New Civilization 5 trailer/interviews - Page 6

mookiemookie · 10-13-10, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

I am very happy they are toning down the Trading Post priority and allowing you to tell workers not to change anything. You put a few workers on Auto and all you can see is trading posts as far as the eye can see.

That strategy can actually work, seeing as how powerful the food bonus for having maritime city states as allies is. You don't need farms at all if you get 3 or 4 maritime allies at once.

Platapus · 10-13-10, 07:57 PM

good point. No matter what strategy I use, patronage seems to be the best social program there is.

I did not know you can practically eliminate farms if you have maritime allies. Can you do this with only one maritime ally or is there a minimum number?

I like having militaristic allies give me units (usually crap) and then I turn around and gift that unit to a cultural ally. Sweet

Do you guys think that CIV5 will have the re-playability that CIV4BTS had? I have played 15-20 games so far and I don't know if it will have the same staying power at my CIV4BTS.

mookiemookie · 10-13-10, 09:56 PM

Maritime allies give you +2 food in your capital and +1 food in each one of your other cities. This stacks as well, so having 2 maritime allies means +4 food in your capital and +2 in every other city, and so on. So making one maritime ally is like getting a free granary in your capital. Having two is like a free granary and water mill in your capital and a granary in every other city. If you build up enough maritime allies, you can completely skip things like building a granary or water mill, or even building farms. Your cities will grow like crazy due to the natural food production of worked tiles, plus the boost that the allies give you.

I find the military city states are kind of meh. Sometimes you get decent units, but most of the time they're outdated. And unless you're in a war with someone, they're just soaking up gold with maintenance costs anyways. I'd much rather have the food bonus. I guess you have the right idea - gift them to other city states.

Using Alexander, enacting all of the Patronage civics, paying off all of the maritime city states you can find and then spamming trade posts will make you pretty much an unstoppable juggernaut. It's just obnoxiously overpowered and I expect them to fix it in some future patch.

JScones · 10-14-10, 01:33 AM

I just had a diplomatic victory, but didn't get the achievement.

I was playing as Australia, so I guess mods don't trigger achievements?

Platapus · 10-14-10, 06:50 PM

I was not aware that there were any mods for it. That was quick as the game only just came out.

JScones · 10-14-10, 07:02 PM

There's over 300 odd (at least as of a day or two ago). I'm running two, LOL.

Platapus · 10-16-10, 10:23 AM

Question about the game. What exactly does a Pact of Cooperation do in game terms?

Arclight · 10-16-10, 11:10 AM

What, the answer isn't in the Civilopedia?

Think it just makes the AI more cooperative/less likely to try to kill you. Might play a part in diplomatic victory (more likely to vote for you).

Platapus · 10-16-10, 11:31 AM

Well actually it is not addressed in the ingame help file. If it were, I would not have asked the question here.

I too can guess at what a pact of cooperation means, but I would really like to know, from a game mechanics point of view, exactly what it does and does not change.

Arclight · 10-16-10, 11:55 AM

First part was sarcasm; Civilopedia is bloody useless.

And that really is all it does. It improves relations with that leader; get better deals, not as likely to kill you and more likely to vote for you.

Platapus · 10-16-10, 12:30 PM

I don't know if I would go that far. Civilopedia has some good information concerning units and buildings. True there are some omissions and incompleteness, but I would not say it was "worthless".

On many of the CIV 5 forums, the same question is being asked. Some have opined that PoC only affect the AI's behaviour and has zero impact on the Human player as the human is free to make any decision they like.

I would just like to know. It makes it difficult to make a decision to accept/offer a PoC if I don't know exactly what it does/does not do or influence.

Arclight · 10-16-10, 08:40 PM

How about unit and tile improvement maintenance cost? Biggest drain on your gold, not a word of explanation. Usually what I read in the Civilopedia is just a repeat of what appears in the tooltips.

I dunno, every time I try to find info in it I am disappointed and end up using google.

Oberon · 10-23-10, 05:49 PM

http://www.coolshop.co.uk/catalog/pr...--for-download

UK only though

Raptor1 · 10-23-10, 05:50 PM

That seems rather fishy...

Oberon · 10-24-10, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Raptor1

That seems rather fishy...

Typo I think, it'll be interesting to see how this one follows through, either they'll have to honour their price of £2.35 and give the game to those who ordered it at that price, or apologise and refund £2.35.

