GUPPY WIP - Page 6

keltos01 · 08-07-09, 01:57 AM

chinese saying : "if you can't make them, copy them" !

keltos

denis_469 · 08-07-09, 02:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keltos01

I was in Brest at the Navy Museum last week looking at a german midget sub when I noticed this on the information pannel about the sub :

in the foreground, the midget and in the background ???

A french GUPPY ?

keltos

Answer about "S-622" - it's former german submarine "U-5107". "U-5107" was scuttle in Dunkerqe 29.04.1945. Raised, repair and complete for french navy as "S-622".

FADM Gryphon · 08-08-09, 02:27 PM

If it is a french guppy does that mean they removed the torpedoes...

keltos01 · 08-14-09, 04:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FADM Gryphon

If it is a french guppy does that mean they removed the torpedoes...

keltos01 · 08-14-09, 04:42 AM

Bass (SSK-2) & Bonita (SSK-3) at Pearl Harbor, early 1950's.

Bonita (SSK-3), at Pearl Harbor, 1956.

Postwar Diesel Submarines Navy pictures :

http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08idx.htm

keltos

Sledgehammer427 · 04-10-10, 06:38 PM

it lives!!!

mostly.

I'm re-starting work on the GUPPY everyone!

as a revision, I'm going to make every tower available, and I will put a texture back on the hull

work work work!

Sledgehammer427 · 04-11-10, 04:40 PM

a blueprints-correct GUPPYII/Fleet Snorkel tower. before you say the hatch is on the wrong side, when it imports into S3D and everythings inverted in that way, everything on the left is now on the right, so on. GUPPY III tower is started, pics to come!

I will also install the bubble windscreen once I figure out how to make glass...

Silverwolf · 04-11-10, 05:13 PM

Sledge if you want glass you can take the texture from either the Kraken or Shark Class sub in their conning tower .dat file. It's called glass2.dds. It is a bit dark and I forget exactly how to edit it but it's still makes good glass. I'll look into how to make it lighter.

Sledgehammer427 · 04-11-10, 10:49 PM

I thought I'd seen everything....

I tried something different with the texture..it still didn't work but ZOMG THE TOWER IS FLOATING AWAY!!!

edit... a black spot has appeared in my edit...
also, SW I tried adding your glass and it works kinda, I can't see anything through it...so it makes a better door than a window...

keltos01 · 04-12-10, 04:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sledgehammer427

, I can't see anything through it...so it makes a better door than a window...

keltos01 · 04-12-10, 05:10 AM

found her :

http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Image...s_sidescan.jpg

keltos

keltos01 · 04-12-10, 07:27 AM

new AO map done for both tower and hull,

new models with uv1 and uv2 done too for both tower and hull,

shipped your way SH427 !

keltos

Jan Kyster · 04-12-10, 08:42 AM

A quick scan through the books and found these guppies...

Uploaded full-size here (7.65MB): http://www.mediafire.com/file/tzzznmlbm2x/Guppy.zip

Sledgehammer427 · 04-12-10, 08:54 AM

@Jan
Very cool, more reference pictures!

ADDENDUM (I like this word)
I noticed something in the pictures you sent me Jan. If you remember a while back on the Narwhal thread when there was that big discussion on different early war tower variations and there was mention of the USS Triggerfish having her decks drilled to allow the air to escape the superstructure better? Look on page 2 and tell me what you see there on the rounded bow of the Angler

another thing I noticed, the bulge mentioned in the GUPPY IIA conversion on page 1 isn't for covering up an exhaust port as said, My Gato model has that too and it's for the emergency marker buoy. it was welded shut during wartime and probably just as well after GUPPY conversion (it was done in wartime after a harrowing experience when a depthcharge knocked one loose and the buoy shot up to the surface where the Japanese destroyer used it as a beacon to lay relatively accurate patterns on the poor boat, of course, it then snapped off, while the boat escaped and listened to the destroyer continue to hound the poor buoy)
in conclusion, if they wanted to cover up an exhaust all they woulda had to do was weld a plate over the hole.

@Keltos
I have this interest in analyzing images like that, before I saw the link I can swear I'm looking at a U boat...it must have hit the bottom pretty hard, judging by the debris and the fact it's partially buried. but do I see a fore and aft gun placement?

no wait it's a type IX. I see those external torpedo storage bulges on the stern deck. that would explain the other gun on the deck, prolly a heavy flak gun.

hmmmmm

OH
and many thanks for fixing all my mistakes.

perhaps I should just stick to building things.

keltos01 · 04-12-10, 10:26 AM

I know it says U166 but the shade sure as heck looked like a Guppy tower !

keltos

08-07-09, 01:57 AM	#76
keltos01 Silent Hunter Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Milan Italy Posts: 4,999 Downloads: 114 Uploads: 18	chinese saying : "if you can't make them, copy them" ! keltos __________________ "Honorable Builder of Sinking Ships"

08-08-09, 02:27 PM	#78
FADM Gryphon Lieutenant Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Tacoma,Wa Posts: 253 Downloads: 97 Uploads: 1	If it is a french guppy does that mean they removed the torpedoes... __________________ Home of the Unorthodox Naval Shipyard

08-14-09, 04:42 AM	#80
keltos01 Silent Hunter Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Milan Italy Posts: 4,999 Downloads: 114 Uploads: 18	Postwar Diesel Submarines Bass (SSK-2) & Bonita (SSK-3) at Pearl Harbor, early 1950's. Bonita (SSK-3), at Pearl Harbor, 1956. Postwar Diesel Submarines Navy pictures : http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08idx.htm keltos __________________ "Honorable Builder of Sinking Ships"

04-10-10, 06:38 PM	#81
Sledgehammer427 PacWagon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Drinking coffee and staring at trees in Massachusetts Posts: 2,908 Downloads: 287 Uploads: 0	it lives!!! mostly. I'm re-starting work on the GUPPY everyone! as a revision, I'm going to make every tower available, and I will put a texture back on the hull work work work! __________________ Cold Waters Voice Crew - Fire Control Officer Cmdr O. Myers - C/O USS Nautilus (SS-168) 114,000 tons sunk - 4 Spec Ops completed V-boat Nutcase - Need supplies? Japanese garrison on a small island in the way? Just give us a call! D4C!

