News from Gaza, well, not exactly... LOL

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[Dowly]

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Oww, and the Gaza thing sucks too. :hmm:

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by Dowly

O-M-G... it is the SubSim God!




Oww, and the Gaza thing sucks too. :hmm:

:rotfl:

And yes it does.

[baggygreen]

Originally Posted by Dowly

O-M-G... it is the SubSim God!




Oww, and the Gaza thing sucks too. :hmm:

that is awesome!

Ok I apologize to Skybird, I'm sure he is not a nazi. However there is this grey area about things that can be percieved as hate speech. The laws about these things vary from one country to the other, from what I know Germany these days is pretty strict about fighting racism, hate speech, etc. Well, I don't know this for sure but I hope this is the case.

And back on topic, the strike by Israel on the UN buildin in Gaza was yet another example of not wrecklessness but sheer maliciousness. It was deliberate, they meant to hit that building. Casualties are way over 1000 dead and probably many thousands of wounded in Gaza.

Thomen,

why are you so should I say amazed? I come from Lapland, and the Lapland war was a nasty war that left a deadly legacy in the forests of Lapland. It didn't exactly endear the Lappish people to Germans. If you go around anywhere in Europe and tell you are a German you will get a pretty negative reaction from most. Especially in the east. Does this surprise you somehow?

Oh, and

Originally Posted by Skybird

Note that that Palestinians in the Westbank remain in a surprising relative silence over what is happening in the Gazastrip.

I don't think so. There's been plenty of coverage in the Finnish press about people protesting in the Westbank, for awhile it looked like another full-fledged Intifada. That may come too one of these days.

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

Thomen,

why are you so should I say amazed? I come from Lapland, and the Lapland war was a nasty war that left a deadly legacy in the forests of Lapland. It didn't exactly endear the Lappish people to Germans. If you go around anywhere in Europe and tell you are a German you will get a pretty negative reaction from most. Especially in the east. Does this surprise you somehow?

Did the Germans do anything to you personally? Or is it all based on your Grandfather?
Just curious. Because, if the hatred was passed down to you for 2 generations? You ought to revise your view of the world a bit either way. Nazi Germany does not exists anymore.

I have been in Italy, Holland, Czech Republic, Belgium, England, Ireland, Denmark, France, Austria, Canada and the US. Interestingly, its mostly the younger generation that makes a big stink about WW2. I have personally on multiple occasions seen how seniors, who lived through those times, told the younger ones to (local equivalent for) STFU and grow a brain.

The larger part of my wife's family died in the death camps of the Nazis. As per your view, she should hate the Germans with a vengance. Well, she doesn't. She is married to one. She loves Germany, the people and the culture and wants to move their and live there at some point in the future, as did her mother.

All I am saying is, there no reason to keep the hatred up.

[August]

I'm pretty sure the Vikings terrorized my ancestors. I blame OneToughHerring personally for that!

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by August

I'm pretty sure the Vikings terrorized my ancestors. I blame OneToughHerring personally for that!

And I got called prejudice for calling Billary Clinton and Jessie Jackson crooks and liars.

[Carotio]

Originally Posted by Subsim Admin

Once again, make sure you are discussing the topic, not...
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Does this mean that we should get back to my original post?

Which so to speak was an off-topic report from Gaza, kind of funny, contrary to all the on-topic stories from the current sad situation in Gaza, which we get from the news all the time.
Suddenly, this thread turned into a pro- and counter- thread, but I guess, I should have expected it...

I really wanna know if somebody have read, heard or seen something similar?

[heartc]

Originally Posted by Carotio

I really wanna know if somebody have read, heard or seen something similar?

Yes. I used to know a women from the Ukraine.

[Carotio]

Originally Posted by heartc

Yes. I used to know a women from the Ukraine.

HAHA, yes, very funny.
I meant stories like that from the Middle East region

Originally Posted by Thomen

Did the Germans do anything to you personally? Or is it all based on your Grandfather?
Just curious. Because, if the hatred was passed down to you for 2 generations? You ought to revise your view of the world a bit either way. Nazi Germany does not exists anymore.

I have been in Italy, Holland, Czech Republic, Belgium, England, Ireland, Denmark, France, Austria, Canada and the US. Interestingly, its mostly the younger generation that makes a big stink about WW2. I have personally on multiple occasions seen how seniors, who lived through those times, told the younger ones to (local equivalent for) STFU and grow a brain.

The larger part of my wife's family died in the death camps of the Nazis. As per your view, she should hate the Germans with a vengance. Well, she doesn't. She is married to one. She loves Germany, the people and the culture and wants to move their and live there at some point in the future, as did her mother.

All I am saying is, there no reason to keep the hatred up.

