the Marines disarmed at these embassies by the state department.????? Mr President hows that arab spring workin out for you....?????

Working out as well as when Ronald Reagan (the Moral Values, God lovin' Republican President, who projected the U.S. Military might around the world,lol) sent the Marines into Beirut, and got 200 of them killed in one mighty blast!

Then he sent the US Navy into the eastern Med, had them attack the Bekaa Valley, blowin' hole in farmers field, uprooting trees and killing goats! Damn, he sure showed them who was in charge,LMAO!

[yubba]

Originally Posted by eddie

Working out as well as when Ronald Reagan (the Moral Values, God lovin' Republican President, who projected the U.S. Military might around the world,lol) sent the Marines into Beirut, and got 200 of them killed in one mighty blast!

Yeah we haven't learned a damn thing have we, I knew 30 of those 200 but I think it was closer to 300, they belonged to Comm company 8th engineers support bn 2nd fssg. they lived in the building next to mine, they never came home, we bugged out in 24 hrs and ended up in Gitmo just in time for that Garnada thing. At least Ronnie was, no head bowing, apolojetic commie. You want to live in a free country there's a high price too pay, freedom doesn't come cheap, I don't believe we should pay tribute, or kiss anyones feet like this present administration does and they even booed god so how's that for morality, it was this mambi pambi weak knee-ed liberal clap trap from both sides of the aisle that got us in this mess in the first place. I'm a AMERICAN and I'm tired of being sorry, it's time to do what we do best and that is piss people off because we are a free people..

[1480]

Even more disgusting developments. The film was made by a convicted drug trafficker who is a coptic christain:

http://www.seattlepi.com/news/articl...lm-3860315.php

Thought homosexuality was a crime against Allah, reports are saying the ambassador was raped before he was killed:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/...EHLVQ0.twitter

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by yubba

it was this mambi pambi weak knee-ed liberal clap trap from both sides of the aisle that got us in this mess in the first place.

No, it was this gung-ho let's go build nations and 'spread democracy' across the Middle East that we've being doing since the 50's that put us in this mess. We had no business getting involved in this in the first place, and each time the only thing that we do is empower the very people that we are trying to keep out of power. The purpose of foreign policy is to ultimately secure our own interests. Clearly this is not happening, which leads me to your next sentence.

I'm a AMERICAN and I'm tired of being sorry, it's time to do what we do best and that is piss people off because we are a free people..

So our military involvement in these affairs has palced us in this position, and you feel that the solution will be more military involvement? It hasn't worked so far. Where should we invade? Libya and Egypt? Iran? Pakistan? Horn of Africa? It is hubris that brought us to this brink, and it seems as though this same hubris with drive us over it.

You are correct that continuing our current direction in foreign policy ('democracy spreading') will lead to our ruin. However, going to full-scale war will lead to the same ruin, only much, much sooner.

[mookiemookie]

Apparently to some people "not acting like a bully and bombing the crap out of everyone we disagree with" is the same as "apologizing."

it's time to do what we do best and that is piss people off because we are a free people..

It's this kind of attitude that's just idiotic. The U.S. doesn't have some monopoly on freedom. It doesn't give us the right to "piss people off". Pissing people off is what's got us into this mess and drained this nation of blood and treasure. It's attitudes like this that are ruining this country. yubs, you deserve every bit of condemnation and mockery thrown your way.

Even more disgusting developments. The film was made by a convicted drug trafficker who is a coptic christain:

So you have some far right extremist "christians" pushing their sick agenda while claiming to be jews with Israeli financing.
The real names that keep cropping up lead to some of Skybirds greatest "oh no its the muslims" links, namely the "oh dear them ******s and muslims do be ruining soccer" one and the ""christian"/sikh terrorist supporters club" at prophet of doom.
As there is no free speech without consequences and people must be responsible for the consequences of their actions and since there seems to be a clearly definable agenda from these lunatics I think that puts Skybirds "academic sources" pretty much in the same field as the mobs in the middle east and the crazy imans spurring them on.

What you, guys live under a rock, who said the war on terror was over

Yubba.
If you get the actual story without going through crazy conspiracy Beck at the blaze or Jones at the loony prison planet you might possibly understand why it is you who is living under a rock.
If you look at what has been said widely about the "war on terror" ever since the sillyness of a catchphase was dreamt up you may even possibly understand something very basic.
To put it really simply so maybe even you can get it. How can something be over if it has never actually existed?