It's been taken down now, typically since I was ready to order it...however, it is probable that Civ V wouldn't run on this machine anyway, so no great loss, I still have Civ IV and BTS so I'm happy.

10-13-10, 07:57 PM	#77
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,391 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	good point. No matter what strategy I use, patronage seems to be the best social program there is. I did not know you can practically eliminate farms if you have maritime allies. Can you do this with only one maritime ally or is there a minimum number? I like having militaristic allies give me units (usually crap) and then I turn around and gift that unit to a cultural ally. Sweet Do you guys think that CIV5 will have the re-playability that CIV4BTS had? I have played 15-20 games so far and I don't know if it will have the same staying power at my CIV4BTS. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

10-13-10, 09:56 PM	#78
mookiemookie Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 9,404 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 1	Maritime allies give you +2 food in your capital and +1 food in each one of your other cities. This stacks as well, so having 2 maritime allies means +4 food in your capital and +2 in every other city, and so on. So making one maritime ally is like getting a free granary in your capital. Having two is like a free granary and water mill in your capital and a granary in every other city. If you build up enough maritime allies, you can completely skip things like building a granary or water mill, or even building farms. Your cities will grow like crazy due to the natural food production of worked tiles, plus the boost that the allies give you. I find the military city states are kind of meh. Sometimes you get decent units, but most of the time they're outdated. And unless you're in a war with someone, they're just soaking up gold with maintenance costs anyways. I'd much rather have the food bonus. I guess you have the right idea - gift them to other city states. Using Alexander, enacting all of the Patronage civics, paying off all of the maritime city states you can find and then spamming trade posts will make you pretty much an unstoppable juggernaut. It's just obnoxiously overpowered and I expect them to fix it in some future patch. __________________ They don’t think it be like it is, but it do. Want more U-boat Kaleun portraits for your SH3 Commander Profiles? Download the SH3 Commander Portrait Pack here.

10-14-10, 06:50 PM	#80
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,391 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	I was not aware that there were any mods for it. That was quick as the game only just came out. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

10-16-10, 10:23 AM	#82
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,391 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Question about the game. What exactly does a Pact of Cooperation do in game terms? __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

10-16-10, 11:10 AM	#83
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	What, the answer isn't in the Civilopedia? Think it just makes the AI more cooperative/less likely to try to kill you. Might play a part in diplomatic victory (more likely to vote for you). __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

10-14-10, 01:33 AM	#79
JScones Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,501 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	I just had a diplomatic victory, but didn't get the achievement. I was playing as Australia, so I guess mods don't trigger achievements?

10-14-10, 07:02 PM	#81
JScones Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,501 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	There's over 300 odd (at least as of a day or two ago). I'm running two, LOL.

10-16-10, 11:31 AM	#84
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,391 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Well actually it is not addressed in the ingame help file. If it were, I would not have asked the question here. I too can guess at what a pact of cooperation means, but I would really like to know, from a game mechanics point of view, exactly what it does and does not change. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

10-16-10, 11:55 AM	#85
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	First part was sarcasm; Civilopedia is bloody useless. And that really is all it does. It improves relations with that leader; get better deals, not as likely to kill you and more likely to vote for you. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

10-16-10, 12:30 PM	#86
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,391 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	I don't know if I would go that far. Civilopedia has some good information concerning units and buildings. True there are some omissions and incompleteness, but I would not say it was "worthless". On many of the CIV 5 forums, the same question is being asked. Some have opined that PoC only affect the AI's behaviour and has zero impact on the Human player as the human is free to make any decision they like. I would just like to know. It makes it difficult to make a decision to accept/offer a PoC if I don't know exactly what it does/does not do or influence. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

10-16-10, 08:40 PM	#87
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	How about unit and tile improvement maintenance cost? Biggest drain on your gold, not a word of explanation. Usually what I read in the Civilopedia is just a repeat of what appears in the tooltips. I dunno, every time I try to find info in it I am disappointed and end up using google. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

10-23-10, 05:49 PM	#88
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	http://www.coolshop.co.uk/catalog/pr...--for-download UK only though

10-23-10, 05:50 PM	#89
Raptor1 Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Stavka Posts: 8,211 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	That seems rather fishy... __________________ Current Eastern Front status: Probable Victory