Well tell me, what is similar to present day Germany and nazi-Germany? How much do things really change for one nation? How much is really different and how much is still fundamentally the same? Looking at what Nato is doing around the planet, how is that different from, say, the Kristallnacht?

It's interesting you mention Holland because that is one of the nations where Germans still get a pretty cold reception. Maybe not individual people who don't make a big fuss about being Germans but break out the German flag and you'll get a pretty negative reaction. And this from a pretty civilised western nation, in the east it's worse.

As for keeping hatred up, it's not the hatred or the anger that kills. It's the laughter. I can't take credit for this myself, I'm parapharising Nietzche. That's what's going on in USA, those 18, 19 - year olds sent to Iraq and Afghanistan, made to kill people or be killed. It takes a lot humour and laughter to make things ok in their heads. So lets all laugh it up, joke-boys.

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

Well tell me, what is similar to present day Germany and nazi-Germany? How much do things really change for one nation? How much is really different and how much is still fundamentally the same?

Lets see.. the spoken and written language is (mostly) the same. We still have the Autobahn.

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

It's interesting you mention Holland because that is one of the nations where Germans still get a pretty cold reception. Maybe not individual people who don't make a big fuss about being Germans but break out the German flag and you'll get a pretty negative reaction. And this from a pretty civilised western nation, in the east it's worse.

That is not really limited to Germany. All citizens of almost any country are very protective of their 'turf'. Parading around with an 'in your face' attitude generally tends to create some upheaval, regardless where you come from and where you do it.
When you are a guest in a country, you are expected to behave accordingly.

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

Looking at what Nato is doing around the planet, how is that different from, say, the Kristallnacht?

Now, that is apples and oranges.

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

As for keeping hatred up, it's not the hatred or the anger that kills. It's the laughter. I can't take credit for this myself, I'm parapharising Nietzche.

Ignorance kills.. laughing is good for you (most of the time).

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

That's what's going on in USA, those 18, 19 - year olds sent to Iraq and Afghanistan, made to kill people or be killed.
It takes a lot humour and laughter to make things ok in their heads. So lets all laugh it up, joke-boys.

Well, what are you going to do when you are thrown into a huge pile o'dung? Complain and throw a hissy fit? I'd rather take it with a grain of humor, especially when I really can't change a situation.

[asanovic7]

Every time I say something someone atacks me for making another flamatory thread..


LOOK AT THIS!
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Couple of guys commenting other religions, couple of guys fighting and commenting things that were like 80 years before, couple of guys just farting..

Second world war, eh?

Let me tell you a story about how it all went in Croatia..
If anyone is interested?

First, this little bs country is here for 1300 years. We were joined to kingdoms of Hungary, later Austria and then Yugoslavia. Few people ever mention when it comes to history Hungarian kings crowned in Croatian capitol because that were joined kingdoms..

Litttle prelude..

Now, 1920s, 30s..

Croatia was part of Kingdom of slovenians, croats and serbs, ofcourse the king was Serbian :rotfl:. That happened because Austria lost the war and Croats s..k when left alone.. :rotfl::rotfl:
As movements against that(serbian expansionism) there were ustashas("nazi") and communists("ruskies"). In fact they worked together hand in hand.
Ofcourse, when WW2 started, and germans took over that piece of s..t of a land, Ustasha regime made something that Croats were waiting for 1000 years, ndh or independent state of Croatia.

Ofcourse, it turned out that was a marionette country, giving half to Italy(and so on, Dalmatia that is called "craddle of Croats"). That ofcourse p..d off many Croats(and the forementioned commies) and many other, so there were partisan movements. In fact in Croatia I think was formed one of the first if not the first resistance armies in europe.
Well, ustashas killed plenty without regret and plenty of people, because of that fought them.

At the end, ofcourse, germans lost, so did ustashas. In fearing of partisans, many civilians fled with ustashas, in fact you had examples where idiots formed hitlerjugend like squadrons and such.
They surrendered to british army, english army as they are, they throwed them back to partisans, who made one of the largest post war massacres in whole europe. In fact, in Dalmatia(as I said a part of Croatia) you have one or two holes in every village.

So, after ww2 new yugoslavia was formed with yet another f..d up regime like the one that was before ww2. Many people were forced to forget ww2, many vanished in yugoslavia, many partisans fought for Croatia, but were silenced, and so on.

Then it came the breakoff of yugoslavia, Croats united and fought against serbian fascism.
But not all, you had events where ww2 parties fought and feared each other even though serbian army was firing on them.
There were ustasha units in croatian army here and there but in time they were disbanded, thrown in jail or even killed(yep!).
After time and many refugees from bosnia, things setlled in..