Yeah we haven't learned a damn thing have we

Indeed , to take your example , you propped up a dodgy government that was being run for someone elses benefit, then you stepped in again to prop up the dodgy government and ensure the "democracy" of minority rule, then you stepped in again to try and prop up the dodgy government and minority rule and welcomed a neighbouring brutal dictatorship as a friendly stabilising force then got blown to hell ran away and left the mess which persiststo this day but you are now confused as to wha to do about the crazy neighbouring dictator as the "stability" they bring as your buddy tends to blow up really big in the end.
You yubba really very clearly havn't leared a damn thing about even the basics which you like to rant about.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

No, it was this gung-ho let's go build nations and 'spread democracy' across the Middle East that we've being doing since the 50's that put us in this mess. We had no business getting involved in this in the first place, and each time the only thing that we do is empower the very people that we are trying to keep out of power. The purpose of foreign policy is to ultimately secure our own interests. Clearly this is not happening, which leads me to your next sentence.

So our military involvement in these affairs has palced us in this position, and you feel that the solution will be more military involvement? It hasn't worked so far. Where should we invade? Libya and Egypt? Iran? Pakistan? Horn of Africa? It is hubris that brought us to this brink, and it seems as though this same hubris with drive us over it.

You are correct that continuing our current direction in foreign policy ('democracy spreading') will lead to our ruin. However, going to full-scale war will lead to the same ruin, only much, much sooner.

Hm, while partially agreeing, I think you leave out one imporant, maybe the decisive, perspective.

America under Obama has given the impression to act and behave weak towards the challenges set up by Islam due to its very own ideological drive with which Wetsern actions have nothign to do - it is build-in. Obama and Clinton are two great appeasers, it started with Obama'S unbelievable Cairo speech.

At the same time the Salafists gained influence throughout the Musli world - and in the EU as well. The Salafists are even more uncomprised and "radical" than is the Muslim broitherhood. Here in germany they have been enagged in clashes with the police that left dozens of policemen injured, several ones serious. They run a big campaign currently and want freeely distrirbute a Quranm to every hpousehold. Our intel community rates them as extremely dangerous and hostile towards the constitutional order of this state.

These Salafists have become the dominant power behind and sometimes before the stage curtains in Libya and Egypt. And - surprise, surprise - they are very close to Al Quaeda.

The riots of the past days have been staged, and much seems to point at the Salafists behind it. As a German paper yesterday commented, this offensive of theirs has been motivated by an America saoftspoeaking towardsa the Idsolamic drives in the region, and giving the picture of an actor in decline, falling into weakness.

The American empire - and that includes the West - now has reached the historical phase of suffering from a state of overstretched. This indicates a decline indeed. Defence ideally must take place on so many more levels than what the productivity of this empire can support, and I do not mean that militarily only. It also means ideals ansd values, claims, diplomatic influence, economic influence, and last but not least: money. And lket'ÄS face it: if your allies in the world still depend onthe enemy's oil and yourself has a stellar ammount of debts that is now as high or hiogher than your yearls GNP, then your options are limited. you have ended up in a state of being overstretched.

Next station: collapse. Could still be years or decades away, a time in which there will be stealthy erosion from the inside, but the next stationin the historical life-cycle of an already overstretched empire is collapse. Just remember how sudden and quickly it all went down the drain for the Soviet Union in 1989 - 1991: quick, fast, irresistable.

Isolationism is no option here to reorganise America. The links to the outside world are too intense, the dependencies too vital, the mutual financial and economic interactions too inextricable as that this could be tried without even accelerating the fall.

Don't expect help from EUristan - we are already too occupied with pushing forward our own self-deconstruction as if we could lend you a hand in assisting yours.

[yubba]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

No, it was this gung-ho let's go build nations and 'spread democracy' across the Middle East that we've being doing since the 50's that put us in this mess. We had no business getting involved in this in the first place, and each time the only thing that we do is empower the very people that we are trying to keep out of power. The purpose of foreign policy is to ultimately secure our own interests. Clearly this is not happening, which leads me to your next sentence.

So why is Obama and his crew so gung ho to spread democracy across the the middle east, ain't this his arab spring,????

So our military involvement in these affairs has palced us in this position, and you feel that the solution will be more military involvement? It hasn't worked so far. Where should we invade? Libya and Egypt? Iran? Pakistan? Horn of Africa? It is hubris that brought us to this brink, and it seems as though this same hubris with drive us over it.

You know what I'm tired of you putting words in my mouth, I find it quite offencesive, I have never backed the involvement of our military in the middle east and if I did say anything it was that we should fight to win or get out, If you have a problem with us being in the middle east you need to take it up with the present administration, attacking me is not going to solve anything, because this administration has seem to have doubled down on the policies of previous administration Obama liked what Bush done he doubled down on what Bush did.

{{You are correct that continuing our current direction in foreign policy ('democracy spreading') will lead to our ruin. However, going to full-scale war will lead to the same ruin, only much, much sooner.[/QUOTE]}}}}


You need to find where I said that we should go to full scale war with anybody except this present administration, like I said it's Obamas arab spring. you voted for the guy live with it. this is Obamas mess he's the man in charge. Obama spiked the ball on the killing of Bin ladin and others what do you expect to happen on 9/11