04-11-10, 04:40 PM	#82
Sledgehammer427 PacWagon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Drinking coffee and staring at trees in Massachusetts Posts: 2,908 Downloads: 287 Uploads: 0	a blueprints-correct GUPPYII/Fleet Snorkel tower. before you say the hatch is on the wrong side, when it imports into S3D and everythings inverted in that way, everything on the left is now on the right, so on. GUPPY III tower is started, pics to come! I will also install the bubble windscreen once I figure out how to make glass... __________________ Cold Waters Voice Crew - Fire Control Officer Cmdr O. Myers - C/O USS Nautilus (SS-168) 114,000 tons sunk - 4 Spec Ops completed V-boat Nutcase - Need supplies? Japanese garrison on a small island in the way? Just give us a call! D4C!

04-11-10, 05:13 PM	#83
Silverwolf Officer Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 241 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	Sledge if you want glass you can take the texture from either the Kraken or Shark Class sub in their conning tower .dat file. It's called glass2.dds. It is a bit dark and I forget exactly how to edit it but it's still makes good glass. I'll look into how to make it lighter. __________________ GameFront page: http://www.gamefront.com/files/user/Silverwolf996

04-11-10, 10:49 PM	#84
Sledgehammer427 PacWagon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Drinking coffee and staring at trees in Massachusetts Posts: 2,908 Downloads: 287 Uploads: 0	I thought I'd seen everything.... I tried something different with the texture..it still didn't work but ZOMG THE TOWER IS FLOATING AWAY!!! edit... a black spot has appeared in my edit... also, SW I tried adding your glass and it works kinda, I can't see anything through it...so it makes a better door than a window... __________________ Cold Waters Voice Crew - Fire Control Officer Cmdr O. Myers - C/O USS Nautilus (SS-168) 114,000 tons sunk - 4 Spec Ops completed V-boat Nutcase - Need supplies? Japanese garrison on a small island in the way? Just give us a call! D4C! Last edited by Sledgehammer427; 04-11-10 at 11:31 PM.

04-12-10, 05:10 AM	#86
keltos01 Silent Hunter Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Milan Italy Posts: 4,999 Downloads: 114 Uploads: 18	found her : http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Image...s_sidescan.jpg keltos __________________ "Honorable Builder of Sinking Ships"

04-12-10, 07:27 AM	#87
keltos01 Silent Hunter Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Milan Italy Posts: 4,999 Downloads: 114 Uploads: 18	new AO map done for both tower and hull, new models with uv1 and uv2 done too for both tower and hull, shipped your way SH427 ! keltos __________________ "Honorable Builder of Sinking Ships"

04-12-10, 08:42 AM	#88
Jan Kyster Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,151 Downloads: 152 Uploads: 0	A quick scan through the books and found these guppies... Uploaded full-size here (7.65MB): http://www.mediafire.com/file/tzzznmlbm2x/Guppy.zip

04-12-10, 08:54 AM	#89
Sledgehammer427 PacWagon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Drinking coffee and staring at trees in Massachusetts Posts: 2,908 Downloads: 287 Uploads: 0	@Jan Very cool, more reference pictures! ADDENDUM (I like this word) I noticed something in the pictures you sent me Jan. If you remember a while back on the Narwhal thread when there was that big discussion on different early war tower variations and there was mention of the USS Triggerfish having her decks drilled to allow the air to escape the superstructure better? Look on page 2 and tell me what you see there on the rounded bow of the Angler another thing I noticed, the bulge mentioned in the GUPPY IIA conversion on page 1 isn't for covering up an exhaust port as said, My Gato model has that too and it's for the emergency marker buoy. it was welded shut during wartime and probably just as well after GUPPY conversion (it was done in wartime after a harrowing experience when a depthcharge knocked one loose and the buoy shot up to the surface where the Japanese destroyer used it as a beacon to lay relatively accurate patterns on the poor boat, of course, it then snapped off, while the boat escaped and listened to the destroyer continue to hound the poor buoy) in conclusion, if they wanted to cover up an exhaust all they woulda had to do was weld a plate over the hole. @Keltos I have this interest in analyzing images like that, before I saw the link I can swear I'm looking at a U boat...it must have hit the bottom pretty hard, judging by the debris and the fact it's partially buried. but do I see a fore and aft gun placement? no wait it's a type IX. I see those external torpedo storage bulges on the stern deck. that would explain the other gun on the deck, prolly a heavy flak gun. hmmmmm OH and many thanks for fixing all my mistakes. perhaps I should just stick to building things. __________________ Cold Waters Voice Crew - Fire Control Officer Cmdr O. Myers - C/O USS Nautilus (SS-168) 114,000 tons sunk - 4 Spec Ops completed V-boat Nutcase - Need supplies? Japanese garrison on a small island in the way? Just give us a call! D4C! Last edited by Sledgehammer427; 04-12-10 at 09:12 AM.

04-12-10, 10:26 AM	#90
keltos01 Silent Hunter Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Milan Italy Posts: 4,999 Downloads: 114 Uploads: 18	I know it says U166 but the shade sure as heck looked like a Guppy tower ! keltos __________________ "Honorable Builder of Sinking Ships"