Sharon Bialek accuses Herman Cain of groping her

[AVGWarhawk]

I think that I have adequately demonstrated that the association with minors is, in fact, the overall public perception.

Statistical proof is in the pudding.

[August]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Depends on which legal troubles you're referring to. The Monica Lewinsky case? Yeah, that was a witch hunt and I could have said as much on these boards in the past. I don't remember. It's also irrelevant to the matter at hand as it was also consensual sex.

Well a lot of people tried to make it out to be about that but no it wasn't about consensual sex. It was about lying under oath in a court of law.

The sexual harassment cases? Never said anything about them. But i'm sure he did it and that makes him as big a scumbag as Cain.

Here we can agree. To keep my vote Cain needed to come clean. Instead he pulled a Bill Clinton. Remember him wagging his finger in Americas face on TV self righteously lying through his teeth? To me that's as bad as perjury.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by August

Well a lot of people tried to make it out to be about that but no it wasn't about consensual sex. It was about lying under oath in a court of law.

No, it was about lying under oath to Congress, which is different, especially for the president. He was impeached for that very thing, and the impeachment failed. End of story. Had the impeachment succeeded, he could then have been put on trial, and if convicted fined and/or imprisoned.

Here we can agree. To keep my vote Cain needed to come clean. Instead he pulled a Bill Clinton. Remember him wagging his finger in Americas face on TV self righteously lying through his teeth? To me that's as bad as perjury.

And here I agree as well. The court in this case is the voter, and while voters can't remove someone from office they can certainly keep him from getting in.

[August]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

No, it was about lying under oath to Congress, which is different, especially for the president. He was impeached for that very thing, and the impeachment failed. End of story. Had the impeachment succeeded, he could then have been put on trial, and if convicted fined and/or imprisoned.

Actually it was the other way around. He was fined and while not imprisoned he was disbarred.

In his deposition for the Jones lawsuit, Clinton denied having "sexual relations" with Lewinsky. Based on the evidence provided by Tripp, a blue dress with Clinton's semen, Starr concluded that this sworn testimony was false and perjurious. During the deposition, Clinton was asked "Have you ever had sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky, as that term is defined in Deposition Exhibit 1, as modified by the Court?" The judge ordered that Clinton be given an opportunity to review the agreed definition. Afterwards, based on the definition created by the Independent Counsel's Office, Clinton answered "I have never had sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky." Clinton later stated, "I thought the definition included any activity by [me], where [I] was the actor and came in contact with those parts of the bodies" which had been explicitly listed (and "with an intent to gratify or arouse the sexual desire of any person"). In other words, Clinton denied that he had ever contacted Lewinsky's "genitalia, anus, groin, breast, inner thigh, or buttocks", and effectively claimed that the agreed-upon definition of "sexual relations" included giving oral sex but excluded receiving oral sex.[24]
Two months after the Senate failed to convict him, President Clinton was held in civil contempt of court by Judge Susan D. Webber Wright.[25] His license to practice law was suspended in Arkansas for five years and later by the United States Supreme Court.[26] He was also fined $90,000 for giving false testimony.[27]

[1480]

The media is using this as obfuscation so no will pay attention to what could be potentially the downfall of this administration. Attorney General is being set up to commit perjury, if that hasn't already been established.

Yet a guy may or may not have said "nice azz toots" and its front page. Un-efffing real. And who says the media is not in bed with Obama

[AVGWarhawk]

To keep my vote Cain needed to come clean. Instead he pulled a Bill Clinton. Remember him wagging his finger in Americas face on TV self righteously lying through his teeth? To me that's as bad as perjury.

The crap is coming out of the woodwork. These women, at least two, are on very shaky ground. Both look to be either gold diggers or working the system with the use of 'sexual harassment' to get monetary compensation. Furthermore, these women accepted cash apparently. If they did then case closed. Why after 14 years start talking about it? Were they so scared by the episode that the cash settlement just did not help in that respect. It is a total crock.

Read this article

http://news.yahoo.com/ap-exclusive-a...080946066.html

Apparently she can't remember anything either but will jump the bandwagon.

Cain....guilty until proven innocent.

[Gerald]

Cain was in love and wanted a lie, and she does not bang on it.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

The crap is coming out of the woodwork.

Stephen Colbert the other night - "..and I believe his woodwork coming out is one of the things he's being accused of"

[geetrue]

Cain is a hard person to read ... he is either good or evil

His forehead looks like he is hiding something that blinds his eyes

spells two faced to me

Can you imagine two black men running for the same office and one of them has something to hide?

but which one is it?

lol

[CaptainHaplo]

So the first accuse has some "financial" issues, the second public accuser filed another complaint 3 years later at another job demanding a 12-16k raise, the ability to work from home, and a year fellowship at harvard - all on the company dime - for something she now says was a "minor" concern about an email that she later dropped. Can anyone say golddiggers?

[August]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

So the first accuse has some "financial" issues, the second public accuser filed another complaint 3 years later at another job demanding a 12-16k raise, the ability to work from home, and a year fellowship at harvard - all on the company dime - for something she now says was a "minor" concern about an email that she later dropped. Can anyone say golddiggers?

Yeah but only if Herman Cain was a democrat. Otherwise Pravda means Truth.

[vienna]

In all the discussions, the fault for Cain's troubles has been laid at the "liberal media", or the "Democrat Machine", or some other non-GOP source. But, consider this: thus far all the accusers have been noted as registered Republicans and/or Tea Party members. Does it not seem possible Cain may be being attacked by perhaps an organized effort within the GOP, quite possibly by the GOP leadership or establishment? Given what the early on press about Cain described, the entrenched GOP establishment may have more to be concerned about if Cain were to lead a GOP ticket in 2012 than the Democrats (who I beleive would welcome a an opponent like Cain) or the "liberal media" (who would have a feast with Cain in office). He may, in fact, be experiencing sabotage from within...

[Tchocky]

I strongly doubt that this is in any way organised from within the GOP. The reason that the other candidated were being so laid-back and not laying into Cain for this kind of thing is because they do not, have not, and will not consider him to be a credible front-runner.

Speaking as a disciplined lefty, whose fear of conservative, articulate minority politicians KNOWS NO BOUNDS, I'm glad he's having trouble.

[CaptainHaplo]

Its not a right wing conspiracy. Gloria Alred? The first public accuser is the neighbor of a major dem activist that put her in touch with Gloria. The second person is working in government - and what administration is in power?

This is a leftist character assassination attempt - and its blowing up in their face with the more details that emerge about the accusers. Financial troubles, history of complaints with outsized demands, and none of this was around in 2004 when Cain ran for the senate... .yea ok.

@TCHOCKY - why does your fear of an articulate, conservative minory know no bounds?

[mookiemookie]

My theory is that since Cain was emerging as the spoiler to Rove's chosen candidate, Mitt Romney, Rove leaked the info on the sexual harassment case settlements to Politico.

You know the funny thing about some of these righties? They bang the "personal responsibility" drum and then, when they're caught doing something wrong, all of a sudden the persecution complex kicks in and everything's someone else's fault. Look stupid in an interview? Oh it's the "gotcha media." Their candidate gets his butt kicked? Gotta be voter fraud or white guilt. Sexual harassment suit settlements in someone's past? Oh, attack the victims and call it a left wing conspiracy. It's like watching some bizarre psychological experiment, seeing the mental gymnastics involved in twisting the obvious explanation (Perry or Romney campaigns) into a left wing conspiracy to "keep the black man down."

Some people will actually defend Cain's idea that Planned Parenthood exists solely to kill black babies, but they think the idea that he made some lecherous passes at women is just too far fetched.