How well liked are modding among UBI/developers? - Page 6

JU_88 · 01-05-10, 03:07 PM

@ Scones, naturally we proabably do have different expectations,

The way I see it - most PC games are a tad buggy on release and have to be patched later, SH3 & 4 is no different.
I play red Alert 3 which is on patch 1.12... Yes twelve! but that is an RTS and most of the fixes are for balance issues and exploits.

If I complain about SH3 & 4, then Im gonna complain about every other PC game I purchase.
BTW If you think the SH series is bad bugwise - You should check out ArmA.

The thing is this, I accept bugs are more likely frequent games like Arma and SH, where you have a free/dynamic/sandbox type enviroment. because its not possible to test every possibility in the space of a few months.

FPS Games like Call of Duty or Driving games tend to be more solid (since they are very linier), so I expect to encounter fewer bugs in those titles as they are much easier to QA.

Going aback to SH3 & 4, I dont really remember expericening any seriously game breaking bugs - just minor anoyances . Maybe I got lucky? Or maybe my tolerence levels are higher than some.

Who knows....

But yeah bugs & patches are apart of PC gaming, You either accept it to a degree -or buy an Xbox I guess.

Arclight · 01-05-10, 03:13 PM

Nowadays bugs and patches are as much a problem for PS and XBOX as they are for PC.

JU_88 · 01-05-10, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Arclight

Nowadays bugs and patches are as much a problem for PS and XBOX as they are for PC.

As games become ever more complicated, it is no surprise.
Plus with rising development costs, the situation will probably get worse - not better.
but so long as developers continue to patch - i dont see the problem.
Most software gets fixes and updates anyway, thats just the nature of the beast.

Arclight · 01-05-10, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JU_88

As games become ever more complicated, it is no surprise.
Plus with rising development costs, the situation will probably get worse - not better.
but so long as developers continue to patch - i dont see the problem.
Most software gets fixes and updates anyway, thats just the nature of the beast.

I think that's exactly the reason why console games now need patches as well; development is becoming ever more expensive and complex, making time more and more precious.

On the plus side, publishers/developers seem to have noticed the trend; a lot of titles get delayed for some extra polish.

And indeed, as long as the support is there, I have no problem with patching.

JScones · 01-05-10, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JU_88

You either accept it to a degree -or buy an Xbox I guess.

I actually did that, just over a year ago. Instantly became addicted to Fable II, COD4:MW and COD:WAW. Since then I've bought about 12 XBOX games and 0 PC games; SH5 will be the first PC game I've bought since buying an XBOX.

It's now that if I see a game I like, and it exists on both PC and XBOX, I'll take the XBOX version every time. It's just (for me) the less hassle option, what with patches being automatically applied, no need to worry about system specs, Vista UAC, and so on.

Multiplayer seems much more robust (at least in the games I've played), with none of the connectivity issues that seem to plague some PC games. Of course, I suck at MP (by the time I've seen someone to shoot they've already blasted me into submission), but still, it's fun...

karamazovnew · 01-11-10, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JScones

Vista UAC

Just open the Local Security Policy and rename the admin account and enable it. If you then delete your current account and only use the admin one, you'll never run into trouble again. That's because the admin account is the only real admin account. The rest of the administrator group is just for show. I think the term is "elevated status" but... I'm not an IT guy so I can't go into any details.

I usually borrow an XBOX from a friend when there's a new game not available for PC (Assassin's Creed 2 for ex). However, I hate the gamepad. I always mistake the trigger for the button LB, LT, RB, RT, LS, RS

WarlordATF · 01-12-10, 02:07 AM

I'll buy Sh5, but i will wait a few weeks to see what issues are discovered and what the modders think can be fixed. It looks pretty decent from what i have seen but i really doubt it will replace SH4 on my HD because i prefer the US Fleetboats. That said, I'll buy it just to support the Silent Hunter series so that the suits realize this franchise has a future and hopefully we will see another pacific title in the series.

As to modding, IMO they would be foolish to stop modding. I used to love Falcon 4.0, until Lead Pursuit released Allied Force and tried to stop the community from modding it. LP was a modding group who got the support to release their modded version as an actual product, but then they didn't want anyone messing with their "Masterpiece" without their approval. Alot of fans felt this was rather hypocritical and it ended up costing them some sales. I went back to original F4 for awhile and then i got bored and pretty much stop playing it altogether.