OR IT SEEMS THAT WAY?

You have ustasha insignia forbidden, but not red star, although crimes were in numbers even heavily on red star side.
You have majority of ruling men leftovers from yugoslavia where they climbed their way by being a good puppet by telling on their friends(they are ustashas and so on). Some crimes were never payed off.. Some people hate this country and want back yugoslavia..
Now there are examples from this new fresh war where crimes are forgiven by the governement.. And so on..
You have older people that would kill each other gladly but they tolerate..

Despite all of that!
The only guys fighting it out, are 15-25 year old. You have ww2 fights in Zagreb between skinheads and punkers.
They don't know s..t, half of them are ubelievably ignorrant but they fight. They are fighting out their families complexes, pains, hurts..
I can only hope time can heal everything..

Now, who could say to me I am ustasha or partisan or whatever?
I wasn't even in God's plans(:rotfl when those things happened..
Those things are long gone..

So, don't call each other nazis, recall ww2 s..t, or whatever, IT IS POINTLESS!!!
What does skibird have to do with adolf hitler?
What does every german today have to do ah?

Shure, we are all different, so are our nations..

Germans are all cocky, full of themselves and watch everyone from their hightower.. :rotfl:
But to call them nazis!?
Fascism, rascism, call them like that, but a ww2 term?

I think of nazi regime as something that happened because of loss of the world war 1, ability of ah to gather the masses, financial crisis(just a little bit of..!?) and one more thing..
Why doesn't anyone explain to me why the nazi regime targeted Jews?
I will say it!
Because all the money was with them.. It was not racial..
The thing is, noone would ever mention ww2 if there haven't been Jewish holocaust..
No matter what were the casualties..
Who mentions ww1? It was similar, yet we always speak of ww2.
We in Croatia had this bloody(twice said!) war 10 years ago, yet we have ww2 issues..
Why?
Because, we are almost nonstop bombarded with that bloody ww2.. On tv, on shows, wherever you watch..

Can someone explain me why?
Everyone payed their cut because of the horrors of ww2, holocaust is marked as on of the greatest tragedies in human history and should be remembered, like Hiroshima, Nagasaki, or even things like Dday landing in Normandy.
But we have holocausts today! Yet, we always speak of ww2. What about african wars, what about this and that? What about gulags, what about all those bloody wars that happened long after ww2?

Before I say this..
I am not antisemit!! I don't have anything against Jews!

But, I have to say I am tired of having Jews, whenever they do something, they silence you up with holocaust and whatever.. They practically conquered north america(movies and such), IN India where swastika is a religious symbol, Indians(?) can't use it because of 5000 Jews. OK, call me ignorant, but in India there is about one billion of people. You change religion of about 700 millions because of ww2? Because some ass..pe in europe used it for his symbol!?
And all that because of holocaust?

Scr..w nazis, scr..w hitler, f..k that bolocks!! What do I have to do with ustashas, partisans, nazis and all that other cr*p?

So, I can say that by doing things like this atacks on muslims, by provocating whole world with their s..t, Israel and Jews are feeding long forgotten antisemitism, yep, who can say for himself he hates Jews, because nazis killed jews as part of their financial plan(it was just that, free labour and stolen property)?
Just a bloody idiot!!
I watch american shows.. Like malcolm in the middle, that family doesn't care about religion and it is fun to watch..
You watch every Jew involved show, I AM MAYBE IDIOT but why is it funny "we Jews, we Jews, we have this funny holliday, I am a Jew, We Jews, Jew, Jew, Jew"!?!?!?
Has anyone noticed that??

When will they understand the rest of the world doesn't hate them? And that most of the people don't care about them being Jews!
And that it is not cool to kill muslims just because europeans feel so scared of holocaust issues that they don't want to react?

As far for the muslims?

What did europeans do to the muslim that they became like that? That would be a right question, I suppose? For all you members of the former 150 year ago UK?
When it came that a muslim radical means suicide bomber??

That's from me..

Cheers!

one edit: Only good show where it is apparently (very much like in other shows) needed to stick someone as a Jew, is South Park!

Originally Posted by Thomen

Ignorance kills.. laughing is good for you (most of the time).

Yea laughing at dead Palestinian kids, or dead kids of any nationality, I'd call that gallows humour, or maybe something worse.

Signing off with this quote:

"To the English I say this: be grateful for the Germans. Were it not for them, you would be the most hated people in Europe."
Simon Munnery, Attention Scum, episode three

asanovic7,

yes I'm aware of the difficult and dark history of your part of the world. The Balkans have been in a pretty difficult place geographically going back to the Roman times. But maybe those difficulties have made the people there all the more stronger. You know, it takes tremendous pressure to make a diamond.