I have owned all the Silent Hunter games and mods have been a major part of my enjoyment of the series. If modding was stopped, i'd stick with the older titles until something else interested me and i would not buy any future titles. Yes i can hold a major grudge, I have only bought used EA games since they killed Motorcity online (a racing MMO) less than a year after its release. I know i am one of the few who would react like this, but why would i continue to help fund any company who mistreated its consumers?

I don't expect everything to be perfect, patches and expansions are a fact of life in PC gaming. However releasing a bugged product and preventing the fans from fixing it is unforgivable IMO. I am glad i came into SH4 a little late, because the whole buy the expansion or no version 1.5 for you would have probably soured me on ubisoft, but i'll give them the chance to show that they have learned from the past before i'll pass judgement.

Sgtmonkeynads · 01-12-10, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by WarlordATF

However releasing a bugged product and preventing the fans from fixing it is unforgivable IMO. .

Especially when the companies state they have no desire to fix or patch the product until a latter date that never comes.

OH... I forgot to add, when the time does come, it is a "DLC" or expansion pack that is just a buggy or broken.

01-05-10, 03:07 PM	#76
JU_88 Silent Hunter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK Posts: 3,803 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	@ Scones, naturally we proabably do have different expectations, The way I see it - most PC games are a tad buggy on release and have to be patched later, SH3 & 4 is no different. I play red Alert 3 which is on patch 1.12... Yes twelve! but that is an RTS and most of the fixes are for balance issues and exploits. If I complain about SH3 & 4, then Im gonna complain about every other PC game I purchase. BTW If you think the SH series is bad bugwise - You should check out ArmA. The thing is this, I accept bugs are more likely frequent games like Arma and SH, where you have a free/dynamic/sandbox type enviroment. because its not possible to test every possibility in the space of a few months. FPS Games like Call of Duty or Driving games tend to be more solid (since they are very linier), so I expect to encounter fewer bugs in those titles as they are much easier to QA. Going aback to SH3 & 4, I dont really remember expericening any seriously game breaking bugs - just minor anoyances . Maybe I got lucky? Or maybe my tolerence levels are higher than some. Who knows.... But yeah bugs & patches are apart of PC gaming, You either accept it to a degree -or buy an Xbox I guess. Last edited by JU_88; 01-05-10 at 03:32 PM.

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Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	Nowadays bugs and patches are as much a problem for PS and XBOX as they are for PC. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

01-12-10, 02:07 AM	#82
WarlordATF Frogman Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: SW Florida Posts: 288 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 0	I'll buy Sh5, but i will wait a few weeks to see what issues are discovered and what the modders think can be fixed. It looks pretty decent from what i have seen but i really doubt it will replace SH4 on my HD because i prefer the US Fleetboats. That said, I'll buy it just to support the Silent Hunter series so that the suits realize this franchise has a future and hopefully we will see another pacific title in the series. As to modding, IMO they would be foolish to stop modding. I used to love Falcon 4.0, until Lead Pursuit released Allied Force and tried to stop the community from modding it. LP was a modding group who got the support to release their modded version as an actual product, but then they didn't want anyone messing with their "Masterpiece" without their approval. Alot of fans felt this was rather hypocritical and it ended up costing them some sales. I went back to original F4 for awhile and then i got bored and pretty much stop playing it altogether. I have owned all the Silent Hunter games and mods have been a major part of my enjoyment of the series. If modding was stopped, i'd stick with the older titles until something else interested me and i would not buy any future titles. Yes i can hold a major grudge, I have only bought used EA games since they killed Motorcity online (a racing MMO) less than a year after its release. I know i am one of the few who would react like this, but why would i continue to help fund any company who mistreated its consumers? I don't expect everything to be perfect, patches and expansions are a fact of life in PC gaming. However releasing a bugged product and preventing the fans from fixing it is unforgivable IMO. I am glad i came into SH4 a little late, because the whole buy the expansion or no version 1.5 for you would have probably soured me on ubisoft, but i'll give them the chance to show that they have learned from the past before i'll pass judgement.